Um....not "so simple". So you're saying that the local bishop has condemned LTTW? You know that a study has been completed or even begun? Wow! We seem to see new rules written every day by those without the authority to speak! The Marian Movement of Priests with the cenacles' ordered procedures to include the reading of a message (locution) to Fr. Gobbi continues according to whatever "permissions" are granted by bishops to have priests involved or not and after all these years no decision of Church approval or not has been formally given while the U.S. national director has been given permission to dedicate all of his time to the MMP as well as permission to stay at the international headquarters in Italy when there. Other priests have been given individual approval to dedicate their time to giving cenacles throughout the U.S. by their individual local bishop or order superior. And the case of LTTW appears to be similar but with the difference that messages are still ongoing which would back a "wait and see" normal procedure for any final judgement: From the beginning Fr. Gobbi has been under the care of a spiritual director, one who judged his locutions to be authentic and who determined which of the messages would be published. Contrary to some published reports, Fr. Gobbi has never been subjected to any other formal scrutiny. .....Unless a condemnation is warranted for the good of the faithful, the authentication of mysticism usually takes place during a canonization process, after the mysticism is obviously concluded (because the person has died) and it can be viewed in the context of the person's entire life. During life it generally stands on the witness of responsible persons, such as a spiritual director, the fame of sanctity of the alleged mystic and the fruits. This is somewhat different from the phenomenon of an apparition, which has a discrete beginning and end, and usually occurs independent of the stage of prayer life of the person receiving it. . Re: a final judgement: In his (Fr. Gobbi) favor, however, are/(is) the opinion of his spiritual director. https://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/MMP.htm It would appear that LTTW also fulfills these qualifications. I'll regard the nuances granted by the Church....so far....over the opinion of any individual for whatever personal reasons.
I wrote: Any locutions which the local bishop has not approved, are not authentic. It is so simple. Stick to it! You make your own conclusion ... read again! Why waste time on something which is not proved authentic by the legitimate ordinary or the pope?
If the Almighty and Eternal God deems something from His Holy Mind to be important and timely enough to tell us, who am I to tell Him it's a "waste of time" to read it?
Well, once again, in your "any locutions"....you are then declaring that Fr. Gobbi's locutions are not authentic by your personal definition of his local bishop not as yet giving official Church approval. Afraid it doesn't work that way with locutions as is obvious by what was explained in the case of Fr. Gobbi which LTTW is similar to in its similar type of approval via each's spiritual advisor. Did my best to explain, with expert reference, these cases neither of which have been condemned. I for one wouldn't speak other than what the Church Herself allows nor would I pre-judge the Church's conclusions. So I am not the one making my own conclusion...rather, I am the one following Church protocol in these similar cases. Thus, currently you can read either group of locutions and not "waste your time"....and in fact, the cenacles of Fr. Gobbi have a reading of a selection of his locutions as part of their order of organization and these cenacles are permitted in the U.S. and internationally. And as stated on the home page of LTTW you are personally free to read or not, accept or not, these private revelations.
Now locutions.org is presenting the first part of each new message on opening/home page but you still get Malware Warning when you go to "read the full message". Perhaps they could put whole message on that home page since that at least is so far still available. They are attempting to work against these attacks (which had been predicted...that "persons" would attempt to stop the messages from going forth) by changing the home page around but it would seem that they still are getting immediate attacks. Actually such attacks give more credence to the messages' worth.
Go here for full print out of latest LTTW messages via "Theophobos" http://motheofgod.com/threads/locutions-to-the-world.4116/page-27#post-97876
I don't really put a lot of credibility into anonymous locutions. I have to see the person. I need to know its a real person and locutions are very difficult to discern because it could be your own imagination. When we have so many messages from Medjugorje why chase others?
That's why the editor of the LTTW, Msgr Esseff, stated first thing that they are private revelations and you can take them or leave them. Same thing could be said, and is often said, about why there are so many Marian apparitions....or why they are so repetitive. Suppose if people had done what some of the earliest requests from the Blessed Mother had outlined there wouldn't be the need for so many more reminders and helps from above! Of course when it comes to locutions, Fr. Gobbi was known and yet he has been criticized along with the messages that came through him. But some of them are now being reread with even greater interest as they are actually happening. And LTTW aren't exactly in the totally anonymous category since the individual has been explained through the auspices of her spiritual director, Msgr Esseff, and the locutions only went public through and after his approval. On all of the published books of the messages are published with him listed as the "Editor". You can then trust his history of spiritual expertise and discernment or not.
I often feel we are becoming desensitized to the reality of what is coming down the line due to the numerous alleged messages from different sources. These take much time to read and discern and discuss. All of this eats into our prayer time. I have stopped reading messages other than those from Medjugorje ,which I see as more like spiritual direction.
As one messenger from God told me, 'all the messengers today was not intended by God and he is using them only because those whom he entrusted to speak the word of God (our priests and bishops) have failed in doing so'. God loves us so much that he wants us to understand the seriousness of the times "For surely the Lord God does nothing without revealing his plans to his prophets, his messengers" Amos 3:7. If we do as St. Peter said 'do not despise prophecy, but take what is useful from it' then we benefit from the information. Our Lord has warned in many messages about 'sensationalism' and to stay away from this type of prophecy. Sensationalism is wanting a juicy 'play by play' of every day occurrences, which some of us feel LTTW dabbles in. Best to stay with prophecy that leads one to pray and do penance more.
You just put a question in my head Fatima regarding what you said. Is it odd that you don't see any good sisters in the world today getting and submitting messages? Is this not occurring? Is it occurring and they are under hush orders from their superiors? Our faith is filled with many of the greatest mystics being sisters. Where are these voices in the wilderness today?
Someone shared at Yahoo Groups - Seers 2, a list of revelations from Our Lady of All Nations. Doesn't this message fit, what has been repeated in the Locutions.org messages about Jerusalem? Note 18 refers to Zechariah 13:1. To: Ida Peerdeman March 28, 1948 Easter The struggle begins... I see the Lady and she says, “Justice will be the point at issue. Within a very short time grave things are going to happen. These will be preceded by chaos, disorder, doubt and despair. Above St. Peter’s heavy clouds will hang, which will be dispersed with much struggle and difficulty. Otherwise, perdition. All Christians must join forces. That will be accompanied by great pain and misery. Join forces, all of you, for the struggle begins. The gates are opening. The Eastern peoples are holding their hands before their faces in Jerusalem. They will wail over their city. There is a large well in which you all can wash yourselves.” [Note 18] .... http://www.de-vrouwe.info/en/1945-1959/114-botschaft-1948
Msgr Esseff stopped being the Spiritual Director way BEFORE Aug 2014 when he took LttW to court to remove his name from the site. Time to move on...
Pijon, its over. Padrig is allowing aftermath conversations to go on, for now! An Olive Branch to come home
