Third Secret of Fatima

It is an excellent excerpt. He saw this coming. No doubt.

 

I know that Taylor Marshall and Gordon what's his name had some questions concerning Malachi Martin. Personally, I find Malachi's prophetic insights and his clarity quite astounding.

 

I agree.

 

Could you share a link for these interviews LK?

 

I don't believe that Fr. Martin read the third secret of Fatima. I'm fairly sure that there are discrepancies between his early and later accounts of how he learned the contents of the secret.

As far as I can recall, his early account was that he learned the contents of the secret from Cardinal Bea. Cardinal Bea had been in the room when the secret was read, was shocked at its contents and the decision to not reveal it and told Fr. Martin about it in the car when they left the Vatican.

In another interview, he related that he went to the Vatican with Cardinal Bea and they both sat on a bench outside the room awaiting the arrival of the Pope. He didn't say that he entered the room with Cardinal Bea,

In the transcript linked in your post, Fr. Martin said that the Cardinal who "showed" him the secret had been present at a meeting with the Pope to outline to a certain number of Cardinals what should be done with the secret. No mention there of Fr. Martin having been in the room when the secret was read. Instead, he implies that a Cardinal had somehow written down or otherwise copied the text and taken it from the room. How else could that Cardinal have shown the text to Fr. Martin? I don't believe that anyone present at that meeting was allowed copy the text. The secret was written in Portuguese. Neither Cardinal Bea nor Fr. Martin spoke Portuguese. For them to have read and understood the secret as written, it would have had to be a translation into a language they understood. I suppose it is possible that the Pope had opened the secret prior to the meeting, had a translation prepared and given each Cardinal a copy of the translation. That would mean that there were as many copies of the translated secret as there were people in the room. Strange, then, that in all the accounts over the years of people who knew someone who knew someone who knew the contents of the secret that those copies of the translation were never mentioned.

I do believe that Cardinal Bea did tell Fr. Martin at least part of the secret and that he swore Fr. Martin to secrecy. Unless the Cardinal had a translated copy and showed it to Fr. Martin, how would Fr. Martin know that the Cardinal had told him all the contents of the secret? I think it possible that what Fr. Martin heard from Cardinal Bea was Our Lady's explanation of the vision but Our Lady told the children not to tell anyone about that so anyone, be they Pope or Cardinal, who reveals it to the public is disobeying Our Lady. Is it possible that those demanding to know "all the secret" are actually urging people to betray the confidence of the Blessed Mother?

 

That was I think three years ago, both let themselves be influenced by false rumours and badmouth than facts. Since then, at least that Gordon did a 180 on the topic and acknowledges that Fr. Malachi Martin was the real deal. I don't think Taylor Marshall ever revisited the topic.

Some of them are on YouTube, others are not. This particular one is not. The tape is called "The Shoes of the Fisherman".

I can probably provide the complete audio file later. It's quite large but definitely worth it.

No, he never implied such thing. He did read the document. Everything he said since then for four decades is consistent with what those who had read the secret said separately throughout that same period of time. Single page, 25 lines. The topics of the secret. Etc...

How do you know that they didn't understand portuguese? I don't know which languages Cardinal Bea knew, or even Fr. Malachi, but at least the latter was a known polyglot.

Also, the pope had with him two portuguese translators to prevent any possible linguistic misinterpretations.

There are no known copies of the secret. There's the secret, which was translated verbally (as far as we know) on the spot. Fr. Malachi Martin was not the only prelate that knew its contents. Other cardinals did as well. In one of his radio interviews in the late 1990s someone claimed to have been told years prior some of the contents of the secret by a cardinal in Australia (if I remember correctly), and the little information he retained was confirmed by Fr. Malachi.

Fr. Malachi Martin never claimed to have been told the secret. He always claimed to have read the secret. The actual letter by Sr. Lucia, to the point of being able to describe particular details of the document that someone who had just been told wouldn't be able to.

The secret was not an explanation of a vision. It was a direct message from Our Lady to the pope of 1960. A message concerning three topics: the papacy, the Church and the world. A message that was meant to be shared with the world.

Because Our Lady's requests weren't heeded, we are now dealing with the unavoidable, drastic consequences of that decision.

No. Those demanding to know the secret are actually being faithful to Our Lady and fighting against the deception from within the Church. That doesn't mean anyone is entitled to reveal its contents just because they read it. The pope must do it. Remember that because the secret was not shared, Our Lady revealed some of its contents at least to the girls at Garabandal and to Sr. Agnes on Akita. If Our Lady didn't want the secret to be known, she wouldn't have done that.

