St John Paul II revealed there was a chastisement element to the Third Secret. Asked why it had not been revealed in 1960?” Pope John Paul II replied: “Given the seriousness of the contents, my predecessors in the Petrine office diplomatically preferred to postpone publication so as not to encourage the world power of Communism to make certain moves. On the other hand, it should be sufficient for all Christians to know this: if there is a message in which it is written that the oceans will flood whole areas of the earth, and that from one moment to the next millions of people will perish, truly the publication of such a message is no longer something to be so much desired.” At this point the Pope grasped a Rosary and said: “Here is the remedy against this evil. Pray, pray, and ask for nothing
but this text could have been created after 2004 with the indirect mention of this fact to seem true.
I think this danger increased considerably after 1973, when the only military power capable of defeating communism legalized abortion.
But Garabandal. Is it not obvious that John Paul II was just paraphrasing this description from Sister Lucia, which was already known in 1944: "I felt my spirit flooded by a light-filled mystery which is God and in Him I saw and heard: the point of the flame-like lance which detaches, touches the axis of the earth and it [the earth] shakes: mountains, cities, towns and villages with their inhabitants are buried. The sea, rivers and clouds leave their bounds, they overflow, flood and drag with them into a whirlpool, houses and people in a number unable to be counted; it is the purification of the world from the sin it is immersed in. Hatred, ambition, cause destructive wars" (Sr. Lucia, Tuy, 1944. See Sr. Lucia's official biography by the Carmelites of Coimbra - A Pathway Under the Gaze of Mary) If that message, about the floods, was already publicized by Sister Lucia, can't we logically infer that that particular subject matter definitely WAS NOT the subject matter of the Third Fragment of the Secret? Otherwise, what would be "secret" in the Third Secret? Rather, because Sister Lucia described those events publicly, we can be certain that those events are not the events discussed in the Third Secret, right? JPII did not say he was describing the Third Secret. He was just giving an example of a type of message that would not be prudent to reveal.
Hi Luan. As I said above, I believe that the handwriting analysis proves conclusively that Sister Lucia wrote the document. Since I am certain about that, I rule out the idea that a third party created the document after 2004. But the main reason I think that it is the real Third Secret is not related to the handwriting analysis. Rather, I think the critical feature of that Third Secret is that it restates the essential details of the end time prophecies from the Bible, with additional information that only someone in our times (after the Fatima apparitions) would understand.
Malacy Martin implied that Russia (and perhaps Kiev) were mentioned in the secret - Asked why the secret was not released in 1960 Pope John Paul II replied: “Given the seriousness of the contents, my predecessors in the Petrine office diplomatically preferred to postpone publication so as not to encourage the world power of Communism to make certain moves". No menion or reference to that in the alleged secret - I think the secret must mention apostacy in the church and a chastisement perhaps with Russia mentioned specifically.
The vision of Sister Lucia re the water destroying everything wasnt published until the book "A Pathway under the Gaze of Mary" was published afew years ago and after her death. She had also described it to the Bishop of Leiria in a letter she wrote to him, way back in the 40s I think, but as far as I know that letter was not made public until "A Pathway" was written. So we did not know about her terrifying inundation Vision until some few years ago when " A Pathway" was 1st published and Anthony Socci reported on it in Italian, and his article was then translated into English.
