Here is part of the account i was referring to from that website. I'll let you decide if this sounds like our Blessed Mother whose will was totally in tune with God's (and did the Father want Jesus to escape from his Passion that Friday?). Of course Mary must have experienced unimaginable sorrow as she saw her son suffer. But being who she was, she must have also accepted that this was the will of God and voluntarily offered her own immense suffering, indeed her only beloved son, back up to the Father. Thursday, March 28, 2013 "The following experience was so realistic and minute that I was compelled to record and share it. I am exhausted. I prayed the rosary just now and felt a little, and only a little, of the anguish Mother Mary felt as she watched her Son being brutalized. How she tried to stop them from beating Him, only to be slapped away. How she begged them not to nail His feet with that horribly long nail and her horror and frenzied screams as she heard His pain. Her absolute craze to see Him…to see Him so wounded and cut and brutalized. She was spat upon in her grief. Yelled at and pushed away often. Threatened and slapped in the face by guards until someone held her, took her a distance away to comfort her. She cannot recall who it was. By the end of His ordeal, her body was too exhausted to take anything more in. Her mind had sheltered itself by going completely numb. She could not hear or shriek in horror anymore. All she could see was her Son. She took in that His body was broken, tortured, bleeding, unmoving; that now He was dead. There was a dark storm. Rain. Then several hands lifting her. A period of blankness. Her Son again, bloodied and unrecognizable in her arms. Not wanting to let go of Him. An unbearable agony too profound to endure. A deep hatred for those guards and men rising in her throat like fire. It is quickly, inexplicably extinguished. It is replaced with a great sorrow. And fear." "Mary thinks back on the dangerous night she gave birth. She is only 16 or 17 years older than her Son – late 40’s. She is still strong enough to fight, which is why she did and got slapped so hard by the guards for her efforts. She could do no less."
Wow I guess I just don't see it the way you all do. I am not saying anything about these being true or not but to me this is exactly how I could see it going down. Yes she accepted God's will but what does that have to do with pleading to the guards to stop beating him or pleading with them to not put that nail into him. If she was pleading with them of course they would slap her and push her away....they were Roman guards who beat the tar out of her son. They would not think twice about striking her as well. She pleads for us all every day to God the father to stop judgement and give us more time all the while accepting God's will but that does not stop her from interceding for us. If we know anything about Mary from locutionists in the past it is that we know how much she pleads for mercy for us so why wouldn't she plea for mercy for her own son being tortured? How could anyone expect this wonderful loving mother to just stand there and take it when her son is being so brutally tortured? Are you saying that when her son cried out in pain that she just stood there and took it like it was nothing? I just don't agree with the stance taken on this but I am not one to argue and fight and will leave it be and for your own discernment. I did not read anywhere in that image above that would not seem to be normal for any human watching another being tortured let alone a mother...our mother. Of course she accepted what was to come as the will of God and her son, but I am quite sure it filled her with so much pain and sorrow to watch it play out. If the passion of her son was not so sorrowful and horrific 4 of the 7 sorrows of Mary's Devotion of Sorrows would not be dealing with the passion of her son. Again I will leave it be and not post anymore from this site but I just do not agree with the image you are portraying about Mary in this situation. As a father who has lost a child to heaven I can tell you nothing hits me so personal when I am praying more than the 7 sorrows devotion. It brings tears to my eyes every time and hard to get through because I know what it is like to see a child suffer, die, their lifeless body being held in your own arms one last time, and be put away in a tomb forever. It is a closeness that I share with our blessed mother because I know her sorrows personally and know the pain she must have endured. She is far greater than me and my pillar of strength but I just can't accept that she would not be pleaing for mercy for her son during his passion. She was one of the only ones there pleaing if you asked me. How painful it must have been for her to watch and look around and see none of his apostles present other than John. How painful this must have been for Jesus too to look around for comfort and not see many that knew him. She was pretty much alone to deal with this horrible ordeal and no matter how much you may think you are ready or prepare yourself for the events that you know are ahead of you when dealing with knowing your child is going to suffer and die, you are never ready to deal with it when it actually happens. Well at least I know I was not ready for it.
