Regarding "The one who could have been Peter will become Judas".... this does not have to be the actual Pope... It can also be a cardinal who one day can be "pushed forward" to become a Pope or Peter.....
I was fully expecting MDM to be condemned. I'll say it's about time. For the folks who were here in 2011, remember when Maria posted here a few times under the "warning second coming" thread? For a while after that, whenever someone on this forum would post something negative about her prophecies, the next message she received from Jesus or Mary would be directly related to our discussions here. Someone said in jest that he was expecting Jesus to join the forum at any moment.
Even now, reading the messages, you get the impression of someone rebutting an objection that has recently been made Even if everything goes crazy, Rome goes into meltdown and there is an invalidly elected Pope, I won't be following MDM. Ever.
But if St. Malachy's prophecy is true then this is the last pope and time is short. I spoke to someone I know through a friend last October. He had concerns about Pope Francis and he did not even know about Maria Divine Mercy. Now we see this from April 1st "Francis a complete break from predecessors, conference says" http://ncronline.org/news/faith-parish/francis-complete-break-predecessors-conference-says So if it's not Pope Francis, then who will it be? "Calling the exhortation "ecclesiological dynamite," Mannion said "it is difficult for anyone working in fields such as ecclesiology to reach any conclusion other than the simple fact that on so many of the most important issues, there is very, very little substantive continuity with the ecclesial agenda of Pope Francis' predecessors." "We have entered ... a moment of cognitive dissonance in the church where things are changing rapidly and yet many fear change more than anything else," said Mannion, a senior research fellow at the Georgetown's Berkley Center for Religion, Peace & World Affairs."
"Doyle said a small but key change you can see in Francis' exhortation is his repeated references to the church as the "People of God" -- the phrase used most frequently during the Second Vatican Council -- rather than the "Mystical Body of Christ," the phrase often preferred by Benedict or John Paul II. Francis' focus on the "People of God," Doyle said, evinces "a church on a journey ... a church as yet unfinished." It is a church "that includes everyone, not just the clergy and the vowed religious," he said."" http://ncronline.org/news/faith-parish/francis-complete-break-predecessors-conference-says Why is Pope Francis using "People of God" instead of the "Mystical Body of Christ" to reference the church? (PLEASE SEE MDM'S GOOD FRIDAY 2013 MESSAGE BELOW) I am not surprised seeing this because MDM said that they will remove all traces of Jesus and His Divinity will be denied. June 29, 2013 "To those who do not believe in the wicked plan, which has already been created, in order to wipe out all traces of Me, I say this now. When I Am gone, will you seek Me out? When My Holy Eucharist is defiled, will you make excuses for those responsible? Or will you follow Me and listen to the Truth when you are surrounded by lies" http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.c...the-mass-will-soon-be-presented-in-my-church/ July 15, 2013 "My dearly beloved daughter, I must reach out to My priests, who are now beginning to realise that I Am speaking to the world, through these Messages, at this time. You must be careful. You must adhere to the rules of My Church on Earth, once they remain as they have been and are not changed. Do not feel disheartened, for you have been enriched with the Gift of the Holy Spirit. When you are asked to deny Me, it will be done in a subtle, but deadly way. You will be asked to embrace the doctrine of all religions outside of Christianity. You will be told that this is for the good of all and that this new, all-inclusive approach, is a means to an end – where humanity can finally be united, through peaceful means. All other religions, creeds, faiths and doctrines, which honour My Father, but which do not acknowledge Me, Jesus Christ, will be taken under the wing of the antipope. You, through the power of the beast – as is his way – will be coaxed to embrace your fellow brothers and sisters. All faiths, which honour God, you will be told, are united as one in the Eyes of God. When you object, you will be scolded. When you explain that the only way to God, My beloved Father, is through Jesus Christ, this is what you will be told: “You do not understand that God loves all His children, therefore, by not showing love and compassion for His Church by embracing them – including their faiths – you are a hypocrite.” Now, know this. When you accept that all religions must be embraced as one – that you have to move to one side to show respect to those creeds, which do not acknowledge the Son of man – then you will be guilty of a terrible sin. You will then be denying Me. To those who may be led into this deceit, know that other signs will emerge, which point to one thing – My Divinity will no longer be proclaimed." http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.c...be-asked-to-deny-my-divinity-is-not-far-away/ GOOD FRIDAY 2013 "The Crucifixion of My Body on earth completed the first part of the Covenant with My Father to save mankind. The Crucifixion of My Mystical Body – My Church