Hi Garabandal. The "apostasy in the Church" is the primary sign, according to St. Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2, of what the Catechism calls the Church's "final trial." So, me and you seem to agree on that much, right? That is the key event that we must look for. St. Paul describes the "apostasy" as having certain features (with my interpretation in parentheses): 1. There will be an attempted "deception." (the antipapacy) 2. The deception will be carried out by a person, the "man of sin." (Bergoglio) 3. The man of sin will be "seated in the temple of God." (the Counterfeit Catholic Church) 4. The man of sin will oppose God's teachings and set up his own teachings above those of God. (the result of the Synod on Synodality) 5. The man of sin will be "held back" by someone and by something, until that someone or something is "taken out of the way." (Benedict XVI and the TLM) 6. The man of sin will be revealed to be the "wicked one" and Jesus will eventually "kill" him "with the spirit of His mouth." (after the abomination of desolation) 7. But he will first succeed in deceiving them "who have not believed the truth but have consented to iniquity." (the deceived will experience the Chastisement) St. Paul does not say but we can gather, by logical inference, the following: 1. Not everyone will be deceived. 2. The "man of sin" will be primarily a promoter of moral "sin," not a totalitarian dictator in the secular sense. 3. The man of sin will be a Catholic antipope because he sits in "the temple of God," not in the Kremlin or Bejing or DC. 4. The man of sin will be someone who can deceive Catholics about which religious doctrines should be followed, again an antipope. 5. The man of sin will have an opponent with equal power to him, the authentic Pope and the TLM that he freed up with Summorum Pontificum. 6. The man of sin will not be recognized as the "wicked one" until it suddenly dawns on some people that he is actually the prophesied Antichrist. 7. Those who don't agree with the man of sin will "preserve the dogma of the Faith" and they will be rewarded by God. Now, clearly "Russia" (atheistic communism) has been the instrument of Satan, and has helped the "man of sin" rise to the antipapacy. But St. Paul does not talk about any country in 2 Thessalonians 2. So I think we can conclude that Russia is not the savior of the Church or the elect. St. Paul says that Jesus, not Russia, will defeat the Antichrist. What role Russia plays, beyond being one of the main causes of final trial, is not clear. However, St. Paul didn't think Russia (or any nation) important enough to mention in 2 Thessalonians 2. If my analysis is correct, the Third Fragment of the Secret that I mentioned above would seem to cover all of the essentials, no?
Logically, if, as you admit, that vision was provided to "the Bishop of Leiria in a letter she wrote to him, way back in the 40s," then, by definition, that particular vision would not be an essential part of the Third Fragment of the Secret, which was sealed up in another envelope. If that particular vision was essential to the Third Secret, then Sr. Lucia would not have mentioned it in the letter to the Bishop and it would not have been published later in a book for the world to read.
“Truly the publication of such a message is no longer something to be so much desired.” Pope St John Paul II
I don't believe we are in the final trial of the Church at the time of the Anti-Christ - my take is that we are at the moment living through the Lesser Tribulation which will be followed by a period of peace and then comes the Greater Tribulation, the period of the anti-Christ which is followed by the end of the world. The Lesser Tribualtion period 'mirrors' the Greater Tribulation period in many ways including apostacy but I do not believe we are living in the period of the Great Apostacy mentioned by St Paul. Although called the Lesser Tribualtion what is coming is terrible - it is going to feel like the end of the world. But is is not the end of the world it is the end of an era - We will be rescued by Our Lady because she promised that in the end her Immaculate Heart would triumph and that when this happens a period of peace will be granted to the world. Following that period of peace - there come the Greater Tribulation.
This was a good analysis of the present era that will soon end. https://www.sunstar.com.ph/article/...es-blessed-mother-the-times-will-be-shortened
Hi Garabandal. As far as I can tell, you are confusing the "final trial of the Church" with the Chastisement/Wrath. But this is wrong because the "final trial of the Church" is for the "elect," but the Wrath of God is is not for the "elect" as St. Paul says in 1 Thessalonians 5:9. Yes, the Wrath of God comes after the period of the Antichrist. It is the material/temporal Chastisement that comes just before the Final Judgment. But it (the Wrath/Chastisement) will not be experienced by those who repent at the Warning. The Antichrist is the person who plots to destroy "the Church." This is the final antipope, the false prophet. This is an early sign of the end times, as St. Paul says in 2 Thessalonians 2. St. Paul does not say that the Antichrist comes at the end of that period, but at the beginning of it. The effects of the Antichrist on the true Church are discussed on CCC 677, after mention of the rise of the Antichrist in 675 and 676: 677 The Church will enter the glory of the kingdom only through this final Passover, when she will follow her Lord in his death and Resurrection.578 The kingdom will be fulfilled, then, not by a historic triumph of the Church through a progressive ascendancy, but only by God's victory over the final unleashing of evil, which will cause his Bride to come down from heaven.579 God's triumph over the revolt of evil will take the form of the Last Judgement after the final cosmic upheaval of this passing world.580 578 Cf. Rev 19:1-9. 