I have some thoughts on this, but that's all they are, just reflections really and nothing to argue about. I hesitate to post them here because they involve Marian apparitions as a whole, and Glenn wants to keep this thread dedicated to Garabandal. But I'll post them anyway and ask Glenn to not delete this post if it bothers him, but to post it elsewhere in another thread about Marian apparitions as a whole. I have been thinking about Marian apparitions as a whole and wondering if certain dates haven't changed as a result of responses to Our Lady's requests over the years. The fact (or presumed fact to some) that Our Lady had said that she "will finish" in one place what she started elsewhere makes me wonder if we have been given more time through Her intercession. Other apparitions since Garabandal are about completing her plan and linking together everything said and promised in the past. How all these apparitions and promises will tie together in the end is something that only Heaven knows. It has been mentioned elsewhere here, by MS7 I think, that a certain holy priest spoke of an extension of time in the end-of-times events. I read similar thoughts by Father René Laurentin in one of his books (which I looked for again recently but can't find for the moment in case anyone asks). So to get back to your question, perhaps Mari Loli was the one who needed to know the date at one time, but with the extension given to us, that knowledge may have been passed on to someone else. Just recently, someone posted something about Garabandal and it struck me rather bluntly that perhaps Conchita will not live to announce the Miracle, since this event would be one sure way to separate those who believe in Garabandal out of faith from those whose belief is based on a very human analysis and calculations of events. Sometimes I think that the Church suffers from the same tunnel vision as many others in our world (eg scientists, doctors, etc) who just look at a narrow arm of knowledge while ignoring the larger body of work.
I can only offer my personal thoughts on Conchita. Knowing her as well as I do , it must have seemed almost surreal that somehow the world could be notified in almost an instant. I have to tell you,the original plan that she ,Joey and myself worked out ,was she would call Joey, he would call me, and I had an enormous list of phone calls to make,and emails to write, to get the ball rolling. Now I literally can notify hundreds of thousands of people ,centers, tv networks with ONE email.
I believe with all of my heart that Conchita will be able to make the announcement of the Miracle. In addition, I think that Mari Loli needed to know the date of the Warning because she was ill and I think it would have been cruel to keep the date from her. I realize that God could have cured her at any time but it was not God's will to do that. I think that the death of Joey Lomangino is the event that was foretold to create disbelief in Garabandal. I think that Conchita, knowing the date of Garabandal, could not have possibly believed that Padre Pio would still be alive to witness it but I believe that it was reasonable for her to believe that Joey Lomangino would be alive for the miracle.
Conchita will announce the Great Mirace date 8 days before, because it's the wish of God, about Loli, I am myself close to her family for years, Loli knew the Year of the Warning only, not the Great Miracle date as for Conchita, this is the wish of God, I was myself with Loli's siter last month, I asked her again if Loli knew the Warning Year, she said to me YES, my next question was Why herself only ? the reply was because it's the wish of God, end of the story. I can confirm again that the 4 seers and I repeat again the 4 seers have very good relations, I was myself with Jacinta last summer, she confirms to me that they love each others as sisters and are in contact regularly, all of them are Under Church's Authority, in short Under obedience. I will Watch online any news about Mari Loli closely as requested by her own sister to me, thank you.
Sorry to disagree about Conchita's belief, but you forget , I have discussed this already. You would believe it (as she did ) if you were a 16 year old ( simple faithfilled ,mountain girl ) who just spent 4 years seeing and talking to the Blessed Mother , AND having locutions with Jesus ! I doubt anyone would disbelieve at that point, and that's why she didn't.
You don't need to be sorry about disagreeing. I apologize that you discussed this already and I did not see it. My post was not to condemn Conchita for disbelieving that Padre Pio would be alive at the time of the Miracle (he would be 128 years old today if he was still alive) but more to state why I think people would have disbelief in Garabandal.
First, my error for poor wording, I meant I talked about this with HER already. You are looking at this situation now, knowing what you know now, not as a 16 year old back then, that's my point, she had no reason to doubt it,considering who was telling her this.
Aviso, I think I was the first one to mentioned Conchita was silenced. Glenn denied it. How do you know?
What do you mean by she was "silenced" ? What I know is that no seer (Conchita included) are allowed to talk officially about Garabandal without the Agreement of the Santander Diocese, the last official statment from any Garabandal seers is Conchita's card about the 50 Anniversary of the Apparitions, Nothing else and this has been allowed with the agreement of the Bishop of that time as indicated to me. The last private satements to my knowledge from Conchita which I request myself via a Friend are : About Pope Francis and Albretch Weber last year (2015), to my knowledge Nothing else related to Garabandal to date.