on Earth – commences today, the beginning of the final persecution, as the Masonic plan to defile My House, will now become clear to all who know the Truth. History will now repeat itself, but the Truth will not be denied. Those who will deny Me, however, will in time turn to Me. Those who know that the prophecies foretold – that My Church will be the final target in ridding the world of all traces of Me, Jesus Christ – are now taking place, will follow Me in My Remnant army. They will remain loyal to My Teachings to the end of time. No one can stop the True Word of God from spreading. No one. The reign in the House of Peter will be short and soon My Beloved Pope Benedict will guide God’s children from his place of exile. Peter, My Apostle, the founder of My Church on earth, will guide him in the last difficult days, as My Church fights for its Life. Your Jesus" http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.c...-guide-gods-children-from-his-place-of-exile/
Prophecy is conditional. From St Michael's World Apostolate: "SUCH IS THE NATURE OF PROPHECY that it is always subject to the freewill response of all human beings: “All prophecy given to you, My children, is conditional to man’s response. Remember this in the days ahead” (Our Lady, September 28, 1976). Heaven can change their mind, and often does, if the response of mankind merits it. We see this in a few prominent examples that Baysiders and others prayed away: ... An excellent example of the conditional nature of prophecy is found in the Book of Jonas in the Old Testament. The Eternal Father sent Jonas to the great city of Ninive to preach the word that “yet forty days, and Ninive shall be destroyed” (Jonas 3:4). Upon hearing this the inhabitants repented, did penance, and turned away from their sins: “And God saw their works, that they were turned from their evil way: and God had mercy with regard to the evil which He had said that He would do to them, and He did it not” (Jonas 3:10). It is through prayer, sacrifice and atonement that the prophecies revealed by Our Lady in Her messages can be delayed, mitigated, or even called off. This truth was revealed by Jacinta, the child seer of Fatima, to Mother Godinho: "If there were souls who would do penance and make reparation for the offenses done to God, and works of reparation were instituted to make satisfaction for crimes, the chastisement would be prevented." " http://www.smwa.org/Message/Text/Prophecy_is_conditional.htm
"In his most significant break with tradition yet, Pope Francis washed and kissed the feet of two young women at a juvenile detention center – a surprising departure from church rules that restrict the Holy Thursday ritual to men. No pope has ever washed the feet of a woman before, and Francis' gesture sparked a debate among some conservatives and liturgical purists, who lamented he had set a "questionable example." Liberals welcomed the move as a sign of greater inclusiveness in the church. ... Previous popes carried out the Holy Thursday rite in Rome's grand St. John Lateran basilica, choosing 12 priests to represent the 12 apostles whose feet Christ washed during the Last Supper before his crucifixion." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/28/pope-francis-holy-thursday-foot-washing_n_2972775.html
1 Timothy 6 10 'The love of money is the root of all evils' and there are some who, pursuing it, have wandered away from the faith and so given their souls any number of fatal wounds. Stay away from career prophets. There is more than enough approved prophecy. She had a need for money and loves money. I wonder how many of the MDM following are actually well versed in the writings of the church fathers and great Saints.
Pope Francis has chosen to highlight the servant-hood of the ministry in washing women's feet in lieu of the long tradition of the feet washing as an outward sign of the ministerial priesthood of men only, which Christ instituted. While I don't like the de-emphasis of the priesthood, it is not a matter of Church doctrine and he has the authority to do such.
All I see here is deflection and desperation. A good defense is a good offensive. If you can't defend the failed prediction prophecies, attack the Pope.
Rangers, you say this is the last Pope. But the prophecy of Garabandal says that there will be 4 more Popes and then the prophecies will start, we will be in the End of Times. This means not that there will be no Pope anymore but that everything will start. Bad things will start. So probably during the time of Pope Francis everything will start and probably Pope Francis will have to flee from the Vatican. We do not know the pressure the actual Pope is under. We do know that he repeatedly ask us to pray for him. And EVEN if the actual Pope Francis might (I say MIGHT) become a Judas, then STILL the messages from MDM are FAKE because there are too many theological errors in it. Also: the Lord does not predict several events to happen while NONE of them came out. NOT ONE OF THEM ! Jesus is NOT A LIAR. Some messages are filled with incredible hate towards those who do not believe in these messages. This CAN NOT come from the Lord. If you think they do, then you do NOT KNOW THE LORD.... I advice you to focus on the real prophets and you will have ENOUGH "food" "and satisfaction" to make all sort of speculations if you wish too. But KEEP AWAY from MDM, except if you want to be guided by theological errors....
