Yeah? So it is only God the Father that knows the day and the hour. But maybe Jesus knows around the time of His Glory. Brother Stanley is church approved. But we are living in confusing times. Can the church get it wrong?
Yes. It is strange the church approved the visions and not the secrets. Our Lady was dressed different than usual. Our Lady at Garabandal appeared without the viel, I have always thought that was unusual too. I think the best to get out of La Salette is....... To keep Sundays as a Holy day. Keep the Lords name Holy.
Our Lady is plain and simple; like a drink of spring water. The secrets of La Salette seem to me arcanne and convoltuted. Not simple at all. If as is suppoesed Melanie kept these secrets hidden until many, many years later she disclosed them in Sicily how did she keep them? Such long complicated matters? Also it seems to me these words lack the simple accent of Mary, they are high flown, deep, lugubrious. Not simple, transparent direct the words of a very little one. Mary is the littlest one of all.. Can one too divorce the secrets from the apparition itself if these are the words of MAry? I have reserves. Grave reserves.
When the prophecies of Jesus become a bit of a joke. I sit up. I have just returned from Sunday morning mass. Readings Daniel 12: 1-3 Mark 13 : 24-32 I thought this is a great opportunity during the homily to talk about being ready as if it is tomorrow. i thought it was a great opportunity to talk about 'hell' as a wake up call if your life isn't in order. We do not know the hour in which Jesus will return to judge the living and the dead, but after todays homily, I'm convinced it is sooner than later. When the priest makes a joke about it. "We are still here" Yes we are still here. But it is this very idea of saying "people have been saying for years the world will end" is the very reason we have become lay back about it. (sorry there is a word for this, and I can't think of it) I don't like jokes during the mass at the best of times. But to joke about one of Jesus' prophecies saddened me.
padraig. Why i value this forum so highly is the opportunity it gives me to learn more about our faith. From sources 'screened' by those further along the road of conversion and so hopefully unlikely to be sending one down dark alleys. Am grateful you replied to Jane. The source you offer is yet another new source of knowledge to read on. Contrary to offering support towards viewing La Salette with distrust the articles there rather offer arguments for! But what confuses is that the secrets stated there little match those given by Jane. I quote from the article : M. Raymond, noticing that the Saint now had doubts about La Salette, lost no time in spreading the news. He even reported it to the Archbishop of Lyons, Cardinal Bonald. This Cardinal was one of those fence-riding clerics who imagined that the new republic would guarantee the liberty of the Church. He convinced himself that the Apparition at La Salette, and especially the Secret, were inventions of the royalists to promote their cause. So, he duly announced this welcome news from the pulpit. It made the newspapers, and the enemies of La Salette misused the name and reputation of St. John Marie Vianney to cast doubt upon it. Their efforts were in vain, however. As we have already seen, the investigation conducted by the Bishop of Grenoble continued, in spite of this opposition, and ended with a verdict approving of the authenticity of the Apparition. As to the holy Curé, his anxiety increased greatly when he heard of this decision. He bore this cross for eight years, until October of 1858—only some ten months before his death. The Saint himself related how he regained his faith in the Apparition: "For about a fortnight I had been experiencing a great interior trouble, and my soul felt as if it were being dragged over a rough road. Then I made an act of faith in respect to the Apparition, and at once my soul recovered its tranquility. I also desired to see a priest of Grenoble in order to confide to him what had taken place within me. The following day a distinguished ecclesiastic of that town arrived here (Canon Gerin). He came into the sacristy and asked me what one should think of La Salette. I replied: ‘One may believe in it.' I was in need of money to complete the requisite sum for the foundation of a mission. I prayed to Our Lady of La Salette to procure the money for me, and I found just what was needed. I looked upon the incident as miraculous." (Procès apostolique ne pereant, p. 897, as quoted by Trochu, ibid., pg. 386.) Now it was Cardinal Bonald who requested of Bishop de Bruillard that the seers should inform the Pope of their Secrets. Perhaps he hoped that it would be an obvious ploy of the royalists. He even wrote of his suspicions to Pope Pius IX. But again, all was in vain, for the Holy See whole-heartedly approved of the decision of the Bishop of Grenoble, and, indeed, the revelation of the Secrets to the Pope appears to have encouraged this approbation. Here then are the original versions of the Secrets, which were sent to Pope Pius IX in July of 1851. Again, in this correspondence to the Pope, the seers intended only to give brief