… but what is the Immaculate Heart of Mary?

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  1. Basto

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  2. Mac

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    Interesting what Our Lord has to say here ...Like the King of France they will repent of it, and they will do it, but it will be late

    We have not yet seen any Pope or the Bishops of the world repent.
    Like the King of France they will.And like the King of France it will be when the chastisement is already falling upon us. Then they will repent.
     
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    "but it will be late" made me think of the words of Padre Pio on Garabandal:
    On March 3, 1962, PADRE PIO wrote a letter, in Italian, and sent it to the (4) visionaries of San Sebastian de GARABANDAL, (Conchita, Mari Cruz, Mari Loli and Jacinta Gonzales), in which he states, “At nine o’clock this morning the HOLY VIRGIN told me to say to you: “O Blessed young girls of San Sebastian de GARABANDAL, I promise you that I will be with you until the end of the centuries, and you will be with me during the end of the world and later united with me in the glory of paradise”.

    PADRE PIO goes on to say to the visionaries, “I give you only one counsel: Pray and make others pray, because the world is at the beginning of perdition where Cardinals, Bishops and Priest are on the road to perdition and are taking many Catholics with them. People do not BELIEVE in you or in your conversations with the LADY IN WHITE, but they will BELIEVE when it is too late”.

    Conchita is given the translated letter from Italian to Spanish by her high school language teacher, and she shows the letter to LADY OF GARABANDAL. The HOLY VIRGIN tells Conchita that PADRE PIO sent the letter. Conchita never knew who PADRE PIO was, but a seminarian explained that PADRE PIO was a Capuchin Friar from San Giovanni Rotondo, in Italy.

    Conchita, “eventually” meets with PADRE PIO and finally realizes what a HOLY PERSON PADRE PIO was. Padre Pio’s involvement in the GARABANDAL events, culminated in his being granted a privilege that only one other person had been granted, at this time,—to see THE GREAT MIRACLE before he died.
     
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    Wow!

    For Our Blessed Mother to say (according to St Padre Pio, who would not lie about such things or anything) that she herself the Blessed Virgin Mary, ' promises the visionaries that she will be with them until the end of the centuries, and that they will be with her during the end of the world and later united with Her in the glory of paradise”.

    Therefore one can assume that the end of the centuries and even the end of the world will definately occur within the next 40 years? as the visionaries would all now be in their mid to late 60's and I expect they will not live until they are 110 years of age.

    Am I correct to deduce this?
     
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    Hi Joe,
    Please read my above post, I forgot to press the reply button:oops:
     
  6. Joe Crozier

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    Hi Josephite
    I don't know if your conclusions are correct but they grabbed my attention. I typed up a long possible explanation but deleted it. I was just guessing. I just don't know. But wow if you are right we really don't have much time.
    I get some crazy ideas. For instance Our Lady confirmed to the girls that other intelligent life forms exist beyond earth. We are told that the Warning would be associated with a word beginning with 'A'. I thought it might be Alien. Ajeno in Spanish. Of course that kind of thinking could land me in the funny farm but maybe that is why we have never been told the word: it's just to hard to swallow for most, just too embarrasing.
    What we do know from Our Lady of Fatima is that in the end Her Immaculate Heart will triumph. If this 'end' and the 'end' of the world are the same then it seems our girls from Garabandal will share in the moment of Triumph. For all intents and purposes they have already been declared saints in the making with no possibility of loss. Their place in heaven is assured by the Blessed Mother.
    The BVM could have meant the end of the world as we know it after the continents are destroyed and the axis shifted. This could change the concept of centuries which is the time for earth to orbit the sun. Thus our centuries could end and be replaced by a new time frame. There will be a new heaven and a new earth. The possibilities are endless, just as God is.
     
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    December 2015

    Rome
    Vatican tells Catholics not to attempt to convert Jews.
    Christianity and Judaism are intertwined and God never annulled his covenant with the Jewish people, said the document from the Vatican’s commission for religious relations with Jews.

    Moscow
    Putin initiates law against anti-Semitic Biblical commentary.
    At the initiative of Russian President Vladimir Putin, the Duma (Russian Parliament) has legislated a law outlawing "distorted and/or extremist" commentary of Scriptures.