To Rangers: Message 14th March 2013 from MDM: “There is to be a particular insult, which will be inflicted upon my Holy Name, in an effort to desecrate Me, during Holy Week.” You say that this message was proven by telling this : "In his most significant break with tradition yet, Pope Francis washed and kissed the feet of two young women at a juvenile detention center – a surprising departure from church rules that restrict the Holy Thursday ritual to men. No pope has ever washed the feet of a woman before, and Francis' gesture sparked a debate among some conservatives and liturgical purists, who lamented he had set a "questionable example." Liberals welcomed the move as a sign of greater inclusiveness in the church". That Pope Francis kisses the feet of women has absolutely nothing to do with "a particular insult that will be inflicted upon His Holy Name. This had nothing to do with HIS HOLY NAME ! Nothing ! And kissing ALSO the feet of women and NOT ONLY OF MEN, is because the Pope wanted to make no DIFFERENCE between the men and women who were at that juvenile detention center. How do you think the reaction of those detained women would be if the Pope only kissed the feet of the men who were detained ?
Ranger. If you think this is the last pope and he is an anti-pope then you really need to read the visions and prophecies of St. John Bosco because they will tell you otherwise. If this is the last pope then what St. John Bosco saw would be invalid. There will be an anti-pope that tries to take the chair of Peter but he will not be a true elected Pope but a false one in the sense that he will falsely try to claim the chair but never be elected. This pope was elected and I fear he is the good Pope that will be slaughtered in the vision of St. John Bosco and thus would also be the true to the vision of a last Pope as seen by St. Malachi. Further it would also hold true to the partial third secret of Fatima that we know about as the pope is murdered: St. John Bosco's vision: Spring 1862 Most of the prophecies associated with Don Bosco came to him during dreams, but just as in Matthew's Gospel where the process of Joseph being instructed by angels during dreams is described it is clear that Don Bosco's experiences were more than the sort of dreams most of us have when asleep. Most of his dreams were concerned with the direction both he and his order, the Salesians, were to take in the future, and in particular with the boys who lived at his oratory in Turin. He would often speak to them just before they went to bed, sometimes predicting that one of their number would die within a certain period, but without indicating which. On 30 May 1862 Don Bosco at his 'Good Night' talk told his boys, and the young clerics he was training, about a dream he had dreamt a few nights previously: he actually described it as a parable or allegory. Strictly speaking a parable is a general story with a deeper meaning, but one in which the points of the story may not all be significant, while in an allegory every detail is important and meaningful. In the case of Don Bosco's dream it is difficult to know just how significant each point is. After some preliminary remarks he went on to describe what he had seen: "Try to picture yourselves with me on the seashore, or, better still, on an outlying cliff with no other land in sight. The vast expanse of water is covered with a formidable array of ships in battle formation, prows fitted with sharp spear-like beaks capable of breaking through any defence. All are heavily armed with cannons, incendiary bombs, and firearms of all sorts - even books - and are heading toward one stately ship, mightier than them all. As they try to close in, they try to ram it, set it afire, and cripple it as much as possible. "This stately vessel is shielded by a flotilla escort. Winds and waves are with the enemy. In this midst of this endless sea, two solid columns, a short distance apart, soar high into the sky: one is surmounted by a statue of the Immaculate Virgin at whose feet a large inscription reads: Help of Christians; the other, far loftier and sturdier, supports a [Communion] Host of proportionate size and bears beneath it the inscription Salvation of believers. "The flagship commander - the Roman Pontiff [the Pope]- seeing the enemy's fury and his auxiliary ships very grave predicament, summons his captains to a conference. However, as they discuss their strategy, a furious storm breaks out and they must return to their ships. When the storm abates, the Pope again summons his captains as the flagship keeps on its course. But the storm rages again. Standing at the helm, the Pope strains every muscle to steer his ship between the two columns from whose summits hang many anchors and strong hooks linked to chains. "The entire enemy fleet closes in to intercept and sink the flagship at all costs. They bombard it with everything they have: books and pamphlets, incendiary bombs, firearms, cannons. The battle rages ever more furious. Beaked prows