I think Our Ladys will was perfectly conformed to the will of God.As Our Lord did not fight,nor did She.
I guess I don't see her as fighting anything or anyone in that description. I see her trying to lessen the pain, suffering and evil being done to her son. She is pleaing for mercy on her most beloved child. I then see her exhausted in her own pain and sorrow of not being able to lessen the discomfort of her son. Then I see the absolute bottom of her sorrow that day as she is holding her beloved, lifeless child almost unrecognizable in her arms. The perfect Lamb slaughtered in her arms. The emotion of the whole past 24 hours, the sorrow, the pain, the suffering, the exhaustion has built in our Mother. She feels all those emotions coming up but what happens? She extinguishes that fire almost instantly. I do not see anywhere in that description of somone who wasn't perfectly conformed to the will of God. I see our Mother, our pillar in that description as a pillar of all love. Can you even imagine the horror she endured? This was her child but not just any child. This was God and Love and Perfection. How could anyone do such evil to him. She knew Him better than anyone and though she accepted His Will how could people possibly do this much evil to this most perfect gentle lamb? This is why I love her so much! I cry for her sorrow and know her struggle in my own terrible way. She is all love and we need her "all love" so much for the whole world. This above passage helped me love her even more to know a bit of her sufferings and the horrors of that day. It helped me to recall my struggle in losing my child and call out to her most immaculate heart to take this pain for me.
Honestly a total lack of conversion is showing in these messages! Somebody needs to write novels or something for an outlet of drama. Look at all the Saints descriptions of Our Blessed Mother, look at the scripture. This is nothing like God, His people, His vessel for His Son. THis is NOTHING like a person FULL OF GRACE would act or feel or think. I tell you though I would be just SCARED to death to insult or write or say untruths about His Beloved Mother. A little fear of God is definately needed here and lots of prayer for this demented soul.
Andy St Teresa had a vision of Mary after the crucifixtion and describes her as being, 'frozen with sorrow'. She says that Our Lord visited her after the Ressurection and bring Mary bck out of her sorrow by hugging her with love. I kinda get that ,froxen with sorrow and then heated with love back out. Not screaming and hollering, fighting with soldiers. No. No No.
I thought from waht little I saw of it Mary as the Sorrowful virgin was very well done in Mel Gibson's film, @the Passion of the Christ'. Dignified, terrible suffering.
I don't see her screaming, her grief was so deep it went beyond this, IMO. I think she would have been silent. Also, the momentary feeling of hatred towards those who killed her Son - understandable for any of us, but she was without sin, immaculate - how to even penetrate this mystery? It does not mean she couldn't make mistakes, but I don't think she would have felt hatred, as we know it. The temptation to hate them, resisted, fine. But what do I know about the heart of our wonderful mother?
