The Third Secret of Fatima

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  1. Frankly

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    Perhaps that 'belief' connects with your current personal full of problems situation?
     
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    Padrepiofan,

    1. I agree with you that the third secret is primarily about the apostasy in what appears to many people to be "the Catholic Church." But the true Catholic Church is "indefectible" until the Second Coming of Jesus. That is a dogma of the Catholic faith. So if you see an organization that claims to be "the Catholic Church" and it defects from the teachings of Jesus Christ, then that organization cannot be the true Catholic Church. Look elsewhere for the Church. For example, maybe another Pope will still be living and he might go by a name that sounds something like Benedict XVI...maybe (what do I know?).

    2. I partially agree with your second statement. The 3.5 years of "desolation" will be a time when the authentic Sacraments (Baptism, Confession, the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass) and their effects (the remission of sins) will be non-existent in the Counterfeit Church. However, I do believe that these Sacraments will be available in the "catacomb" Catholic Church of the faithful Remnant. That true Catholic Church will be the one that keeps all the dogmas of the traditional Catholic faith.

    3. Most important for you, and to set your mind at ease a bit, it is perennial Catholic teaching that until a person's soul separates from the body and the "Particular Judgment" is completed, that person can always repent of their sins and be forgiven for those sins. Do not doubt that. The "Particular Judgment" is in the Roman Catechism in Part I, Article VII (search for the Catechism of Trent online).

    4. Now, the word "forgiven" is a little ambiguous. Catholic Catechisms speak of two elements in the process of "forgiveness:" 1. absolution and 2. satisfaction. You might be mixing those two things up. If you are "perfectly contrite," even of no priests are available to provide the Sacrament of Penance (and assuming that you desire to actually receive the Sacrament), then your sins are "forgiven" (meaning you are "absolved" of your sins). But you still have to do your penance, i.e., make "satisfaction" for those sins. If you do not have access to the Sacrament of Penance and no penance is given to you by a priest, then how to make "satisfaction" is less clear. This means that a person going through that situation is more likely to end up in Purgatory rather than go straight to Heaven. To solve that problem, learn about Indulgences. For example, if you have "the proper dispositions" (EXTREMELY IMPORTANT), you can receive a Plenary Indulgences by doing some very simple actions, such as praying a Rosary. Search online about the details of Indulgences and trust the perennial teaching of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.
     
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    Curious as to from where/whom is this notion based upon?
     
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    The term "desolation" is found in many Biblical prophetic books, but especially Ezechiel and Daniel and confirmed by Our Lord in the Olivet Discourse. The period of ~3.5 years is also seen in Ezechiel and Daniel with confirmation by St. John in the Apocalypse. More detailed descriptions of the events can be found in Maria Valtorta's Notebooks, specifically the discussion of the "Dry Bones." The True Church vs Counterfeit Church is hinted at in most Marian Apparitions, but the Apocalypse is primarily about this juxtaposition of the Immaculate Bride (the true Church) and the Harlot of Babylon (the Jezabelian Counterfeit). Other more recent prophecies (Luz de Maria, Pedro Regis, Carbonia, etc.) hint at the Sacramental nexus.
     
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    It talks about God chastising people and marking them ... This I'm scared about
     
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    Live your life as all the pre-Vatican II catechisms tell you to live. The fundamental teaching of the authentic Church cannot change. Reject any novel teaching on faith, morals and sacraments. If you do this faithfully, you have no reason to be scared. The Holy Trinity, through the instrument of his One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church will not deceive you in its authentic Magisterium.
     
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    I agree with you that it is very dangerous to state what Fr Kramer has said about Pope Francis.
     
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    We are not there Padre pio fan. We are not there!!! You can be marked by the Blood of the Lamb Jesus Christ if you ask Him. Today. This minute.
     
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    Hints? Are speculation: of which for reasons I never attend to.

    From God to Jesus to Jesus' Angel to John to us, The Apocalypse also references: Leviticus, 2Chronicles, Daniel, Ezekiel, Psalms, Isaiah, Amos..
    I'm v.familiar with St. John's Apocalypse/Revelation
    The Apocalypse concerns many areas of important interests.
    I'm familiar with the aforementioned time periods which connect with: three years and a half / forty-two months / twelve hundred and sixty days / three days and a half..

    When wondering and speaking of these time periods - it is most essential that - for starters - AntiChrist is never left out of any discussion.

    And as I've oft-mentioned, I'm well-studied in some Geopolitics - going back into the days of the Iron Curtain of which I've across and back...
    --- and I compare what's been going down in the world for decades, going back to the latter 20th Century and up unto Today WITH God's and Apostolic Public Prophesy.
     
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    Revisiting this topic, who should we say is Malachi Martin’s “GOTO” taking into consideration, his body of work, numerous, documented interviews, speeches, and commentary.
     