A joyous and blessed Easter to one and all! Glenn: Although I might be mistaken, didn't Conchita mention in a 1980 BBC television interview that she has spoken with neither her husband nor her children regarding the events of Garabandal? Realizing that her husband has since passed away, has she maintained this same reticence with her now-adult children? Thanks!
Eventually it did happen, after her children noticed her picture on books (while on vacation in Spain ),and were amazed to find out it was their Mother.
I feel compelled to apologise in advance to followers of Garabandal for this post because I fear that some may take offence although none is intended. Elsewhere on the forum Joe started a thread asking people to guess what Padraig thinks will happen in the next fortnight. It's a light-hearted thread. One member guessed that there would be a sign of an eye in a triangle as seen by the girls at Garabandal. Is it true the girls at Garabandal saw such a sign? Any connection with the all seeing eye in a triangle would confirm for me that what they saw was not from Heaven.
Why? It is an ancient Christian symbol of the Providence of God. The member made no mention of a triangle. He light heartedly suggested the eye would pop out of the sky. It was me who reported that the girls had seen an eye in a triangle. Over the altar in many Catholic Churches including Garabandal you will see this sacred symbol. The triangle in particular is a symbol of The Trinity. Sure it has been abused by the forces of evil - just as the rainbow has been by the gays - but not in our Faith. Of course, if you want to think the worst that is your right. But you are wrong. As a Garabandalist I do not feel offended. You are free to reject Garabandal just as I am free to believe. I know you have theological and historical reasons for your stance but for me they do not hold water In this case.
I have never seen the symbol of an eye in a triangle in a Catholic Church and this is the first I ever hear of a triangle being a symbol of the Trinity. I'll bow to your superior knowledge on that, but the very notion that God would use a symbol that is nowadays commonly associated with Freemasonry to authenticate a Marian apparition is a serious stumbling block for me. I'll leave you to it.
Dijo Conchita: Al lado del Ángel de la derecha, a la altura de la Virgen, veíamos un ojo de una estatura grande; parecía el «Ojo de Dios». http://www.virgendegarabandal.com/elojodedios.htm Just checked this out on a Spanish website. I am sure that Glen will confirm or not the above quote. It says that Conchita described an 'eye' to the side of the angel. It does not mention a triangle in the vision that the children saw.
Looked this up- explanation here on the all seeing eye. Apparently it has been around for centuries before the free masons appropriated it in the 1700's. http://catholicdeliverance.blogspot.com/2013/06/gods-all-seeing-eye.html
As far as I know Marxism, and communism and masonry are bedmates so to speak. So there is a possibility at Garabandal that some form of warning as to where the future problems would re emerge from. By that I mean that triangle thing with the eye in the middle. I believe that is associated with masonry Illuminati or what ever. By the way it is a symbol used on the American dollar I think. Anyway, our Lady asks us to say our prayers, receive the Sacraments and live good lives. She will take care of the rest.
I found the following 2 links and they describe the eye that the seers saw differently. http://ourlady.ca/info/garabandal.htm http://www.marypages.com/GarabandalEng.htm The supernatural creates some fear within me, I can't help feeling this way I just do. I have read so many things on the web about Garabandal, somewhere I read that it is believed that some of the visions were demonic, in other words, mixed good and evil messages. I watched a few Malachi Martin videos and in one of them he states that he doesn't believe that Medjugorje is authentic and he states that is because the Blessed Mother's feet weren't visible. He then states that Satan cannot hide his hooves. Then I noticed in several interviews with the seers that they asked them if they could see her feet and they always said no. I know that Malachi Martin believed in Garabandal but my imagination starts to run away. I have read the third secret from Fatima a few times and I wonder if it takes place at Garabandal, a trap set up by the devil. I can't shut my brain down anymore, I think I may need therapy because the fear is taking over. I woke this morning worried about Planet 7x and I had a whole scenario in my head for that situation. I need to stop. Julia's last line of her post is so true!
Yes one of our older Churches has the eye in the triangle as it was always known to be the Trinity as one God. That symbol came first before the Masons could use it for their own purposes. Why people only know that perverted symbol is another loss of proper instruction of Catholic generations. Hopefully when the AC shows up people won't think God made a mistake sending His Son as the Truth...even though the AC attempts with a lot of success to mimic Him and people accept the fraud and doubt the Truth.
