The Divine Will

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  1. MMM

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    New age spiritual practices/beliefs didn't even begin until the late 60's and 70's. Trying to associate the words harmony and balance spoken in 1926 by Jesus as new age because that movement adopted those words 50 years later would be an error in my opinion.
    Following God's Will is a main teaching of Christ and the church from the beginning. There isn't really anything new when I read her messages. It's trying to make us understand what it really means better now and how to follow His Will more fully. How few really follow His Will the way God intended. I sure know I don't like I should.
     
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    For those who do not believe that Jesus taught St. Faustina about living in the Divine Will, please read this. It is something I wrote awhile back about both Ft. Faustina and Luisa. If you are interested.
     

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    The modern new age movement did start as said, but the underlying false teachings have been in eastern/pagan mysticism for milenia. Even in Western philosophy it can be found hundreds of years ago ( perhaps most notable in the works of Emanuel Swedenborg) with talk of harmony of modes.

    The message I quoted speaks of the same things these false teachings do (Not to mention the fact that the answer to the posed dilemma is Christ).

    While I agree that following God's Will is Catholoc teaching, the definition and the way we do this is much, much different than the one put forth by Luisa.
     
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    I could not open this file.

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    I admit it could totally be a bad translation, but some of these writings *do* sound kind of almost Hindu-esque in their descriptions of God and how to unite to Him. Not Christian. Again, if this is due to just a poor rendering of these writings into English, ok, eventually a better translation will come out. But frankly, I can see why the Vatican has asked that folks put the brakes on their promoting and studying of these writings until a better, clearer study of Luisa's works can be done by theologians. And linguists. If there are no errors but misunderstandings, ok. If there are errors, that causes difficulties.
     
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    The writings have already been approved and the critical (typical) editions have already been translated. Now we await them into English.
     
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    Mario,
    If you go to my blog, childofdivinelove.blogspot.com, you can go to the post on April 5, 2018 and read what I wrote about St. Faustina and Luisa's writings. It is quite amazing how the two are linked. If you are unable to find it, please let me know and I will send another way.
    God bless you.
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    How come we already have the English translation from yourself!!!


    When you yourself now acknowledge that the English translation is still being awaited?
     
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    This may be nit picking but words are extremely important in these matters. Since the death of St John there are no new revelations. There are understandings or light given on existing doctrines(Our Lady reaffirming the reality of Hell for example at Fatima)
    I think every serious Catholic desires to live in the Duvine Will and I for one ask for this in every Holy Communion that He may increase and I may decrease and that I be consumed into Christ. I consecrate my will to His Divine Will every day and renew it often. I expect most devout Catholics do. I find Luisa's writing difficult to unwrap. So many words! When Lynn recaps them in her own words I see it but even then some of Luisa's revelations are troubling. I have left it with the Blessed Mother. She will lead me where I must go. I wait on the Church's judgement. And then it is still my choice whether to accept it or not and that too I leave with the Blessed Mother.
     
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    Welcome, AED. With approved vs. not approved vs. condemned, it can get murky. Something unapproved may be true, something unapproved may be false. But if Rome has asked us to wait and let them sort things out, it seems best to just wait and let them sort things out. EWTN seems to generally be cautious, charitable, and prudent in how it expresses things and presents info.

    Here's them on Akita;

    https://www.ewtn.com/library/MARY/AKITA.HTM
     
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    Also, this was written in 2017 - the update I posted is from this year and is recent. And, as I said and as EWTN says, the writings have NOT as yet been translated into English. We are still awaiting this. They have been translated and approved from the original texts into a normal Italian language from the dialect of Luisa’s. I hope this makes sense. But, her writing have been approved. Pray for the translation into English to come soon.
     
