Yet, PNF - you too have used messages of others in other threads so as to support your opinions, right? And the thing which really got caught in my craw is how you've been speaking of the planned brick and mortar Third Temple in Jesusalem, Israel which stinks of AntiChrist evidences - as if it's not a Fact!
at various times on the Mother of God forum, people start threads about seers and messages and other members may comment about the content of the messages This is true of the whole time I have visited this website since 2012. Usually there is discussion about the veracity of the message/messenger. It is very instructional for people discerning because members take time to research whether the messages/messenger is worthy of belief. If you go through most messengers in the last few decades, there are probably threads dedicated to them on the Mother of God forum. Try not to take rejection of a messenger personally. People who post criticism do it out of charity. I know I do because of having followed a deceitful seer/deceiving messages in 1993. Out of charity, I wouldn't want anyone else to have a bad experience and God forbid, blame/leave the Church because of it.
Frankly, if I understand you (and admittedly I may not understand you), I think you might have misunderstood what I was saying. 1. I definitely HAVE used "messages of others in other threads." However, I have not used any "messages of others" that have been given a official judgement by the Vatican or by a Diocesan Bishop as "Constat de non spernaturalitate" – Rejection (It is confirmed to be of non-supernatural origin). There are very few "messages of others" that have received that official negative designation. If you can prove otherwise, I am open to correction. 2. The "fact" that there are reports of a "Third Temple" being constructed in Jerusalem is completely irrelevant (and possibly a Freemasonic diversion to throw off the Protestants). As I have tried to explain to you, the references to a "third temple" in "Jerusalem" is a figurative way of discussing the counterfeit "Catholic" Church. It is from this counterfeit "Catholic" Church that the "the abomination of desolation, which was spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place" (Matthew 24:15) will be found. A Third Temple built by "the Jews" in the modern state of Israel would not be a "holy place" in Jesus's mind. You are taking those words too literally. Do you also think that Jesus was telling all Christians in "the end times" to "flee to the mountains of Judea" as well? There are less than 200,000 Christians living in the modern state of Israel. That section of the Olivet Discourse is a "literary allusion" to the 1 Maccabbees 2:28, which also discussed (allegorically) the "abomination of desolation" along with the Book of Daniel. Frankly, you are not seeing the figurative, metaphorical, allegorical patterns and references in the Bible verses you are depending on and quoting from. You are depending on a overly-simplistic and naively-literal interpretation of those verses. I can help you understand them better if you will allow me to. Take care.
I agree that a discussion about the merits and demerits of a particular seer can be helpful. But those discussing should use logic and understand the historical, theologically-valid use of key words by saints like St. Paul and St. Thomas Aquinas when they discuss such things. And when a person who makes an honest mistake, because he is not aware of the use of that word (such as "rapture" in an orthodox Catholic context), that person out of Charity In Truth should acknowledge his mistake and apologize for confusing the issue and possibly turning people away from a Marian apparition that might be supernaturally valid. We must be very careful not to offend God by telling others that his Mother is not speaking when she actually is.
I agree this Jewish temple could never be called a holy place since it is a denial of Christ's sacrifice; then if it is built it will be a physical representation of the sin against the holy spirit; a denial that we are saved by the Precious Blood of Our Lord Jesus Christ.
PNF, exactly what drew you to this forum? We have always loved to refer to this place as Our Lady's Living Room.
Hi HeavenlyHosts. I was drawn to the Mother of God forum because when searching for information on Marian apparitions, this site always came up. I do think Our Lady's Living Room sounds like a nice place. I hope we see each other in her real living room one day! May God bless you.
+ Nope.. Actually, as others here know and keep saying to anyone who attempts to write it off, The Planned Third Temple is very real.. So, any attempt at denying it shines a Light upon any who do. And is not only tremendously relevant to any of the many Rabbis and other Jews/Israelis and "Christian Zionists" and those of us who know, that it is become much more deserving of being way more disseminated.. think ye not? And.. yes... Those behind it have been for years peddling this false Temple to Christians - including 'Evangelicals' and 'Christian Zionists and connecting it to Scriptures, 'messiah', the end of days The YouTube oft-posted with Netanyahu & Rabbis viewing the Plans of the Third Temple and the newly built Room of the now existing Sanhedrin - can never really be written off so fuzzily, eh? + _
the temple is a possibility, but that it fulfills the requirement of a holy place described in Matthew 24:15, by no means as this would be a way of sacralizing that which denies the redemption effected by Christ on the cross; it is understandable that many Protestants believe that the holy place of prophecy is a Jewish temple in Israel because they do not believe that there is a renewal of Christ's sacrifice in Catholic and Orthodox liturgies.
it is a contradiction to Protestantism's own heretical teachings such as the thesis of an invisible church which contrasts with the need for a physical temple in Israel; in addition to the Sola Fide doctrine which contradicts the need for a temple with sacrifices as some Jews probably want to introduce in that temple.
To be clear, I did not say that the Third Temple (Jewish) would not be built in Jerusalem (State of Israel). It may or may not. I have little interest in it because I do not believe that it has anything directly to do with Biblical Prophecy. I do, however, think that "the Third Temple" is likely a Freemasonic ruse to distract people while the true "Continual Sacrifice" (i.e, the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass) is "taken away" in the Catholic Church. So people promoting that idea should be watched carefully for signs that they are actually trying to deceive Catholics with their Red Herring tactics. The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass (the Tridentine Mass) is being "taken away" right now, and we are in the early stages. The plans for integration of all Catholics into the Novus Ordo have been announced. See Traditionis Custodes: Art. 1. The liturgical books promulgated by Saint Paul VI and Saint John Paul II [aka, the Novus Ordo Missae), in conformity with the decrees of Vatican Council II, are the unique expression of the lex orandi of the Roman Rite. Indeed, this is the New Order of the Age (Novus Ordo Seclorum), a New Age (the name of the magazine of Scottish Rite Freemasonry). The key battle in the "end times" is the battle between the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church and the Freemasonic infiltrators who have hijacked the institutional Catholic Church and will turn it into a Freemasonic Religion of Humanity, under the banner of liberty, equality, fraternity. The tiny faithful remnant will only triumph by divine intervention at the Second Coming.