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    I knew MM as an acquaintance.. and only God alone fully knows MM's "GOTO". .
    I care not to go into any more specifics concerning this or that regarding what he's said to me, and others, and what he's written.
    And Since you're interested, What think thou of him?
     
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    My main interests regarding Malachi Martin center around his connection with the Fatima prophecies and related events pertaining to Church history. "The Decline and Fall of the Roman Church" happens to be one of my favorite books authored by him. At this point in time--while again, readily acknowledging my limited information, I'm still inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt by stating my belief that his GOTO would have to be our Lord Jesus. My gut instinct tells me that Malachi Martin was legit, regardless of whatever controversies were associated with him.
     
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    Father Gobbi said ecclesiastical freemasonry will infiltrate and replace the Holy Mass with the abomination of desolation. I also think the third secret is about this, warning of how the bad ones in the hierarchy will mislead the faithful, pretending to be following Vatican II.
     
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    The Formational Mother of all the forms of the Legion of dedicated and yes related AntiChurch/Christ Ideologies and Groups, and their related Wars - has been around for circa 2000 years.
     
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    Padraig, I'm not certain if this link has been posted on the forum yet. When I did a search on the author your post a(and one other came up and that is all).

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/episod...ma-rome-will-host-the-seat-of-the-antichrist/
     
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    How strange!

    That is the author of one of the books that I am reading at the moment.

    'Revelations : The Hidden Secret Messages of the Blessed Virgin Mary'.'

    ..and I was reading some of the messages of the exact same mystic he refers to:

    Jeanne Royer (Sister of the Nativity) 1731-98)

    A few of the mystics he refers to, Sr Jeanne included I simply do not know. I reckon few people outside France know her. But anyway. I was kind of taken aback. Because here's this nun maybe 200 to 250 years ago exactly describing the State of the Church today. Ina way very similiar to Our Lady of Good Sucess.

    https://catholicprophecy.org/sister-jeanne-royer/

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    “I see that the century which begins in 1800 shall not yet be the last. The reign of Antichrist is approaching. The thick vapors which I have seen rising from the earth and obscuring the light of the sun are the false maxims of irreligion and licence which are confounding all sound principles and spreading everywhere such darkness as to obscure both faith and reason.

    “One day I heard a voice which said: ‘The new Constitution will appear to many other than what it really is. They will bless it as a gift from heaven; whereas, it is in fact sent from hell and permitted by God in His just wrath. It will only be by its effects that people will be led to recognize the Dragon who wanted to destroy all and devour all.

    “One night I saw a number of ecclesiastics. Their haughtiness and air of severity seemed to demand the respect of all. They forced the faithful to follow them. But God commanded me to oppose them: ‘They no longer have the right to speak in my name.’ Jesus told me. ‘It is against My wish that they carry out a mandate for which they are no longer worthy.’

    “I saw a great power rise up against the Church. It plundered, devastated, and threw into confusion and disorder the vine of the Lord, having it trampled underfoot by the people and holding it up to ridicule by all nations. Having vilified celibacy and oppressed the priesthood, it had the effrontery to confiscate the Church’s property and to arrogate to itself the powers of the Holy Father, whose person and whose laws it held in contempt.

    “I had a vision: Before the Father and the Son – both seated – a virgin of incomparable beauty, representing the Church, was kneeling. The Holy Ghost spread His shining wings over the virgin and the two other persons. The wounds of Our Lord seemed alive. Leaning on the Cross with one hand, He offered to His Father with the other hand the chalice which the Master held in the middle. The Father placed one hand on the up and raised the other to bless the virgin.

    “I noticed that the chalice was only half-filled with blood, and I heard these words spoken by the Savior at the moment of presentation: ‘I shall not be fully satisfied until I am able to fill it right up to the brim.’ I understood then that the contents of the chalice represented the blood of the early martyrs, and that this vision had reference to the last persecutions of the Christians, whose blood would fill the chalice, thereby completing the number of martyrs and predestined. For at the end of time, there will be as many martyrs as in the early Church, and even more, for the persecutions will be far more violent. Then the Last Judgment will no longer be delayed.

    “I see in God that a long time before the rise of Antichrist the world will be afflicted with many bloody wars. Peoples will rise against peoples, and nations will rise against nations, sometimes allied, sometimes enemies, in their fight against the same party. Armies will come into frightful collisions and will fill the earth with murder and carnage.

    “These internal and foreign wars will cause enormous sacrifices, profanations, scandals, and infinite evils, because of the incursions that will be made into the Church.

    “As well as that, I see that the earth will be shaken in different places by frightful earthquakes. I see whole mountains cracking and splitting with a terrible din. Only too happy will one be in one can escape with no more than a fright; but no, I see come out of these gaping mountains whirlwinds of smoke, fire, sulphur, and tar, which reduce to cinders entire towns. All this and a thousand other disasters must come before the rise of the Man of Sin.

