I would never trust Bishop Barron the way I trust Archbishop Fulton Sheen. Never, ever. With Fulton rechecks were not needed. With Bishop Robert Barron we enter something of a minefield. I don't quite know where he picked up a lot of his strange notions, I suspect from very suspect European teachers; but once a dog picks up fleas it is very hard to shake them.
In Hawking's case, at least he wasn't as fierce an activist against religion as Dawkins, since he met with four different popes. Regarding the deviations of scholasticism over the centuries, I would like this to be corrected by the Church excluding scientism from seminaries and focusing on mystical theology with the help of orthodox hesychasm.
The writings of the late Father Stanley Jaki, physicist, theologian, philosopher and historian of science should be on every seminary, school and university curriculum.
Bishop Barron is a wonderful man and bishop. One of our best. Let's not get in this constant habit of looking at our bishops negatively or with suspicion the second you hear them say something you don't understand or agree with. It is absolutely not true that Barron rejects the reality of hell. He absolutely does not and never has. All he has ever said is let's have "hope" that all men may be saved. He's not even saying that's likely or a reality, simply that we should have hope. Is there a single person that has died that we should have no "hope" for that they may be saved? One dead soul we should not pray for because there is no "hope" for that person? No. That would actually be sinful to believe there is no hope for any individual. That is really all that bishop was saying. Please listen to his followup explanation of this after everyone went crazy and misinterpreted what he said. I love bishop Barron. He's one of the great ones. Let's keep him in our prayers.
Why on Earth would you not view with suspicion and negatively anyone, Bishop included, who comes up publically with a Hetereodox statement? It is a bit like wanting to shoot the messenger. That the Bishop is not wrong for making the false teaching but that the person who comments on him making the false teaching is wrong. Its shooting the messenger. To say that we may hope that all men may be saved goes against Scripture and the Teachings of the Church. To argue from the particular to the specific is misleading. Of course we may have some hope , unless we have a particular revelation from God that any particular soul may be saved. But we cannot from that argue that all souls will be saved. Fallacy of composition – assumes what is true of the parts is true of the whole. This fallacy is also known as "arguing from the specific to the general." Mark 16:15–16: He said to them, "Go into the whole world and proclaim the gospel to every creature. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved; whoever does not believe will be condemned."
Bishop Barren is wonderful bishop. I choose to pray for him rather than interpret something as heterdeodox when he himself said he meant no such thing. Let's give our good bishops the benefit of the doubt. This isn't Fr james Martin here openly saying homosexual relationships are not sinful. This is a faithful bishop who deserves our support.
We'll agree to disagree. Though I will give him great credit for speaking out against the Synod on Synodality. Once bitten twice shy.
He sometimes does AMAs on reddit, so he tries to bring the religious instruction to the common folk who could be quite lost spiritually. I dont use reddit but there's a meme where they ask him if he thinks his religion is better than others. he says "yes"
The Fatima prayer: Lord Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of Hell and lead all souls to Heaven, especially those most in need of Thy Mercy. Is it not the presumption of salvation that is wrong, not the hope for it?
