The Synod on Synodality.

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  1. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    If nothing happens in October then it is fake.
     
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  2. EricH

    EricH Principalities

    They seems to sensational with specific timeliness mentioned, rhays a huge red flag. I would put 99% bet that they are fake. During this current time there are a ton of false prophets, Luz de maria, gisella cardia,many others, likely this so called anonymous priest. They all sound the same. Blessed Mother also told girls at garabandal there would be an explosion of false apparitions. Little reported detail, but I still have an old garabandal magazine that had that exact quote.
     
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  3. Luan Ribeiro

    Luan Ribeiro Powers

    In my opinion, a clear sign of quackery is when the supposed seer's message presents an ambiguous language, so that the author of the message abuses the use of metaphors to explain prophesied events that did not occur.
     
  4. SteveD

    SteveD Powers

    I would urge you to read the linked article in the National Catholic Register (apologies if already mentioned above) making it clear that the 'fix is in'. And below is a brief (but telling) extract from the article:

    The Cat’s Out of the Bag Now, With the Synod on Synodality| National Catholic Register (ncregister.com)

    The synodal process on synodality for a synodal Church got a bit of a jolt last week when Cardinal Robert McElroy of San Diego let the cat out of the bag, or pulled back the curtain, or simply said aloud what many had suspected was afoot. He argued that the Synod on Synodality was exactly the right time to approve the ordination of women deacons, reconsider the ordination of women priests, set aside St. Paul’s scriptural teaching on not receiving Holy Communion in a state of mortal sin, and, at least for certain favored sexual practices, abandon altogether the challenge of chastity.

    Cardinal McElroy is by far the most intelligent, articulate and well-educated — Stanford, Harvard, Berkeley, Gregorian — of the American cardinals that Pope Francis has created, so people took note.
     
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  5. AED

    AED Powers

    :mad::eek::cry::mad:
    Thanks for the heads up. Sigh.
     
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  6. sparrow

    sparrow Exitus ~ Reditus

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  7. maryrose

    maryrose Powers

    Really worth reading. Yes we must stand with Mary at the foot of the Cross and pray
     
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  8. Luan Ribeiro

    Luan Ribeiro Powers

    Synod council to ask Pope Francis to authorize studies on key synod topics
    BY CINDY WOODEN, CATHOLIC NEWS SERVICE
    • December 12, 2023


    VATICAN CITY -- The council of the Synod of Bishops will ask Pope Francis to authorize studies on the need to update canon law, revise the rules for priestly formation, deepen a theological reflection on the diaconate -- including the possibility of ordaining women deacons -- and consider revising a document that provides norms for the relationship of a bishop with members of religious orders in his diocese.

    "These are matters of great importance, some of which need to be considered at the level of the whole church and in collaboration with the dicasteries of the Roman Curia," said a statement from the Ordinary Council of the General Secretariat of the Synod.

    The council met at the Vatican Dec. 5 to discuss preparations for the second assembly of the synod on synodality, which Pope Francis has said will meet in October 2024. Exact dates have not been set.

    In the statement, published Dec. 12, the council said the list of study topics it will ask the pope to approve was requested by members of the synod assembly in October. As part of the synthesis report of the assembly, each of the requests was approved by more than 80% of the synod members.

    Studying the topics, particularly their theological implications, was seen by synod members as an important part of responding to questions and concerns raised by Catholics in listening sessions prior to the assembly as they sought to discern ways to ensure the gifts and talents of all baptized Catholics were recognized and welcomed.

    "Groups of experts from all continents together with the relevant dicasteries of the Roman Curia and coordinated by the General Secretariat of the Synod will be asked to work in a synodal way on the topics indicated by the Holy Father," the statement said. "A report on the progress of this work will be presented at the second session in October 2024."

    With the synthesis report as "the reference point for the journey of the people of God in the time between the two sessions," it said, dioceses and bishops' conferences around the world are asked to engage in further consultation, specifically looking at ways they could or should institute some of the synod assembly's recommendations for bringing more people together in the evangelizing mission of the church.

    "We are called and sent by the Risen One to proclaim the Gospel to the world today," the council members said. "Growing as a synodal church is a concrete way to respond to this call and this mission."

    While dioceses and national or regional bishops' conferences are not being asked to repeat the listening sessions they carried out from October 2021 to the spring of 2023, they are being asked to gather people to reflect on the synthesis report.

    In particular, the synod council asked them to discuss, "How can we be a synodal church in mission?"

    "The objective of these new reflections is to identify the paths we can follow and the tools we might adopt in our different contexts and circumstances in order to enhance the unique contribution of each baptized person and of each church in the one mission of proclaiming the Risen Lord and his Gospel to the world today," it said.

    The council said it was not looking simply for "technical or procedural improvements to make the church's structures more efficient, but rather an invitation for reflection on the concrete forms of the missionary commitment to which we are called that express the dynamism between unity and diversity proper to a synodal church."

    "What ways of relating, structures, processes of discernment and decision-making with regard to mission make it possible to recognize, shape and promote co-responsibility?" the council asked. "What ministries and participatory bodies can be renewed or introduced to better express this co-responsibility?"

    Acknowledging the limits of time and resources, the council said the consultation they hope for will differ in each diocese.

    "In this stage, in addition to the participatory bodies at diocesan level and the synodal team already established, it will be important to involve people and groups that express a variety of experiences, skills, charisms, ministries within the people of God and whose point of view is of particular help in focusing on the 'how,'" it said. The council suggested particularly parish priests, catechist, leaders of small Christian communities, religious men and women, leaders of Catholics schools, universities and hospitals and theologians and canon lawyers.