    “I saw in the light of the Lord that the faith and our holy Religion would become weaker in almost every Christian kingdom. God has permitted that they should be chastised by the wicked in order to awaken them from their apathy. And after the justice of God has been satisfied, He will pour out an abundance of graces on His Church, and He will spread the Faith and restore the discipline of the Church in those countries where it had become tepid and lax.

    “I saw in God that our Mother, Holy Church, will spread in many countries and will produce her fruits in abundance to compensate for the outrages she will have suffered from the impiety and the persecutions of her enemies.

    “I was the poor people, weary of the arduous labors and trials that God sent to them, shall then be thrilled with a joy that God will infuse in their good hearts. The Church will become by her faith and by her love, more fervent and more flourishing than ever. Our good Mother the Church will witness many amazing things, even on the part of her former persecutors, for they will come forward and throw themselves at her feet, acknowledge her, and implore pardon from God and from here for all the crimes and outrages that they had perpetrated against her. She will no longer regard them as her enemies, but she will instead welcome them as her own children.

    “Now all the true penitents will flow from all sides to the Church, which will receive them into her bosom. The entire community of the faithful will pour out their hearts in hymns of penance and thanksgiving to the glory of the Lord.

    “I see in God a great power, led by the Holy Ghost, which will restore order through a second upheaval. I see in God a large assembly of pastors who will uphold the rights of the Church and of her Head. They will restore the former disciplines. I see, in particular, two servants of the Lord who will distinguish themselves in this glorious struggle and who, by the grace of the Holy Ghost, will fill with ardent zeal the hearts of this illustrious assembly.

    “All the false cults will be abolished; all the abuses of the Revolution will be destroyed and the altars of the true God restored. The former practices will be put into force again, and our religion – at least in some respects – will flourish more than ever.

    “I see in God that the Church will enjoy a profound peace over a period which seems to me to be of a fairly long duration. This respite will be the longest of all that will occur between the revolutions form now till the General Judgment. The closer we draw to the General Judgment, the shorter will be the revolutions against the Church. The kind of peace that will follow each revolution will be shorter also. This is so because we are approaching the End of Time, and little time will be left for either the elect to do good or for the wicked to do evil.

    “One day the Lord said to me: ‘A few years before the coming of my enemy, Satan will raise up false prophets who will announce Antichrist as the true Messiah, and they will try to destroy all our Christian beliefs. And I shall make the children and the old people prophesy. The closer we get to the reign of Antichrist, the more will the darkness of Satan spread over the earth, and the more will his satellites increase their efforts to trap the faithful in their net’.

    “When the reign of Antichrist draws near, a false religion will appear which will deny the unity of God and will oppose the Church. Errors will cause ravages as never before.

    “One day I found myself in a vast plain alone with God. Jesus appeared to me and from the top of a small hill, showed to me a beautiful sun on the horizon. He said dolefully: ‘The world is passing away and the time of My second coming draws near. When the sun is about to set, one knows that the day is nearly over and that the night will soon fall. Centuries are like days for me. Look at this sun, see how much it still has to travel, and estimate the time that is left to the world.’

    “I looked intently and it seemed to me that the sun would set in two hours. Jesus said: ‘Do not forget that these are not millenaries, but only centuries, and they are few in number.

    “But I understood that Jesus reserved to Himself the knowledge of the exact number, and I did not wish to ask Him more. It sufficed me to know that the peace of the Church and the restoration of discipline were to last a reasonably long time.

    “God has manifested to me the malice of Lucifer and the perverse and diabolical intentions of his henchmen against the Holy Church of Jesus Christ. At the command of their master these wicked men have crossed the world like furies to prepare the way and the place for Antichrist, whose reign is approaching. Through the corrupted breath of their proud spirit they have poisoned the minds of men. Like persons infected with pestilence, they have communicated the evil to each other, and the contagion has become general. The storm began in France, and France shall be the first theater of its ravages after having been its cradle. The Church in Council shall one day strike with anathemas, pull down and destroy the evil principles of that criminal constitution. What a consolation! What a joy for the truly faithful!”
     
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    I think perhaps this would evidence why malachi martin said in 1989 that revealing the secret would give the Russians a strategic advantage that the West could not resist, Russia currently has quantitative superiority in the field of nuclear weapons.
     

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    Interesting & believable. Again, it brings to mind the Japanese monks ~ they lived the message of Fatima ~

    https://www.ncregister.com/blog/the-jesuit-priests-who-survived-hiroshima
     
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    Have you ever heard of this group? It seems "they" have actually been working at some sort of "constitution". Surreal...

    https://arcc-catholic-rights.net/in...catholic-constitution-for-the-catholic-church
     
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