 

I really don't want to get into an argument over this but I can't understand how Fr. Martin can have read the secret unless Cardinal Bea had a copy of it. He said in the interview that the Cardinal who had attended the meeting had shown him the secret. Fr. Martin didn't say that he was at the meeting. Did he ever say that he was actually in the room with the Pope and Cardinals when the secret was read? I don't believe that he did. As far as I can remember the first time I heard about him knowing the contents of the secret, he said that Cardinal Bea had told him in the car (it could have been a taxi) when they left the Vatican. Cardinal Bea told him something to the effect that the decision to to publish the secret would have terrible consequences, resulting in the loss of many lives. That interview was many years ago. I think it was on Irish TV. What he said then sounds more plausible because I don't believe that anyone would have been permitted to copy the secret or remove it from wherever it was stored. Portuguese translators were in the room. Fr. Martin wasn't. Note that in one of the links above, Fr. Martin is quoted as saying that Cardinal Bea emerged from the meeting and said "We've just killed a billion people. Look at this" and he handed Fr. Martin a piece of paper with 26 lines of handwritten text. Do you really believe that Cardinal Bea walked out of that room holding Sr. Lucia's handwritten text? I don't.

That the actual secret was written on a single page has been common knowledge. Didn't a prelate reveal that when he said that he had held the envelope against a light and could see that it was a single sheet of paper?

Fr. Martin did speak many languages. If Portuguese was one of them, he kept it a secret. I'm fairly sure that he had qualifications in Hebrew and Arabic. Other languages that he spoke are mentioned here: https://www.paperbackswap.com/Malachi-Martin/author/
If Cardinal Bea spoke Portuguese that, too, was a well kept secret.

The Vatican published the secret. They had neither an instruction nor permission from Heaven to publish the explanation that Our Lady gave the children. Not having been present at the meeting, and only hearing from Cardinal Bea what had transpired, Fr Martin may not have been aware that what Cardinal Bea had told him included the explanation as well as the description of the vision. If the part about a billion people being killed comes from the explanation, then the Vatican is obliged to refrain from publishing it.

The message was shared with the world albeit rather late.

 

You can't understand, fair enough. But why do you keep referring to copies? Why are you automatically excluding multiple logical situations that would allow Fr. Malachi to have read the document?

Your argument is based on Fr. Malachi not saying wether or not he was in a meeting (which meeting? who said there was only one?) as if absence of evidence is evidence of absence. He didn't say many things, therefore they didn't happen? Must you know all the details of the circumstances? No, he didn't reveal them either. He described the event sometimes casually sometimes in a bit more detail. But not in contradiction.

Not to people who believe in what the Vatican released in 2000, since they are mutually exclusive.

Why? Why are you assuming that unknowns are automatically secrets?

The Vatican didn't publish the secret. They published a document of unknown origins describing a vision, and claimed it was the Third Secret. But that document is not the third secret of Fatima. That can and has been proven many times for decades.

But those premises aren't true, therefore so is the conclusion.

I don't follow that line of reasoning. How is the Vatican inherently obliged to refrain from publishing something because of its contents?

And from what I recall, the context in which Fr. Malachi Martin described that remark from Cardinal Bea is in regards to the consequences of not doing what Our Lady requested.

The message will be shared with the world, albeit rather late.

 

Here's what Fr. Martin told Art Bell in an interview on July 12, 1998:

"It was given to me to read one morning early in 1960".

Asked by Art Bell in what manner he had been shown the secret, Fr. Martin replied:

"The Cardinal who showed it to me had been present at a meeting held by Pope John XX111 in that year, 1960, to outline, to a certain number of Cardinals and prelates what he thought should be done with the secret."

Here's the interview with Art Bell. The question and answer about the manner he had been shown the secret starts at point 1.02:40.



The transcript of the interview is here: https://www.proselitismodellascienz...in-interview-on-the-third-fatima-secret/#8230

He wasn't present at the meeting. He says the secret was shown to him by a Cardinal who had been present at the meeting with the Pope. So, how did the Cardinal get the handwritten text to show it to Fr. Martin?

I don't believe that he read the secret. There is no evidence that he saw the text other than what Fr. Martin said, and Fr. Martin's accounts of how he gained knowledge of the secret have been inconsistent.

