I would love to see a single person here, who experienced what I did in life and refuse our Blessed Mother's request to promote her messages. 1. Healed of a cancerous bone disease at 12 years old, from kissing the medal our Lady kissed at Garabandal (Joey's medal ) 2. 20 years to the year, meeting Joey again at a Garabandal talk he was giving. 3. Meeting Conchita ,and Pope John Paul II in the same 2 week peroid. 4. After being told no tv station will ever air the GBL video , I convinced Mother Angelica to air it,and it explodes around the world in demand. 5. Being friends with Conchita, and seeing miracle after Miracle, healing after healing from relics she has given me. Only a fool would deny our Mother's request to spread her message. You will never silence me, Mary will make sure of that. God bless the believers.
I've tried to not get involved in these threads but... Come now Glen, it's pretty obvious that there were attacks by you - or statements that can easily be perceived as attacks, in the other thread. Are you denying you said these statements: "Try doing something positive with your life" "Tell that to Jesus's Mother, face to face one day, after calling her a liar and a fake" "So take a pill and chill" "Are you just making the crap up?" Those are not ways a person should be treated, much less by a Mod of the forum. Well, you may have a point if this was a Garabandal forum... but it isn't. We discuss all apparitions here and the validity and merits of unapproved apparitions. Now if Padraig wishes to institute a policy whereby there will be no alluding to the possibility of Garabandal being false then so be it and we all should abide by it - being his forum. Or maybe I just need to "Grow up"? I'm sure that wasn't a personal insult though, right?
When any person here , and especially an Admin is said to have called someone satan ,and NEVER did, I have every right to be upset ! Don't pick a fight with me , and not expect to get hit back.
I read a few things about gara a while back. I contrasted it with the behaviour, dispositions and attitudes of the fatima children and I haven't thought about it since. I wouldn't let any statement of Glenn bother me enough to offer a response. Just plod along you need not worry about garabandal.
That's the one. Thank you Glen. I'll be sure to take note of its location to make sure I don't lose it again.
You're probably right Carol, but I get the impression that anything short of tiptoeing is categorised as disrespect. For example, to say that someone is promoting apparitions, doesn't automatically carry an implication that the person is in it for personal profit. When I use the term, it simply means that they are advancing the cause by spreading the word. There's another visionary being promoted on this site, a lady from South America who seems to have been a good, devout person who has gone to her eternal reward. I did a search on her and discovered claims that members of her family have built up some kind of business surrounding the lady's memory. I didn't post the link on the thread where her prophecies were being promoted because I feared a backlash and didn't want to get embroiled in arguments. At the same time, I sometimes feel uncomfortable that so many claims of heaven sent messages appear to be taken at face value with no leeway for a "devil's advocate" type testing of them.
Frodo, there was a serious discussion about MDM on this forum. Padraig has agreed with the Church's condemnation of the woman in Dublin who is a fraud. Garabandal has never been condemned like MDM. Debates, discussions and all that jazz; but with respect. Please find the thread and you can see how disgraceful that fraud MDM truly is. Of course you are free to believe her; but lets face it, we all believe in the devil; but we don't promote and follow him.
I just don't like any attack on any of the seers themselves unless absolutely warranted, for instance if the seer is making a personal gain or has done or said something which will hurt others in which Garabandal this obviously not the case. If people just stick to the apparitions themselves no problem, questions about the Eucharist or even if it is from heaven or not. I don't want to state too much detail here as if I am pointing my finger at anyone, we all make mistakes and I am certainly not perfect. Peace to all, hopefully, eventually in any case.
Trouble is, Carol, that in some cases the seer is the problem. I don't mean Garabandal because there's enough doubt surrounding the apparitions and prophesy for me to dismiss it. Even with Garabandal, the pushback can be OTT or even disparaging of the person expressing disbelief as though that person is not spiritual enough or not sufficiently intelligent to make an accurate assessment. Some people are overtly disrespectful, others resort to inference. Neither is respectful. We're Catholics, not Moonies or members of some cult where dissent is verboten. Anyway, I understand what you're saying. We need to correct each other in love.......easier said than done but maybe we all need to try a little harder.
Glenn, you know I'm a doubter of the apparitions of Garabandal. But . . . For what it's worth, the information you have provided over the years, some of it firsthand knowledge that isn't readily available anywhere else, has kept me from completely dismissing them altogether. I still have reservations, and unless The Miracle takes place as promised, or the Church delivers a favorable ruling, I probably always will. In the meantime, I find your testimony compelling, so I keep watching and waiting with an open mind.
I have only been a member for a few months so I can only reference what I have read since then and in particular this most recent incident appeared to be an attack directly on Conchita and not on the lack of authenticity of the apparition. If she was my friend I would have come on quite strong with a rebuttal. I appreciate your understanding of where I am coming from with my suggestion, which is to basically to use more prudence when posting.
With respect, Glenn, I didn't pick any fight with you yet I got the bolded type treatment after only one post on the other thread because you said you wanted to keep the thread on topic. Looking at that thread now, there are plenty of further posts that are off topic but none of them got the "get back on topic" treatment presumably because they are mostly from people agreeing with you. While I appreciate your dedication to Garabandal based on your own personal experience, I get the impression that you are demanding a level of acceptance from us that the Church doesn't demand for the likes of Fatima and Garabandal. Respect is a two way street.
The ONLY thing I demanded is not to spread an outright LIE about me. If I want to call someone a name, you'll know it, I pull no punches. Some here are deceitfully trying to convince you I did something , which I did not.
Lately I'm feeling so much tension in a way it never happened before, here and out here. About Francis, about Garabandal, in the world. For those wondering how the beginning of a serious storm could be, here is the answer.
We're already in the storm, Pijon, and it's all around us. The death toll in Nice has risen to 80. There's civil unrest in many Western democracies. The cold war is being revived and progressing towards a hot war. Genocide of Christians in the Levant, and millions displaced. China making islands in the South China Sea and rejecting the international community's ruling against them. Russia, having turned towards Christianity and on the way to conversion, has enacted a law restricting religious freedom. Teaching that marriage is between one man and one woman is well on track to being outlawed as hate speech in post-Christian countries. We need to re-focus on the first Saturday devotions that Our Lady requested at Fatima to speed up the conversion of Russia because we may very well need a Christian country to flee to and Russia could be our best option.
I know. Do things that you enjoy, spend time with your family and friends, these things may help relax you.
A three word prayer that I keep saying is a shout out to heaven from the top of my lungs for help. We are in the storm of storms, an earthquake at sea and even if in the boat with the Lord, we must shout out in complete surrender to save us for we are lost. We are doomed on our own. We must also scream out to heaven and be the voice for all of our other brothers and sisters who are not in the boat yet. He will answer this prayer. LORD SAVE LOST!
Thank you Carol for your good suggestion, but I'm already "relaxed" . What I wanted to say, is that: - There is much tension in the world right now, and I can feel it. - There is much tension between many users of this forum, and I can feel it.
I should have made a distinction between the eye of the storm, and the storm itself. I personally believe that so far we've been living in the eye of the storm, but in the upcoming days/months the storm will release its full power, as also Charlie suggested. The recent facts, with increasing violence and gravity, will unfortunately confirm this.