They think it is a fulfillment of the prophecy in Daniel. I am not sure exactly why since I never asked. But I did know it was happening. I have nothing to show for documentation.
Exactly.. To claim it doesn't exist has been a major faux pas for the Few who've been attempting to continue to claim it doesn't exist.. Hello! Maybe now the shifty - "it might exist" (be a possibility) a la damage control - continues a shifting narrative? Thing is.. The Third Temple is such an immense AFFRONT to the true Messiah, JESUS, and? Christianity and evidences AntiChrist? That it's never been a surprise to Know for years that very strong attempts to Mislead the world ab0ut it - shall indeed be forthcoming . . . ! Why? The reality of the Third Temple in Jerusalem, Israel - is now shifting a very strong Light upon ISRAEL ! Deny This? The exact model of the Third Temple is already prepared and was created on a scale of 1/50. It can be viewed at the Visitors Center that will open its doors in Jerusalem in 2025. The square building, which is 150 meters long and 150 meters wide, and of varying heights, can be seen throughout Jerusalem. Construction will begin once these plans receive approval from the Jerusalem Municipality https://thirdtemple.org/en/architecture/
“When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: … For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.” – Matt. 24:15 – 21. Now I want to point out that this Antichrist cannot commit the abomination of desolation until the Temple exists again. So, this gives new meaning to Prime Minister Netanyahu’s statement of thanks to President Trump. Israel can now start planning for the Third Temple to be built and they are. In the recent article The push for a Third Temple in Jerusalem is gaining momentum, it was written – “Since the beginning of 2020 we have seen the further push for this third temple among many in Israel. Dr. Minnes who served in the IDF Intelligence Corps and the Shin Bet, Israel’s internal security service also known as the Shabak came out recently and claimed that Donald Trump’s recent “Deal of the Century” Mideast peace plan echoes that of Persian King Cyrus’’ decree that paved the way for the Jews to build the Second Temple almost 2,000 years ago. stating: “The Trump statement is the declaration of Cyrus of our days,” and then there was a recent story where a Palestinian expert came forward on a television broadcast in the media claiming that Israel is “Building the Third Temple Under the Aqsa Mosque” and then there was a recent speech at the Kohelet Policy Forum in Israel, by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu where a Rabbi reportedly interrupted Netanyahu’s speech to remind him of the importance of Building the future Third Temple in Jerusalem.” The world’s news media quickly covered up the event of President Trump’s declaring Jerusalem Capital of Israel but Trump’s Jerusalem declaration sparks talk of 3rd Temple. And this has prophetic significance for us all. It is a clue to God’s timetable because when the Temple is rebuilt the Antichrist will be set to confirm the covenant with Israel and begin the last 7 years of history for this age. Jesus will come at the end of this 7 years to claim His throne and begin His 1000 year millennial reign. https://prophesyfortoday.com/2020/07/17/rebuilding-the-third-temple/ The rest at the link. https://templeinstitute.org/ This second link is where people can donate. There are informative videos and a video about the red heifer. My takeaway from this is that evangelicals want the Third Temple to be rebuilt so that Jesus can return. That seems to be their reasoning. I'm just providing some documentation here.
Yes, Evangelicals are completely bought into the Jewish Third Temple ruse concocted by the Freemasons. They (the Evangelicals) can't understand the "end times" in the correct way, because to do so they would have to admit that all of the end time prophecies are central events in the Roman Catholic Church. To do that, would mean that the Evangelicals are in the wrong Church. All of that Third Temple stuff is part of the false, alternative "end times" narrative. Add to that Russia/Ukraine, Covid, Monkeypox, etc. All of these are very real things, but they are also manufactured and precisely controlled by the powers that be. They are meant to scare people and mislead them into thinking that that only way that we can solve the intractable problems of the world is to "work together." We have to focus all of our efforts on environmental protection, tolerating any and all sin, and depopulation. New solutions for a New Age. In a word, "Freemasonry." The Antichrist will be the person who promotes those exact solutions, and he will be doing on the world stage very soon and he will use the Counterfeit Catholic Church as his launch vehicle.
EXACTAMUNTO! Very serious Falsities .. . Evangelicals and Christian Zionists have been created by those who are behind the Third Temple. YEP. More Proof that any who've yes been denying it.. were wrong! Perhaps they'll continue to changing/shifting their tune since they've been outed? .. Pretending to now agree w/the proof which rebutted them. Thanks .. ... .. . Yarmulke wearing Trump is very highly regarded in Israel. A planned area has been named after Trump. Trump Heights (Hebrew: רמת טראמפ, Ramat Trump, [ʁaˈmat ˈtʁamp]) is a planned Israeli settlement in the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights named after and in honor of the 45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. The World News ... hides any truth / news - which undermines their Agendae.. +++
Reports? Where have you been? How many times must one be told and now clearly shown to all in another Thread - that 'fact' turns out to be True.. The term Diametrical comes to more than just my mind when reading some "responses'' Diametrical? --> If one claim is the exact opposite of another claim, they're diametrically opposed. 'completely irrelevant' Anything else, PNF? +
Oh, Frankly, why bring me back into this when you are doing such a fine job showing those with "eyes to see" exactly what you are peddling? Red herrings, much? I will continue to pray for you Frankly. You can count on that.
