I could possibly believe that possibly She did appear early. But not with all the other stuff that is so much against what we believe. Sorry. I do not mean to sound disrespectful. But could the revelation you recieve be from another source?
Oh that's not fair. Surely you can see why I have doubts. Medjugorje has so many more doubting factors than a La Salette. And yet you expect me to drop La Salette and embrace Medjugorje. i am not being a smart ..... I am trying to understand, but you're giving me nothing.
I don't know anyone on this forum. But I wonder at times.... Maybe there are people on this forum who are just here as a promoter of what they want to push. This is food for thought. I go on this forum to learn, to find the truth, and at times by me speaking my heart it helps me as a person. But at times I get confused with double standards.
No . I have thought and spent some time about this praying to Our Blessed Lady there is a diference to an argument than a dedicated agenda whch is what you have no mtrr how concelaed so I do as she bids abd cancel your memberhship of he forum...
Hi Padraig, what's wrong with Jane, I received her email and she said to me, you decided to bann her, may we know the reason, she may have a big number of questions as many others but I don't see in her last messages anything direspectfull or it is still my english and I did not understand your conflict ? Aviso
Well I don't want to reveal too much that has been told me through Pm's but one member resigned and another complained. Nor indeed has this been the first time. It is not so much a matter of points of view as the manner in whcih points of view are expressed. I think I will leave it at that.
Well, Padraig,if you banned Jane because she does not think Medjugorje is true and some members complained about it, then please, just ban me too. You said that YOU KNOW MEDJUGORJE IS TRUE BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN REVEALED TO YOU!! I think Medjugorje is an hoax, and I already told Jane I am preparing an article to present here my opinion based in the filmed material we have about the "apparitions". I can give you some hints in advance. For instance, in the ecstasys of Garabandal the kids were talking, everybody could hear them, in Medj. they do as they would be talking but nobody can hear them. In apparition in Medj. you can see how the pattern is changing with time. First there was always the indication from one of the kids that the Virgin "is gone" and this was so quickly happening that one could see the abrupt movement of the kids. Today, the Virgin is dissapearing slowly. In some filmed material you can see how Jakov is still talking with the Virgin as Vicka said "she is gone", and he has not time to react and only when he realizes he stops and moves abruptly the head as if the Virgin were leaving, sorry for the joke, like a rocket. At the beginning you can see how Ivanka is the one directing the apparitions, she is the first reacting when the Virgin appears and when the Virgin goes and in all videos the kids are positioned in the same way. And so on.... Everybody can see this theater. Just look at the first old videos of the apparitions. You will see how the kids are looking already at a fix point BEFORE the Virgin is supposedly there. Why? Do they know the exact point of the room where the Virgin is appearing? But even if She does it in front of them why do they know the exact distance and hight of the apparition before it occurs? Today they act in a different way, they look at the floor with closed eyes and slowly rise their heads. Some times Vicka was getting on her knees in a very abrupt way, now the seers are more.... calmed? In the famous video where Vicka is reacting to the rapid approach of somebody's finger, it was argued that she was reacting so because she thought the Virgin was dropping the Child. oh yes, that is the normal reaction: to go backwards blincking instead extending the arms to try to get the Child. Apart from that, what a casuality that she thought this at the exact moment when she was challenged with this test. Again another lie! This you can easily see in the old filmed material and it is a clear prove that those kids were acting! If you are patient I will give you an analysis with references to those videos where everybody can see the evidence: that those kids were not talking with Our Lady and that even today they do not do it. I have also the analysis done on recent Mirjana apparitions where you see how she " gets prepared" for the apparition. Furthemore, It is impossible for me to believe in this show that Ivan is making every day. I said this already: if the Virgin see the necessitiy of appearing EVERY SINGLE DAY to this person to say nothing essentialy different every day...Why is she not appearing to the Pope directly? Would'nt be this more effective? On the other side, if this extraordinary event is happenning every single day why is the Pope not attending this? What would people think if the Pope would make those shows that Ivan is making? Would we believe the Pope? If not... Why should believe a guy which is making an inmense among of money with this business? There is no saint in the history of the Church recieving an apparition of the Virgin EVERY SINGLE DAY of their lifes. (!!??) So, Padraig, ban me because I, as Jane, do not believe neither in an apparition that has not be aproved by the Church. If you ban me I still will pray for all members of this forum in my daily rosary. Please, do not take me wrong if I, with all my respects, do not believe neither your personal conversation with the Virgin telling you that Medjugorje is true. Best regards, Jose