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    Because as of now we have the translations of Marina who lived in the same area as Luisa and speaks the same dialect. The theologians who translated the writings translated from the original writings of Luisa's. Also, when Fr. Bucci (please pray for him to be well again) visited us in Hanceville, he told us that her translations were the best to read and study. If you do not know who Fr. Bucci is, please look into it. He knew Luisa as a child and his Aunt Rosaria took care of Luisa for many years. There are so many miracles attributed to Luisa that can be confirmed by Fr. Bucci and many others.
    I feel very blessed to have all the volumes and thank Our Lord for them. Also, I have had many confirmations regarding the writings, which I will not go into, but I can say that I have no doubt about them - and now we have the approval in Italian. Just praying that the English translations will come soon. God bless you.
     
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    Thanks, I enjoyed the trip over to the address you gave me.:D:coffee:

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    Yes, and I assume most were very leery of St. Faustina' writings on the Divine Mercy as well. Yet, like the Divine Will it is not hard to find these references throughout scripture. Faustina was the person God chose to use to reveal a deep mystery of his mercy and Luisa was the person God chose to unveil the greatest of all his loves, in not only doing his will, but living in his Divine Will. While I consider myself a novice in this greatest of all graces, I look forward to advancing in this mystery unfolding. Other credible prophecies of our time speak of the need to enter into his Divine Will prior to the great purification, as all who enter the Era of Peace will have learned to live in the Divine Will. I think the Warning will be the biggest grace to lead all the the great fiat within the Divine Will.
     
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    It is well known that St. Faustina's writings had translation issues. Once they were cleared up there were no longer any issues.

    She didn't reveal the great mystery of Divine mercy, but rather like a prophet she called all in our times to the importance of it in today's world and to rediscover it. Here is where the difference lies. It is not a "new" mercy but the same. Luisa's writings, or at least the current translations, teach a new way to live in the Divine Will, in fact all before were not really living in the Divine Will... This is what is problematic and why there is a directive to not promote unauthorized translations.

    As for the "credible" revelations, this is your own opinion and should be stated as such. There is no consensus here as many good Catholics, some very learned, remain very leary of them and your interpretation of how the end times will play out.

    Best to wait until an English translation is approved as the Bishop in charge has insisted, the current translations appear to be lacking.
     
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    Vol. 36, Sept. 5, 1938 - Luisa: “…I was thinking to myself: it seems to me difficult to live in It; how can the creature reach this point? The human weaknesses, the circumstances of life, many times, are too painful; the unexpected encounters, the so many difficulties that one doesn't even know what to do - wouldn't all these things lead the creature astray from a life so holy that it would take a perfect attention not to? And my sweet Jesus, continuing His say with such a tenderness that I felt my heart exploding, added: "My little daughter of my Will, my interest and my continuous yearning for the creature to live in my Will is such that, once we've made the agreement, Myself and her, with a firm decision that she must live in my Fiat - this being My Will - I am the first one who makes the sacrifice to obtain the intent, so that she may live in It. I place Myself at her disposal. I give her all the graces, light, love and the very knowledge of my Will, so that she herself has to feel the need to live in It. When I want something, and she promptly accepts doing what I want, I take care of everything; and when she fails for weakness, for inconstancy or for negligence, not for will, I come to compensate, and I do what she was supposed to do, transferring to her what I did as if she had done it.”

    Abandonment to the Will of God:

    Vol. 13, Oct. 18, 1921 – “…disturbance is nothing other than lack of abandonment in Me, and I want you so abandoned in My arms that you must have not even one thought of yourself; and I will take care of everything.”

    From In Sinu Jesu, When Heart Speaks to Heart -

    “How does one come to that degree of trust? By entrusting to Me very little things, day by day, as they arise, and by leaving them to Me. This was also the wisdom of My priest Don Dolindo. ‘Jesus’, he used to say to Me, ‘you take care of this.’ And then he went his way lighthearted and confident that I would honor the confidence he placed in Me.”

    Fr. Dolindo's prayer: "Jesus, I abandon myself to you. You take care of it."
     
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    I think there is a clear correlation here between the messages written down by Luisa and what is stated by Don Dolindo. However, I do concur that the wording in Luisa's messages demand more patient effort to grasp. As much as I love the Little Flower, I also find that her sweet style of expression requires more patience on my part, too.

    Safe in the Refuge of the Immaculate Heart!
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