La Salette and Knock

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  1. Dave Fagan

    Dave Fagan New Member

    I was reading some more
    about the apparitions at La Salette and noticed that Pope Leo XIII granted a canonical coronation of the statue of Our Lady of La Salette on 21st August 1879.
    The apparition at Knock took place in the evening on the same date.
    Perhaps it's not significant but the connection is interesting.
     
  2. Dave Fagan

    Dave Fagan New Member

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  3. sparrow

    sparrow Exitus ~ Reditus

    Interesting...
     
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  4. AED

    AED Powers

    Sounds significant to me.
     
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  5. Dave Fagan

    Dave Fagan New Member

    This video also considers the connections between La Salette and Knock.

     
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  6. LMF

    LMF Archangels

    That video is something else ~ thank you for posting it. As an aside, I noticed there was 33 years between LaSalette & Knock. Maybe nothing, but?
     
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  7. AED

    AED Powers

    33 is always significant IMHO.
     
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  8. josephite

    josephite Powers

    Below is from Reflections on Knock - III.

    I believe Our Lady is calling all of her children today to undertake conversion in a radical sense; that is to become saints (to live our faith with heroic virtue especially in the face of opposition). Our Lady offers many clues to this call.

    Below, the article examines Our Lady appearance at Knock in Ireland at the very moment of her coronation at La Salette!

    If we look at and examine Our Lady's continual call through the ages, we see that Our Lady seems to reiterate her earlier/former calls to repentance and penance and provide remedies to save us from our sinful ways.

    Our Lady provides crossover messages through her authentic apparitions. Thank you dearest Mother Mary!


    One has only to look at the Church approved messages of Our Lady! For example....

    On the same date that Our Lady's preformed the miraculous sun miracle at Fatima on the 13 October 1917, she again warns 56 years later in 1973 Sr Agnes Sasagowa of Akita Japan and gives a more urgent message

    Additionally the statue of Our Lady in Akita weeps! This statue is none other than a representation of Our Lady of all Nations, where her messages to Eda Perdimen laments mans descent into degeneration, destruction and war.

    There is a connection here, for eyes to see and ears to hear.

    So let us heed Our Lady's messages. At her approved apparitions.

    Our Lady calls us to....

    1)Receive forgiveness through the Blood of Her son in the Holy Sacrament of Confession.( At least monthly)

    2)Attend the Holy Sacrifice of the Holy Mass and receive Jesus worthily. (That is every Sunday if not more frequent)

    3) Fast, as Our Lord leads each individual soul. (Optimally on Wednesday and Fridays on bread and water)

    4)Pray the rosary daily. (Pray at least 5 decades a day and increase as the Lord gives you time)

    5)Read and meditate on Gods holy word. The Holy Bible the word of God. (I personally believe we do this in the recitation and meditation of Our Lords prayer and the Hail Mary), however God leads all deeper into His word as we surrender more to Him.


    Our Lady Appears at Knock During
    Her Crowning at La Salette

    Gregory Johnson
    Thirty-three years after the Apparition of La Salette, a solemn papal canonical coronation of Our Lady took place and the Basilica of La Salette was consecrated. Three different sources report the event:
    • “On 21 August 1879, Pope Leo XIII formally granted a Canonical Coronation to the image at the Basilica of Our Lady of La Salette.” (1)

    • “An impressive ceremony took place at La Salette, in which the statue of Our Lady was solemnly crowned by the Papal Legate, the Cardinal Archbishop of Paris, before a vast assembly of Bishops, priests and lay people.” (2)

    • “In 1879, the Basilica would at last be consecrated and the statue of Our Lady of La Salette would, by the Pope’s leave, be crowned. Officiating at the consecration was the Cardinal Archbishop of Toulouse, and the coronation was carried out by the Cardinal Archbishop of Paris, acting as papal delegate for this rite. Bishops and Archbishops in numbers were on hand and with them came pilgrims from every diocese (3)
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    Our Lady of Knock appeared in a position of silent plea

    On that same day, a day that must be acknowledged as the public and official recognition by the Church of the apparition of La Salette, the Mother of God was also appearing in the little village of Knock, Ireland. In other words, on August 21, 1879, we have Our Lady of Knock gazing in the direction of La Salette and Rome on the exact day, perhaps even the same hour, as the ceremonies recognizing the Apparition of La Salette were occurring.