    What about the Only Way to the Father? And what about Jesus Christ? What about the whole Gospel of Saint John and the Revelation Book?

    Isn’t the Advent the preparation for…



    Oh, right…


    John, Chapter 3
    [36] He that believeth in the Son, hath life everlasting; but he that believeth not the Son, shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

    John, Chapter 8
    [58] Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say to you, before Abraham was made, I am. [59] They took up stones therefore to cast at him. But Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple.

    John, Chapter 14
    [6] Jesus saith to him: I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the Father, but by me. [7] If you had known me, you would without doubt have known my Father also: and from henceforth you shall know him, and you have seen him.

    1 John, Chapter 2
    [23] Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father. He that confesseth the Son, hath the Father also. [24] As for you, let that which you have heard from the beginning, abide in you. If that abide in you, which you have heard from the beginning, you also shall abide in the Son, and in the Father. [25] And this is the promise which he hath promised us, life everlasting.

    And plenty more…
     
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    You know Mac, I’ve always thought that this was, in fact, the scariest sentence in whole Fatima’s manuscripts. If Lucia got it right, God was telling us that He knew in advance that we would refuse His way and we would have to go the hard way. Many of us didn’t noticed yet but the revolution is going on already.

    Our Lord was here making an explicit reference to the requests of the Sacred Heart given through Saint Margaret Mary Alacoque on June 17, 1689 to the King of France. As a result of the refusal of King Louis XIV – as well as the refusal of both his son and grandson, King Louis XV and King Louis XVI – to publicly consecrate France to the Sacred Heart of Jesus, as was requested by Heaven by means of a recognized French Saint of that time, the Protestant and Masonic Counter-Church successfully carried out the great upheaval of the French Revolution.


    On June 17, 1789, (the Feast of the Sacred Heart) exactly one hundred years to the day from when Saint Margaret Mary had written down the great designs of Heaven for the King, the Third Estate rose up and proclaimed itself a National Assembly, stripping King Louis XVI of his legislative power. On January 21, 1793, France, ungrateful and rebellious to its God, dared to decapitate its most Christian King as if he were a criminal. At Rianjo, Jesus warns us that this dark chapter of history will repeat itself, and this time the ministers of His Church – the bishops, and perhaps even the Pope himself – will be among its hapless victims.


    It would appear that this execution of the Pope, "the Bishop dressed in White", together with other bishops, priests, religious and lay people – as if they were common criminals – is what is foretold in the vision of Fatima released on June 26, 2000.


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    In the first dialogue that Lúcia had with Our Lady at Fatima, on 13th of May 1917, she asked if her deceased friends were in Heaven and, apparently, one of them, Amélia, should be in the Purgatory until the “End of the World”. Does that mean we are very near? I don’t know and I don’t think anybody does. The Christians of the first century believed that this “End” was just around the corner but we have been waiting for over 20 centuries…

    Purgatory, in accordance with Catholic teaching, is a place or condition of temporal punishment for the purification of our souls, a time based condition for somebody.

    I don’t know how bad could be an 18 years old girl from a remote village of the Portuguese countryside in the beginning of the 20th century but she is being there for quite a while so far. This “End of the World” is either very near or it has some kind of different meaning that only the three children at Fatima could understand it, like a private revelation.

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    Interception of Virgin and St. Joseph to Trinity for the souls of Purgatory
    Giuseppe Badaracco, 17th century, church of San Pierre, Luri, Corsica
     
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    Did you pick that from that bookshelf Mac?

     
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    I don’t know what kind of water are they drinking there at Rome but they seem to get very confused all the time… There are really good Italian wines though!

    We respect the differences, we respect everybody’s freedom of belief, but this is our God:

    His name is Jesus Christ, our Lord, who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried. The third day He rose again from the dead and He ascended into heaven. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead. And of his kingdom there will be no end.

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    Dreux Budé Master, 15th century

    This is the history of God’s Triumph.

    The Apocalypse Of Saint John (Revelation), Chapter 1
    [17] And when I had seen him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying: Fear not. I am the First and the Last, [18] And alive, and was dead, and behold I am living for ever and ever, and have the keys of death and of hell.