I also would like to give Jane my one of my email addresses to keep in contact. Dear Jane, you can still talk to me using this email. jabotella(at)hotmail.com It is weird... It always the same kind of people banned in those forums, the ones searching for the true in a honest way! It already happened to some of us in the page of MDM, didn't it? You are in my prayers and, please, keep in contact. Jose
Thank you for your reply Padraig, now are you able to confirm that the reason of her bannishment is not Medjugorje ? or that the complains are not link to Medjugorje ? Jane contact me few months ago, she was a beleiver of Medjugorje but had few questions, I have been able to convince her, my goal when I join your forum was not the Case of Medjugorje but Garabandal only, now nobody here can say any more I did knew that Medjugorje could be false, nobody but it's the same thing for Garabandal as nobody need to beleive it. Aviso
I only found this forum a few months ago but it has given me great food for thought and prayer. The peace I receive here has been disturbed by Jane's expulsion. There is no compulsion within the Catholic Church to believe even approved apparitions. You can take them or leave them as you personally see fit. In fairness to Jane, it was Padraig who brought up Medjugorje this week despite an agreement to not discuss it until after Christmas. In the context of both of these points, the punishment seems extreme. Even in the canonisation process there is a 'devil's advocate'. A deep faith can withstand all assaults. And even if one loses faith in Medjugorje it will not diminish them in any way as long as their faith in the gospel is not reduced. I ask for mercy for Jane. I miss her perspective. It's not possible to discern if only one side of the story is given. Ireland is victim to this in it's main stream media already, please God don't let it pervade this forum. Lord have mercy on us all.
I think this constant debate on apparitions being true or false is not helpful on the contrary it is disturbing. If you are unhappy with an apparition such as Garabandal or Medjugorje then avoid them. Concentrate on the sacraments and on prayer and try each day to live out our calling as a catholic. The closest we can come to Jesus in this life is in receiving Him in Holy Communion so that should be the real focus of all our lives and any apparition that does not lead us to the Mass and the sacraments is better avoided. Our lady comes to call us to her Son. Constant discussion of a negative nature does not help any of us. Mary
Great post - I agree with everything you have written above. The only point I wanted to make was a request for mercy for Jane. (OK it took me a lot of words to come to that one point!) If there are issues on which agreement cannot be reached (apparition or otherwise) then we agree to not continually open the wound by discussion - that's what I've had to learn to do in my home! God is good. Union with Him is our aim. None of us have the same road to travel there.
Dear all, Regarding the last comments by maryrose and Bartimaeus I have only something to say. The purpose of a forum is mainly to join people with the same interests and to discuss about them. In this forum there is an extra page dedicated to Marian apparitions. I find absolutely normal than those actual "supposed" apparition are discussed there. That is how many people found this forum: with the interest to discus about MDM after been banned there. To get the message of Mejugorje I do not have to come here. I come here to learn, discuss and discern. There is a big discussion about Medjugorje going on out there. I do not see why this cannot be allowed here. If somebody feels attacked because "his/her" favorite apparition is not accepted as such by some people, then the problem is not of those having doubts but of those who do not allow anybody to show their concerns about non-approved messages from Heaven. A different thing is that the owner of this forum could see the behavior of person as abusive or even disrespectful with other members. I, as other members of this forum, do not think this was the case with Jane. But this is Padraig's house and he can do whatever he think is right. Even if it looks unfair to some of us.