https://crisismagazine.com/opinion/hell-is-real Barron is also by no means the first widely respected prelate to flirt with a kind of universalism. The great Avery Cardinal Dulles also claimed that orthodox Catholics may answer von Balthasar’s question in the affirmative. Before him, St. Teresa Benedicta of the Cross—widely known by her secular name, Edith Stein—postulated something similar. Her argument goes like this: if God loves everyone (which we know he does), and if everyone can open themselves up to his love (which we know they can), then it’s possible to hope that God will find ways of outsmarting human resistance to him. Yet, if one thinks that to “hope that all men be saved” means that everyone who has ever lived will evade hell, I would argue that this position is contrary to Holy Scripture, Holy Tradition, magisterial teaching, and personal revelations to saintly Catholics through the centuries. ❧ First, Scripture. Jesus and the authors of the New Testament mention hell more than a few times, and some of these verses certainly seem to suggest it’s populated. Jesus tells us that the way to destruction is wide and easy. (Matthew 7:13-14) Elsewhere, he speaks of sheep and goats, the latter being destined for everlasting punishment. (Matthew 25:31-46) In Luke’s Gospel, he warns: “Depart from me, all you workers of iniquity. There you will weep and gnash your teeth.” (13:27-28) The Book of Revelation teaches: “But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.” (21:8) Are we to interpret all of these warnings as empty threats—as if, in this one case, our Lord will not follow through on his word? There is also consensus among the early Church Fathers about hell being populated. St. Ignatius of Antioch declared that “corrupters of families will not inherit the kingdom of God… A man become so foul will depart into unquenchable fire: and so will anyone who listens to him.” The second epistle of Pope St. Clement I reads: “If we neglect his commandments, nothing will rescue us from eternal punishment.” St. Justin Martyr likewise taught that “we believe that they who live wickedly and do not repent will be punished in everlasting fire.” St. Irenaeus wrote that God will “send the spiritual forces of wickedness, and the angels who transgressed and became apostates, and the impious, unjust, lawless, and blasphemous among men into everlasting fire.” Such consensus is also found in magisterial teaching. The Councils of Lyon I (1245), Lyon II (1274), and Florence (1439), as well as Pope Benedict XII’s bull Benedictus Deus (1336), teach that everyone who dies in a state of mortal sin suffers eternal punishment in Hell. Several local medieval councils also state that some who died in a state of sin have been punished by eternal damnation. The Catechism (CCC §1022, 1035) affirms this teaching. Finally, many saints and other Catholics have received visions of hell as populated. Among these are St. Teresa of Avila, Servant of God Lucy of Fatima, Blessed Catherine Emmerich, St. John Bosco, and St. Faustina Kowalska. Lucy of Fatima described “a vast sea of fire. Plunged in this fire, we saw the demons and the souls” of the damned. St. Faustina meanwhile wrote of the tortures suffered by all the damned together, but that is not the end of their sufferings. There are special tortures destined for particular souls. These are the torments of the senses. Each soul undergoes terrible and indescribable sufferings, related to the manner in which it has sinned. The question “dare we hope…?” might best be classified as a useful theological exercise, but we simply lack the evidence to answer with a definite “Yes.” The famous phrase of the Fatima Prayer, “lead all souls to heaven,” should probably best be interpreted to mean all souls alive right now, who could certainly exhibit supernatural faith in Christ at any point prior to death. The challenge for every individual person, from first-century Palestine to 21st-century America remains the same: which path will you choose?
Here is a Bishop who talks like a Bishop is supposed to talk. Who preaches Christ and Him Crucified. 1 Corinthians 1:23 but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks foolishness, 24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.
Yes, Padraig, in that interview the best that Bishop Barron could say was that Jesus is the privileged way, not the Only Way. This actually dovetails into his, "Dare we hope..." attitude.
Also going along with the World Wide Church Lock downs, the forced vaccinations, Bishop Strickland getting the boot, Cardinal Burke getting evicted, the Traditionalist cancellations ect, ect, ect All this silence when he was most perfectly placed of anyone in the entire Church to speak out because of his massive internet presence. However, giving him his dues he did speak out against that abomination in Rome which was called a Synod. Still he is very late as a Shepherd in his warnings. Very,very, very late indeed.
I came across a wonderful painting of Saint Nicholas (Santa Claus) punching the heretic Arius at a Church Council and knocking him out cold. I loved this so much. My kind of Santa I am thinking of getting a copy for my bedroom.,
I think as St Augustine said what concerns me most in the Church is not evil Clergy at he very highest levels, doing and saying evil things, but apparently good Bishops doing and saying nothing about the evil that has been going on. That is what really, really concerns me. If it appears I am being hard on people like Bishop Barron , this is why. Even on his comments on the abominable so called, 'Synod' in Rome to me he was very much pulling his punches. There is a diabolic agenda going on in the Church and he did not even touch on this. This is not a time for niceness or pulling punches. Let them have it with both barrels. Full in the face.
How tired, how very,very tired I am with nice people. If Jesus had been even a little bit nice they would never have nailed Him to a Cross.
Mmm I feel that is an insult to Christ to call him the privileged way. "I am the way' - enter through the narrow door -- small is the gate -- the narrow road God is generous in his mercy but best to stick to scripture and tradition and preach Christ as the only way. Christ is Lord, King and saviour. There is no other name by which we are saved.