    Dioceses are asked to send their reflections to their national bishops' conferences or Eastern Catholic synod of bishops, which are asked to submit a report of no more than eight pages to the synod office in Rome by May 15.

    https://www.catholicregister.org/fa...pope-to-authorize-studies-on-key-synod-topics
     
  9. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    There aren't too many life insurance salesmen calling to Pope Francis, these days, I'd guess. Hopefully, the Sinod shares a similar lifespan.
     
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  10. SteveD

    SteveD Powers

    This is a video about the Synod, its processes and purposes, made by a former Anglican bishop, Gavin Ashenden, who converted to Catholicism (a former chaplain to Queen Elizabeth and a highly educated man). He has also had several dramatic supernatural experiences. He was originally very much on the progressive side of Anglicanism and an LGBTQ etc supporter but became gradually less and less so and finally left Anglicanism because of its intention to bless same-sex 'couples and his belief in Catholic Eucharistic miracles - among other things. He knows all about the politics of synods from his Anglican days and is now a traditional Catholic with a love for Mary and the Rosary. His videos are all well worth watching.

    The Secret Synod succeeds in its Synodal Coup. - YouTube
     
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  11. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    There are few so astute as a (genuinely) reformed sinner. St Paul is the classic example.
     
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  12. Booklady

    Booklady La Dolorosa

    :(:cry:
     
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  13. Luan Ribeiro

    Luan Ribeiro Powers

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    Pope Francis launches study groups to analyze Synod on Synodality's key issues


    [​IMG]Pope Francis at the Synod on Synodality’s closing Mass in St. Peter’s Basilica on Oct. 29, 2023./ Daniel Ibanez/CNA
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    By Courtney Mares

    Rome Newsroom, Feb 17, 2024 / 10:01 am

    The Vatican announced Saturday that Pope Francis has launched synodal study groups to analyze key issues ahead of October’s Synod on Synodality assembly.

    Pope Francis has issued a chirograph asking the Dicasteries of the Roman Curia to collaborate with the General Secretariat of the Synod to establish the study groups for “in-depth analysis” of some of the themes that emerged in the first Synod on Synodality assembly.

    The pope did not specify in the chirograph published on Feb. 17 how many groups will be formed, what topics will be studied, or who will participate in the study groups.

    The synthesis report published at the end of the first synod assembly lists 75 different “matters for consideration,” including women’s access to diaconal ministry, priestly celibacy, and “Eucharistic hospitality” for interfaith couples.
     
  14. Luan Ribeiro

    Luan Ribeiro Powers

    These “matters of consideration,” which could not find a consensus in the first synod assembly, are defined as “points on which we have recognized that it is necessary to continue theological, pastoral, and canonical deepening.”

    In addition, the synthesis report also calls for the establishment of a “special intercontinental commission of theologians and canonists” to examine the definition and conceptual understanding of the “idea and practice of synodality” and its canonical implications, as well as the establishment of a a joint commission of Eastern and Latin theologians, historians and canonists.

    According to Vatican News, the study groups will require a substantial amount of time and will not “directly constitute the material up for discussion in the next session of the Synod, which will focus on synodality itself.”

    The General Secretariat of the Synod, led by Cardinal Mario Grech, will coordinate the work of the study groups among the dicasteries, which will “involve experts from all continents” following a synodal process, the Vatican’s state media outlet said.

    The Vatican also announced on Saturday the dates for the second Synod on Synodality assembly and the appointment of six new consulters to the General Secretariat of the Synod.

    The 16th Ordinary General Assembly of the Synod of Bishops’s second session will take place from Oct. 2 to Oct. 27. The participants in the assembly will arrive in Rome on Sept. 29 to participate in a two-day spiritual retreat ahead of the start of the assembly.




    Among the new synod consulters, Pope Francis chose three female professors.

    Dr. Tricia Bruce, a sociology professor at Maryville College in Tennessee and president-elect of the Association for the Sociology of Religion, and Dr. Maria Clara Lucchetti Bingemer, a theology professor at the Pontifical Catholic University of Rio de Janeiro, are both appointees.

    As is Sister Dr. Birgit Weiler, a German missionary in Peru and theology professor at the Pontifical Catholic University of Peru. Weiler is a member of the Congregation of the Medical Missionary Sisters and has lived in Peru for more than 35 years, where she works with the Episcopal Council of Latin America (CELAM) and the Pan-Amazonian Ecclesial Network (REPAM).

    The other appointees are Monsignor Alphonse Borras, a Belgian canon lawyer and specialist in the theology of the diaconate; Father Gilles Routhier, a professor of religious studies at Laval University in Quebec; and Father Ormond Rush, a theology professor at Australian Catholic University. Rush addressed the first synod assembly in October with a speech that focused on Vatican II’s discussion of tradition as the authority for the Synod on Synodality.

    https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/...ps-to-analyze-synod-on-synodalitys-key-issues
     
  15. Katfalls

    Katfalls Powers

    Did I miss something that was supposed to happen last Oct 13? as stated by Fr Oliviera.
     
  16. Byron

    Byron Powers

    Allegedly he received a message in October. But he says it was a private message not for the public.
     
  17. Luan Ribeiro

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  20. padraig

    padraig Powers

    I think the false Synods were only a vehicle to achieve change. With the pushing forward of same sex blessings I think Papa Frankie shows he wants to go to Warp Speed because he knows he hasn't much time left. The false Synods aren't fast enough for him. I don't think he'll be pushing them forward too much from now on in. They've passed their sell by date.
     
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