    If we are looking for messages and meanings in the silent apparition of Knock, here I believe Our Lady could not be clearer. Her appearing on that specific day means she is making a connection with La Salette and its message. She is letting us know that the apparition at Knock must be seen in light of the dire message sent at La Salette.

    By appearing precisely on that day, she is signifying that the Knock apparition should be seen as part or a development of the La Salette apparition. I see no other possible conclusion. Authentic apparitions of Our Lady are far too rare for this to be a mere coincidence of dates.

    It is interesting to note that the precise times of the beginning and the end of the Knock apparition are unknown. As can be read in the testimony of Margaret Byrne, below, the apparition began before anyone was there to see it.

    By all accounts, Our Lady was appearing before anyone arrived; she remained while people were coming and going, and she stayed even after everyone had left. Actually, in a house neighboring the site where the apparition took place, a lady named Mrs. Campbell was dying, and during the apparition someone shouted for help from her house. The village people who were still viewing the apparition ran to help the dying lady; when they returned the apparition was gone.

    In other apparitions, Our Lady seems to arrive only when there are witnesses, who also watch her leave. In this case, it was the opposite; Our Lady arrived before the witnesses and remained even after the viewers left.

    One possible message that Our Lady might be sending is that the time and duration of the appearance of Our Lady at Knock was not dependent on the presence or absence of witnesses, but on what was happening at that time with the ceremonies of La Salette.

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    Our Lady of La Salette appeared to the children and spoke her dire warnings

    If we try to find a complement for the message of La Salette in the silent symbolism of Knock, we see that the crisis in the Church prophesized in La Salette are confirmed by the presence of St. John, who appeared as a Bishop with a book – probably the Apocalypse – in his hand. This is tantamount to him saying: “The crisis that Our Lady predicted in La Salette, which will make Rome become the seat of the Antichrist and will represent the eclipse of the Church, I also prophesized in the Apocalypse.”

    So, we should understand the crisis as something permitted by God for His final victory and greater glory. For the glory of the Lamb of God, which also appears luminous over the altar in Knock as well as in the Apocalypse. It is something that invites us not to despair, but to trust Our Lady and Our Lord.

    Also the presence of St. Joseph, Protector of the Church, in the Knock apparition sends the message: “No matter how grave the crisis may be, I will continue to protect the Church and lead her to a safe port as I did with the Holy Family. You, the faithful, must have recourse to me and my Most Holy Spouse, the Virgin Mary, in this crisis.” Again, the message is to increase our confidence in the supernatural.

    I believe that these points are valid developments of the message of La Salette, which we must take into consideration given that Our Lady chose to appear in Knock on the precise same day when her apparition of La Salette was being officially recognized by the Church.

    Our Lady of Knock, Pray for Us.
    Our Lady of La Salette, Pray for Us

    Testimony of Margaret Byrne, Witness before the Knock Commission
    I, Margaret Byrne, live near Knock chapel. I am sister to Mary Byrne, who has seen the vision. I remember the night of 21 of August, I left my house at half-past seven o’clock, and went to the chapel and locked it. I came out to return home. I saw something luminous or bright at the south gable, but it never entered my head that it was necessary to see or inquire what it was. I passed by and went home.

    Shortly after, about eight o’clock, my niece, Catherine Murray, called me out to see the Blessed Virgin and the other saints that were standing at the south gable of the chapel. I went out then and ran up to see what was to be seen.

    I there beheld the Blessed Virgin with a bright crown on her head, and St. Joseph to her right, his head inclined a little towards Our Blessed Lady, and St. John the Evangelist to her left, eastwards, holding in his left hand a book of the Gospels, and his right hand raised the while, as if in the attitude of preaching to the people who stood before him at the ditch.

    The Virgin appeared with her hands uplifted as in prayer, with eyes turned towards Heaven, and wearing a lustrous crown. I saw an altar there. It was surrounded with a bright light, nay, with a light at times dazzling, and so too were the other figures, who were similarly surrounded.
     
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