I have spoken often in this thread and will one last time. It is important I think to have an understanding of people who receive messages if you can. I have had the opportunity to come to know Linda this past year through email and have also met her on one occasion just a month ago. I don't expect to change anyone's opinions but do want to explain to where I am on my beliefs of Linda and her visions. I believe them to be true and if you have read them or have been reading them I think you could come to the conclusion yourselves without meeting the seer but I had the chance to meet while traveling on business and was grateful to get this chance. First a bit about Linda. Linda is a wonderful, simple loving human being. When I was in her presence you could not help but to feel this sense of joy about her and a simple love for life and for the Lord. It was wonderful to be in her presence and for me you could just feel that she was one touched by the grace of God. Linda is or was rather like so many Catholics in the US. One who grew up in the church and simply fell away. She does not have a great knowledge for the faith or scripture which is not unlike many other approved seers when it began for them. Linda now has a great love for the faith and rarely if ever misses church or prayer and has a deep love for the rosary and the chaplet of divine mercy. She does not know much if anything about other seers past or present and does not want to hear about them for fear that the ideas could get into her own head. In my meeting with her and her devout Catholic church friends she is always with, when we would begin to discuss things like Fatima or Garabandal (because if you read any of her messages from 2014 the visions she receives now describe the Warning perfectly) she would politely leave the table and conversation until we were done but anxiously wanted to come back to the table to be among friends and lovers of Jesus. Linda had a wonderful career going for her back in 2012 when all this began for her. At first she thought she was going crazy and tried to ignore it and God but God kept calling so to speak. She begged God to pick someone holier or one who had more knowledge of things but He chose her. Her life quickly changed when this began and she lost her job which was hard at first but then wonderful for it gave her more time to grow and learn. Linda is in fully obedience to her local priest who reads her messages as well as 4 other priests who read them that she knows of so far. She also would stop producing the messages tomorrow if even one of the priests told her to stop. I think this speaks volumes about who and what type of person Linda is. There was a comment made about a total lack of conversion and I disagree completely because Linda is one who is reverting and converting back to the faith and her Trust and Faith grows stronger every day. When Linda first came on this board there was an instant acceptance of her messages and even an approval given by Glenn who also met with her since he lives in her town. Then there was a message that came about killing and this whole forum went in an uproar over her being false because God said he did not like killing for any reason. I just could not understand the uproar because for me of course God, who creates all life, would be against the taking of life that He created. Seems very logical to me. Then came the infamous vision of Mary during the Passion and that was the end of the acceptance of Linda on here for many but not all and not myself and I will tell you why for other reasons than what I already stated earlier in this discussion. Linda saw a vision of an event and described what she saw in her own words and own feelings. People say all the time in defense of a seer that the seer speaks or sees and then writes in their own words and not directly from Jesus or Mary for that would be automatic writing and thus false and from downstairs. Linda does not automatic write. She witnessed events and wrote them down as best she could with her own understanding. How could you honestly say that it is or was impossible for Mary, being human though unlike any other human I will give you that, to have the feelings of anger and hatred begin to build inside and quickly she extinguished those flames. For all we know the devil could have planted this idea in Mary's head even for an instant and she quickly put those feelings out. I truly believe a mother and Mary would feel deep sorrow and anguish during the brutal murder of the one she loved so dear despite knowing that this was to come. If you read Mary Agreda or St. Briget's description of the passion you too will find that Mary's sorrow and suffering during the passion was great and that she was exhausted and even passed out on a few occasions. You also find in these readings that she felt everything that her son felt. I just do not find the above vision so unbelieving as many on here find for me for my own beliefs or from what I had read from others regarding the passion and Mary. Now for those who just can't accept that I truly understand but I also have this thought in my head. Many seers in the past have had encounters with the devil to bring confusion as well as to tempt the seer. Who is to say that the entire vision that Linda saw was put in her head by the devil? I don't think that but it is not out of the realm of possibility is all I am saying here. It would not be an uncommon thing for the devil to get involved in some capacity with Linda especially given the fact the Linda did not have a strong base in the Catholic faith to begin with.