summaries of their Secrets: Maximin's Original Secret 19 September 1846, we saw a beautiful lady. We never said that this lady was the Blessed Virgin, but we always said she was a beautiful lady. I do not know if this is the Holy Virgin or anyone else. Myself, I think today she is the Holy Virgin. This is what the lady told me: "If my people continue, what I tell you will arrive earlier; if it changes a little, it will be a little later. "France has corrupted the universe, one day she will be punished. Faith will be extinguished in France: three parts of France will not practice religion any more or almost no more; the other part will practice it without really practicing it. Then after [that], nations will convert, the faith will return everywhere. "A large country in northern Europe, today Protestant, will be converted: by the support of this country, all the other countries of the world will be converted. "Before all that arrives, great disorders will arrive in the Church, and everywhere. Then after [that], our Holy Father the Pope will be persecuted. His successor will be a pontiff that no one expects. "Then after [that] a great peace will come, but it will not last long. A monster will come to disturb it. Everything I say here will arrive in the next century, [by] the year two thousand (literally – later to two thousand years)." Maximin Giraud (She said to say this some time before). My Holy Father, your holy blessing to one of your sheep ... Grenoble, July 3, 1851. Melanie's Original Secret J.M.J. Secret that the Holy Virgin gave me on the Mountain of La Salette September 19, 1846: Melanie, I will tell you something you will not tell anyone: the time of the wrath of God is here! If, when you have told people what I told you earlier, and what I tell you to say again – if after that, they do not convert (if they do not repent, and if they continue to work on Sundays, and if they continue to blaspheme the Holy Name of God), in a word, if the face of the earth does not change, God will take revenge against the ungrateful people and slaves of the devil. My Son is going to unleash His power! Paris, a city stained with all sorts of crimes, will perish infallibly. Marseille will be destroyed shortly. When these things arrive, the disorder will be complete on earth. The world will indulge its ungodly passions. The Pope will be persecuted on all sides: they will shoot at him, they will want to kill him, but they can do nothing; the Vicar of God will triumph again this time. The priests and nuns, and the true servants of my Son will be persecuted, and many will die for the Faith of Jesus Christ. A famine will reign at the same time. After all these things have arrived, many people will recognize the hand of God upon them; they will be converted, and will do penance for their sins. A great king will ascend the throne, and reign for a few years. Religion will flourish again and extend throughout the earth, and there will be a great abundance; the world, being happy not to be lacking anything, will resume its disorders, forsake God, and deliver itself up to its criminal passions. [Among] God's ministers and the Spouses of Jesus Christ, there will be some who will deliver themselves up to disorder, and that will be terrible. Finally, Hell will reign on earth. This is when the Antichrist will be born of a nun: but woe to her! Many people will believe him, because he says he came from Heaven – woe to those who believe in him! The time is not far; there will not pass two times fifty years. My child, you will not say what I just told you. (You will not tell anyone; you will not say that one day you may tell; you will not say what it regards); finally you will not say anything until I tell you to say it! I pray to Our Holy Father the Pope to give me his holy blessing. Mélanie Mathieu, Shepherdess of La Salette ... Grenoble, July 6, 1851 ... J.M.J. + Pasted from <http://www.salvemariaregina.info/SalveMariaRegina/SMR-165/LaSalette3.html>
mmmm .. have you ever gone into a Maze, Jerry? I have. Thv Holy Spirit invites us to chew on something... not a maze La Salette invites us to the maze the truth is not complicated I will not respond to an invite to the Maze
I too am grateful for Padraig's reply and yours too Jerry. I know little. I am learning fast. But what I gather here is, maybe Our Lady didn't appear in La Salette. Or these secrets probably shouldn't be spoken of. This forum is great. It helps us to see what is true and what is false. Sometimes we won't always agree, but it is important to see the other side of the story. The promoters will always give you what they want you to hear. [/quote]
How can you be so sure? With all the other things that have been said against Medjugorje. i don't understand this. You can say La Salette isn't true because of what you have read, but you can ignore what is said against Medjugorje. I am confused.
If Medugorje is false. I am false. and all I state on this forum is false. THAT'S HOW SURE i am. MAEDUGORJE IS COMPLETLEY AND CERTAINLY TRUE
Pardon me nor this do I beleve this simply my by own discernment my own prayerful discernent but ny direct mystical revelation Our Lady has shown me this in prayer MAEDGOJE IS QUITE TRUE