579 Cf Rev 13:8; 20:7-10; 21:2-4. 580 Cf. Rev 20:12 2 Pt 3:12-13. You are correct that the Period of Peace occurs after a "tribulation." But that "tribulation" BEFORE the Period of Peace is caused by "the Antichrist." At the end of that "tribulation," the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church will experience its "final Passover." The OHCA Church will appear to die, but will be resurrected, just like Our Lord. Then, the Immaculate Bride, Our Lady, will come down from Heaven, which is the triumph of the Immaculate Heart (aka Period of Peace). This is what the Catechism teaches. So the order of things is as follows (for three different classes of people): FOR PURE SOULS AT THE WARNING Antichrist --> Apparent death of the OHCA Church --> Warning -->Acceptance of God's Mercy --> Triumph of the Immaculate Heart/Period of Peace. FOR THOSE STILL IN NEED OF FURTHER PURIFICATION AFTER THE WARNING Antichrist --> Apparent death of the OHCA Church --> Warning --> Acceptance of God's Penance --> Purgatory on earth FOR THOSE IN MORTAL SIN AT THE WARNING AND REFUSE TO REPENT Antichrist --> Launch of the new Synodal Church --> Warning --> Rejection of God's Mercy --> God's Wrath/Day of the Lord/Chastisement
After watching a video that Padraig put up on another thread, one of the suggested videos caught my attention regarding a mystic I have not heard about. This mystic is Teresa Musco from Italy who had the stigmata, was visited by Padre Pio, a victim soul, suffered much at the hands of her father and others and received many mystical experiences. Teresa was born in 1943 and died in 1976 that makes her 33 years of age when she died, this fact is not mentioned in the video nor in the subsequent videos I watched, however it is significant I believe. Additionally she was given messages by Our Lord, Our Lady and her guardian angel, and she wrote these in a diary even though she was illiterate. Amazingly Mary speaks about the reign of Her Immaculate Heart and the time it will occur! According to Teresa Diary this will occur after the second coming of Our Lord in the clouds, after He judges the world. This message is described in the second video posted below! Personally I have secretly believed that Our Lord wants the devotion of His Mothers Immaculate Heart to be the precursor to His second and final coming! And I believe He wants His Mothers Heart to be recognised at His final coming as it will signify the reign of her Immaculate Heart next to the reign of His Most Sacred Heart! So after watching these videos, I wanted to see the true account of what Sr Lucia of Fatima stated in regard to the Triumph of Our Lady's Immaculate Heart, at Fatima and the subsequent apparitions of Sr Lucia. So I have posted Sr Lucia words below as well. The words of Sr Lucia taken from the Home of the Mother site but also repeated on many Fatima sites Lucia revealed on that first occasion that Our Blessed Mother had shown them hell, “where the souls of poor sinners go.” Our Lady had explained: “In order to save them, God wishes to establish in the world devotion to my Immaculate Heart.” She also announced that if mankind did not stop offending God, He would have to punish the world “through war, hunger, and persecutions of the Church and the Holy Father.” “To prevent this,” Our Lady continued, “I shall come to ask for the consecration of Russia to my Immaculate Heart, and the Communion of Reparation on the First Saturdays. If my requests are heeded, Russia will be converted and there will be peace. If not, she will spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions of the Church. The good will be martyred, the Holy Father will have much to suffer, and various nations will be annihilated.” Yet alongside the prophecy of such great sufferings, Our Lady’s consoling promise shines like a light: “But in the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me and she will be converted, and a period of peace will be granted to the world.” This is our hope in the midst of the difficult times we are living, and in the face of the prospect that things will probably only get worse: “In the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph.” (Notice in all renditions of this message of Our Lady to Sr Lucia, a Full stop, is applied after Mary states "in the end my Immaculate Heart will Triumph"! ) The period of peace it seems will occur after the consecration of Russia and the five first Saturday devotions have been accomplished however the reign of her Immaculate Heart will be in the end. We know the end is after Jesus comes the second time. Jesus will, by the breath of His mouth, chain both the antichrist and the false prophet to the abyss of hell forever and He will Judge both the living and the dead. The new Jerusalem will descend from Heaven and a new Heaven and new earth will appear, (this new Jerusalem Our most Holy Mother? )where all tears will be wiped away. I believe this little victim soul Teresa, who like Segatashya Emmanuel of Kibeho speak of the second coming of Christ as very soon!
I just came across the following website which is French but can be translated to English etc. I have not gone through very much of the site yet but I did a search on Fatima and few things came up here.https://vincent-de-tarle.fr/?s=Fatima The whole site looks interesting but it may be a lot of the same that we have read elsewhere. I also did a search on Garabandal and a post came up also.
Not to change the subject but what is the picture on your account? I love that picture of the baby Jesus looking lovingly at Mother Mary and her looking at Him? Is this from a painting? God Bless!
I took a partial screen shot of it on website that is directly associated with Garabandal here it is https://www.garabandalparroquia.com/en/en-union-de-oraciones . Thank you Bernadette because I am going to add another prayer request to them.