I will say this. I do not believe Linda just because I have come to know though this has helped in my belief and I am not sitting here today with a 100% belief in all this but I find no fault in her messages yet and neither do the 5 priests that read them. She continues to ask for permission from her priest and has great concern for those reading her messages because she would be the first to tell you that she would never dream of having something like this take someone away from the faith. She asks for constant prayers for so many and has started a wonderful prayer chain. The fruits are there my friends. I have had two little miracles occur with me and Linda. The first is a story I have shared on this forum before but I never told you who it involved before. When I first discovered the brown scapular and just had to have one I went to my local Catholic gift store to buy one. They were out so I was set to go order one off the internet the next day. I went to church that next morning to look in the basket for a rosary for my 6 year old who broke hers in the basket at church that typically has rosaries and prayer cards in them. There was no rosaries in the basket but at the very bottom of all the prayer cards was one brown scapular. This amazed me!! About a week later I came home one evening and was grilling out. I noticed out of the corner of my eye as I sat down that there was a totally different brown scapular hanging off my kids play slide. I could not believe my eyes or what happened yet. In my head I knew or rather heard that this scapular was meant for Linda. As soon as I knew this I felt another voice in my head urging me to keep it and not offer it to her. This urge was trying to convince me that this one was much prettier and nicer than mine and I should keep it. I was tempted for a second but did not give in and instantly emailed Linda offering it to her if she wanted it. She responded later that night with a yes and told me she could not believe that I offered this to her and would get back to me in a day and tell me why she could not believe it. The reason I thought this belonged to Linda was because a week earlier she posted on her site asking the world to pray for a dear friend of hers who was an atheist and dieing. When I saw this scapular I knew it belonged to Linda and that it had to go to this friend to wear if he would accept it. Earlier that day that I found the scapular Linda happened to be at a home of a devout family. They kept insisting on giving her medals and scapulars (which she was rather ignorant on). She took them but kind of always thought that why would these objects mean anything. As she was driving home she flat out asked God about religious items like medals and what not. She asked him to let her know in an impossible way that when she is offered these things there is something special about them and she should collect them and pass them on because they are indeed blessed items to have. As soon as she got home that night and into her house and checked her email, mine about the brown scapular had just come into her inbox. That scapular did go to her dying friend and he did accept it and wore it as he died. Another smaller miracle was when I was with Linda last month. Linda has an old rosary of her mother's that is very dear to her. It is a beautiful silver rosary that when she holds it and prays with it changes to gold and then back to silver. I have only heard of this happening but have never witnessed it. As I was leaving our meeting and standing in a parking lot with her and her church friends we were looking at each other's medals and what not and saying some prayers and Linda pulled out this rosary. I saw it change to gold in her hands and before my eyes and then turn back as she was putting it away. It was very cool to see. So to sum it up this is what has been happening with me and my beliefs in Linda's messages. Again I do not write this in any expectations to change your minds but just to share my opinions of my beliefs on the matter one last time. I do not wish to post her messages on this forum out of respect for Padraig and his beliefs on the issue but do feel that her messages are beautiful as well as rather urgent since the beginning of the year and urge you to check them out on her site or in my facebook group if you wish to ever read them. Linda is getting many more visions these days showing what I think are three different scenes to come in the future beginning first with the warning. I also feel she is seeing some of the 3 days of darkness as well as the second coming of Christ at a much further time away than the immediate. I am glad to have met Linda but I am not swayed in my thoughts on her because I have met her but more because of my own prayers for discernment here. For those who go to afterthewarning.com you will also see her messages on there now. That was my doing after reaching out to the site manager asking him to look into the recent visions that look like the warning. Thank you for taking the time to read this. God Bless! Andy
Mac, i understand your philosophy on the death penalty. At one time, i was a pro-death penalty Catholic. But through my personal discernment, i cannot accept the death penalty. I believe God decides who and when one dies. Sometime the "created one" may ask for a soul ...but it is still Gods decision who comes and goes. Our world is based on natural law that keeps everything balanced. And sometimes God can change or modify natural law for the saving of souls. By man, acting like God ...deciding life and death of another man ... he/she is deciding the fate of a soul. Maybe that soul, was going to touch another soul, that would lead to a chain of events that saves 1 million souls. God has a plan and we don't want to negatively affect Gods natural order. The death penalty is a very complex issue... and i understand why you would believe God would agree with the death penalty. My only advice ...it is Gods decision when He decides to use Divine Justice. I just don't think we should be challenging natural law by killing a person before his/her time. May Gods Will be Done
I deleted my post after posting it in hopes of not getting into another debate. I wasnt quick enough. You may not approve the link,but the facts are the facts...http://archives.sspx.org/against_sound_bites/capital_punishment.htm
That is why it is a debate, it is a decision between you and God. Like i stated before, i was a pro-death penalty Catholic at one time. I can understand your reasoning. Just wanted to add some information to debate. May Gods Will be Done