ram the flagship again and again, but to no avail, as, unscathed and undaunted, it keeps on its course. At times a formidable ram splinters a gaping hole into its hull, but, immediately, a breeze from the two columns instantly seals the gash. "Meanwhile, enemy cannons blow up, firearms and beaks fall to pieces, ships crack up and sink to the bottom. In blind fury the enemy takes to hand-to-hand combat, cursing and blaspheming. Suddenly the Pope falls, seriously wounded. He is instantly helped up but, struck down a second time, dies. A shout of victory rises from the enemy and wild rejoicing sweeps their ships. But no sooner is the Pope dead than another takes his place. The captains of the auxiliary ships elected him so quickly that the news of the Pope's death coincides with that of his successor's election. The enemy's self-assurance wanes. "Breaking through all resistance, the new Pope steers his ship safely between the two columns and moors it to the two columns; first to the one surmounted by the Host, and then to the other, topped by the statue of the Virgin. At this point something unexpected happens. The enemy ships panic and disperse, colliding with and scuttling each other. Some auxiliary ships which had gallantly fought alongside their flagship are the first to tie up at the two columns. "Many others, which had fearfully kept far away from the fight, stand still, cautiously waiting until the wrecked enemy ships vanish under the waves. Then, they too head for the two columns, tie up at the swinging hooks, and ride safe and tranquil beside their flagship. A great calm now covers the sea." At this point Don Bosco asked one of the priests present for his views. He replied that he thought that the flagship symbolised the Church headed by the Pope, with the ships representing mankind and the sea as an image of the world. The ships defending the flagship he equated with the laity and the attackers with those trying to destroy the Church, while the two columns represented devotion to Mary and the Eucharist. He did not mention the death of the Pope and neither did Don Bosco in his reply, in which he agreed with what the priest had said, while adding that the enemy ships symbolised persecutions: "Very grave trials await the Church. What we have suffered so far is almost nothing compared to what is going to happen. The enemies of the Church are symbolised by the ships which strive their utmost to sink the flagship. Only two things can save us in such a grave hour: devotion to Mary and frequent Communion. Let us do our very best to use these two means and have others use them everywhere." Not surprisingly this contents of this dream amazed all those listening, and four of those present wrote down what they had heard. Two wrote the next day, 31 May and two some time later, but all four narratives agree substantially. Such small differences as were found can be explained on the basis that it is impossible to get every detail when remembering and writing a spoken narrative. One point that did cause some argument amongst those who had been present was over whether there had been two popes as commander of the flagship as in the above account, or, as some thought, three. This point was made clearer in 1886 when one of those who had heard the dream recounted in 1862 returned to the Oratory. At dinner with Don Bosco he began to narrate the dream and was quite certain that two popes had fallen, since he was sure that after the first was struck down the captains of the other ships had said, 'Let's hurry, We can quickly replace him'; on the second occasion he maintained that they had said nothing. Don Bosco seemed to back up this version of events by calling attention to what was being said, and so its probable that we are dealing with three popes in the account. Those who had written down the dream were convinced that it was a genuine vision and prophecy, although Don Bosco's immediate aim was probably to encourage his boys to pray more fervently for the Church and the Pope, as well as to indicate the importance of devotion to Mary and the Blessed Sacrament. We may be living part way through Don Bosco's vision, but as in all genuine prophecy before its fulfilment, there is quite a degree of uncertainty and ambiguity, and it would be foolish to attempt to come to definite conclusions at this stage. The important point is the way in which the end of the vision points to what would seem to be the world-wide triumph of the Church, a triumph which will be recognised by all, but one which is only gained after much suffering. The emphasis on the role of Mary, Help of Christians, and the Blessed Sacrament, are also significant especially with regard to the message given at Fatima when Mary promised a period of peace for the world following troubled times, paralleled by the 'great calm' of Don Bosco's dream. Sources: E. M. Brown, Ed., Dreams, Visions and Prophecies of Don Bosco, (Don Bosco Publications, New Rochelle, 1986); Sexton, Dominic Savio, Schoolboy Saint.