    It will be very difficult to survive in the present storm if there is still have any doubt about this basic issue of faith.


     
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    That is interesting Basto. All new to me . I had never heard of Dali.

    I have heard the Doctrine on hell has saved more souls than any other. And is worth a few minutes thought everyday.

    2) St. Teresa of Avila: “On fire, and torn to pieces”
    The great 16th century mystic and Doctor of the Church claims to have had this experience of hell:

    The entrance seemed to be by a long narrow pass, like a furnace, very low, dark, and close. The ground seemed to be saturated with water, mere mud, exceedingly foul, sending forth pestilential odors, and covered with loathsome vermin. At the end was a hollow place in the wall, like a closet, and in that I saw myself confined. […]

    I felt a fire in my soul. […] My bodily sufferings were unendurable. I have undergone most painful sufferings in this life… yet all these were as nothing in comparison with what I felt then, especially when I saw that there would be no intermission, nor any end to them. […]

    I did not see who it was that tormented me, but I felt myself on fire, and torn to pieces, as it seemed to me; and, I repeat it, this inward fire and despair are the greatest torments of all. […]

    I could neither sit nor lie down: there was no room. I was placed as it were in a hole in the wall; and those walls, terrible to look on of themselves, hemmed me in on every side. I could not breathe. There was no light, but all was thick darkness. […]

    I was so terrified by that vision – and that terror is on me even now while I am writing – that though it took place nearly six years ago, the natural warmth of my body is chilled by fear even now when I think of it. […]

    It was that vision that filled me with the very great distress which I feel at the sight of so many lost souls, especially of the Lutherans – for they were once members of the Church by baptism – and also gave me the most vehement desires for the salvation of souls; for certainly I believe that, to save even one from those overwhelming torments, I would most willingly endure many deaths.https://churchpop.com/2015/10/28/5-saints-who-had-terrifying-visions-of-hell/
     
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    "Some people, even the most devout, refuse to speak to children about hell, in case it would frighten them. Yet God did not hesitate to show hell to the three children, one of whom was only six years old, knowing well that they would be horrified to the point of, I would almost dare to say, withering away with fear." (from Lúcia's Third Memoir)

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    You have a good video about the hell Mac but I couldn't find the link.
     
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    That's it, thank you!
     
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    The Derzhavnaya Icon of the Mother of God
    The Mother of God was in both extremes of the Old Continent in the same year, the Far East and the Far West.

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    On Febuary 13, 1917, the Most Holy Mother of God appeared in a dream to the peasant girl, Evdokia Adrianova, and spoke to her these words: “There is a large, dark icon in the village of Kolomenskoe. It must be taken from there; the people must pray.” On February 26, in a second dream, the girl saw a white church and a majestic Lady within it. The peasant girl decided to search for the church she had seen in her dream. On March 2 in the village of Kolomenskoe, near Moscow, she recognized the Church of the Lord's Ascension as that very church. A diligent search by the girl and the church's rector revealed a large, dark icon of the Mother of God—the very image that had revealed itself to Evdokia in her dream.

    The miracle-working “Reigning” icon of the Mother of God was found the same day on which Tsar-Martyr Nicholas II abdicated the Russian throne— March 2/15, 1917. The Russian Orthodox people accepted this occurrence as a witness that the ultimate authority over and care for Russia had passed to the Heavenly Queen Herself.

    The icon quickly came to be venerated as miraculous; many copies were painted of it, and it was taken to all the surrounding villages, monasteries, churches—even factories— throughout Moscow, and molebens were served.

    The icons' name corresponds to its iconography. The Theotokos is represented as the Queen of Heaven and Earth. Dressed in a green gown and red garments reminiscent of an imperial mantle, She is seated upon a throne, her right hand bearing a scepter, her left hand resting upon the monarchical orb. Upon Her head is a crown encircled by a golden halo. The Infant Christ sits upon her knees, His right hand raised in blessing, His left hand pointing towards the monarchical orb.




    And just three months later...

    On May 13, 1917, the Most Holy Mother of God appeared, for the first time, to three children at Fatima with a message for the World and She used explicitly the word “Russia”. The children didn’t even know what the “Russia” word meant, "We thought it was a very bad woman” (Lúcia’s explanation).

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