You believe what you want. I prefer to not have it on my conscience when I meet the Blessed Mother that I chose to disbelieve two Popes over a priest who didn't mention having seen or heard the contents of the secret until after the death of the only person who could confirm or deny his story. Perhaps Fr. Martin didn't want to put Cardinal Bea in an awkward situation. That's understandable. A cynic might say that the attention he got from claiming to have read the secret can't have harmed his book sales.

All I know for sure is that I don't want to face the Blessed Mother having to explain why I was part of the throngs pressuring the Pope to betray her confidence. Better to be safe than sorry on this.

 

I like Russia, but they can be extraordinarily savage to others and even themselves in times of war.

 

Excellent LusoKnight. Thank you.

edited to add: Are you familiar with Alois Irlmaier’s visions of a war mainly in Europe? When I reread it recently I couldn’t help but think of what St. John Paul II said about the third secret. It seems that Alois saw the Russians using their tsunami bomb which inundates the UK and a part of Ireland with water. Could this be part of the third secret with the other part being the 3 days of darkness which he also spoke of?
Btw, I also believe that MM’s statement about Ukraine and Russia and what we are witnessing now adds to MM’s credibility.

 

Padraig,
The CP, Nate, mentioned how ruthless the Wagner Group is. I posted about them way back now about how many of them are criminals released from prisons. Well, Nate confirmed this and he stated that recently a guy refused to fight with them so they videotaped them hitting him over the head with a sledgehammer as an example to anyone else. Horrific.

 

From where he was. He was Cardinal Bea's secretary. Fr. Malachi didn't secretly learn about the secret. He wasn't given a copy. He was given the actual document to read. He had to formally take a vow beforehand not to reveal its contents as is.

You're free to believe whatever you want. But the evidence speaks for itself, and the more time passes, the further it confirms the truth of Fr. Malachi Martin's knowledge and claims. Besides, this isn't the word of a single priest. But of many priests throughout the years, one of which became and is pope, that are consistent with Fr. Malachi Martin's statements and not with what the Vatican published.

Where is that coming from? How is her confidence being broken if a pope fulfills her request? I'm sorry, but that's a false dilemma.

I personally don't think, if that's going to happen, that it will be the result of man-made devices. But part of the prophesied natural catastrophes that are also included in the secret.

I do think that Russia will eventually move into Europe and act as the prophesied instrument of God's punishment. Punishment against the sins that have infected the west. How and when only God knows.

 

LusoKnight,
The Kennedy Report just did an interview of a guy who says that MM was actually made a Cardinal. I haven’t listened to it yet but I thought that you should know. Thank you for replying and I remember Desmond Birch saying the same thing part man-made and partly from God.

 

Yes. These are very enlightening clarifications. I believe you got your facts right.

Thank you!!!

 

It follows the justice visited upon Israel when it "whored after other gods." Barbaric nations conquered them again and again. Rabbi (messianic) Jonathan Cahn has a book out right now about this. I have heard him being interviewed. I think its called "the Return of the gods" and his premise lines up with Fr Ripperger's observations about our western post Christian culture.

 

Agree

 

As promised, here's the full interview from where I took the quote:

The Shoes of the Fisherman, Part 2 - Into the Darkness (1993)

Indeed, I've listened to it a few days ago. Rob Marro is a great man. He's former CIA and knew Fr. Malachi personally for many years.

That interview is very informative and knowing that he was made a cardinal explains quite a lot in hindsight.

 

Exactly.

Cardinal Ratzinger is on record stating that the Akita message contains the gist of the third secret in slightly different words.

Now, the vision revealed in 2000 is entirely different.

Remember that Malachi Martin was no longer alive, which may be significant.

Now, why did good Cardinal Ratzinger go along with the 2000 alleged revelation and its contrived interpretation if he knew what was being revealed was not the real secret - at least not all of it?

 

I think the answer is what Fr. Malachi had been pointing out from the start. Since V2, there has been an ongoing attack against the papacy, to the point that the pope is basically powerless. Even Benedict XVI admitted that, when he said that his power was limited to the room he was in. He had no power over what happened outside his door. Which is true. Same thing with John Paul II. The papacy is powerless. There's no longer an hierarchy, the power was transferred to the bishops, and each one does his own thing. The pope became one among many. That has been one of the main goals ever since the "smoke of Satan" infiltrated the Church.

EDIT: Regarding the early discussion about Fr. Malachi having read the secret, I just remembered that there were two readings of the secret by pope John XXIII at the time. Which goes to show that there was no lie whatsoever from Fr. Malachi.