How do I have someone discern my article on http://www.afterthewarning.com john-Sevant of God

http://www.taleswithmorals.com/aesop-fable-the-man-the-boy-and-the-donkey.htm

 

So anyway, firstly to John himself. He is a Deacon, a Catholic in good standing with a Spiritual Director to whom he submits.

I assume as he is a Deacon he has been through Psychological screening. So as a starting point I think it is safe to enough to assume no mental illness or drug problems. I also note evidence of all this being produced.

I think Johns CV (so to speak ) is excellent. If this were not so, (especially if there were no Spiritual Director) I would not have been happy going through this on the forum.

It is true some visionaries have not had Directors (such as the children at Fatima and St Bernadette at Lourdes) but I think for an adult Catholic in such a situation a Director is vital. It gives objectivity and is a huge sign of humility and obedience to the Church. I would say the presence of a Spiritual Director is a must and John has it in capitals with as far as I recall a retired Bishop as Director.

I just started going back over this thread and I was thinking and praying about a lot of the stuff John has written and I have to say I have been struck by John's real humility in all this. I have of course been running this forum for several years now and at times it has been like riding a bucking bronco I come in for so much abuse. So I appreciate seeing someone else like John riding the crazy horse , not falling off or going to get something heavy to hit the horse over the head with. That's humility.

You know nothing ever happens without a reason in the love of God and if God places us on a Wild Horse for a bit, well maybe it is to show folks a little bit more of what is inside of us. In other words its maybe not an accident, as there are no accidents as we know in God...

 

So I have to say with John himself things seem to be very fine indeed, very credible. It reminds me of a Garden , you look at the soil first to see what you can get away with planting. It seems to me that the soil of John's heart is very good and a place where God could indeed plant with a view to growing.

Of course now I am going to get about ten posts telling me how wrong I am.....

But if there are no contrary posts between now and tomorrow I will move unto the messages themselves.

 

Thank you Padraig for a beautiful response. Your discernment seems very on to me. I am somewhat new to this forum. I have been following for sometime, but have never posted. I felt an instant spiritual connection with John when I read his first article on after the warning. I had this same connection with Mark Mallet and Pelianto. I have followed Mark for several years. All of these confirm what I have sensed and seen with with my spiritual eyes through prayer over many years. I have not had the profound concrete visions that John has had, yet somewhere my Spirit already knew these things were coming imminently. I am so thankful to have found others who are aware and discerning what is happening in the Spiritual Realm at this time. Thank you for this forum! Thank you for bringing us together in one place! In the Hearts of Jesus and Mary, Jane

 

Again Fatima and I thinking the same. And I like your response, Padraig. Can't please everyone all the time, very true.

Jane, welcome and I also feel the same as you feel about John and his messages.

Padraig, looking forward to your continued discernment and a heart felt "thank you" and may God bless you for hosting and moderating this forum, bucking broncos and all

 

Well Jan, there is no doubt whatsoever that Mark Mallet is true. A Great Prohet.

I have read the Pelianto messages and feel they may be true, but am not sure as I have not studied up on them.

Its also true that all the true modern messages point in the same direction, from Fatima onwards , which gives us a true sense of direction in contemporary prophecy.

But none of the wicked shall understand [that the End of the Age is upon them]." [Daniel 12:10]

You can thank Our Lady I am only the one she bosses about.

 

You're very welcome.

 

Now to the nitty gritty. Lets concern Johns' messages to the Catholic Teachings and see if their is any discrepancy.

(I don't think there is an issue with John being disobedient to Church authority as he hasn't made the messages public)

I thought to test the messages against the Cathechism I would post them altogether below as I don't wish to have to trudge through this whole long thread again looking for them, also it means they stand and fall on their own without being surrounded by comments.

As we do so , if there are any issues it does not mean a bog nix (necessarily) on the messages it just means its something to take away with to pray and think over. (You know after all these years I still have no idea why Our Lady at Lourdes asked St Bernadette to eat those plants in the grotto and have everyone laugh at her, I suppose now I never will...) . As in all things in life somethings will have us scratching our heads for all Eternity, but it does not mean they bad necessarily. So it doesn't have to be like Custer's Last Stand if their is some little thing that crops up.

So if issues arise it need not be and all or nothing matter.

Anyway I 'll start putting John's messages together into one. It is not, I believe a big volume of writing so it will not take long.

(It is only by the way but I was thinking last night about the Church Commission into Medugorje. Imagine six people ,some of them having daily individual apparitions since right back in 1981. Their must be enough written material to study to furnish a complete library. How on Earth do they do it?...Whereas here I doubt there is more than a page or two)

 

My name is John, and my family and I live in the Texas Hill Country. I was born in San Antonio, Texas and I am happily married to a wonderful Catholic born-again Christian. I have a Spiritual Director with whom I have shared almost all aspects of my spiritual experiences, a journey I humbly attribute totally to the graces of God and Our Lady. It has taken me over 34 years to write what I am going to share with you.

At the very beginning of this journey, I truly did not understand what was happening to me. I have experienced visions, locutions and spiritual instructions by our Blessed Mother. I do not know why the Lord selected me to receive this spiritual information; there are many others so much more worthy.

I ask for anyone that might read this message to remember that all private revelations, visions and spiritual prophecy must be carefully discerned. Satan can try to imitate things that we think are from God. We must be very careful and pray for discernment from the Holy Spirit. We are called to pray, repent of our Sins and open our hearts to God. We must all turn to God with our whole hearts.

I was told by the Lord to wait and not to share the first part of His Plan until now. His Plan for mankind has already started to unfold. At this time, He has given me permission to share some of my spiritual experiences. Evil is running rampant and things have been set in motion. We are in the great Spiritual Warfare that Jesus foretold in the Gospels. World and local events have resulted in the unfolding of God’s plan. It is not a matter of years before this will take place; It has already started now. It will all happen a lot sooner than the world expects.

To give you some background, I am a cradle Catholic who was raised in a poor neighborhood on the Southside of San Antonio, Texas. I attended CCD at Our Lady of the Angels Catholic Church and our teachers were wonderful nuns dressed in full habits. Something within me needed to know more about this man called Jesus and His Mother Mary, whom the nuns told us was also our mother. As I grew older, I had come to the conclusion that the best way to get to Heaven was to join Bingo, Fish Fry’s and other Church activities and attend Mass on Sunday to get a star when I got to Heaven. On Sunday, by my narrow way of thinking, I was doing God a favor by going to Mass. I thought I had all the answers and that I could call on God when I got in trouble. I thought I was a good Catholic and the no

 

#1 - Refuges That Are Now Being Prepared

By Our Blessed Mother and the Holy Spirit


My name is John, and my family and I live in the Texas Hill Country. I was born in San Antonio, Texas and I am happily married to a wonderful Catholic born-again Christian. I have a Spiritual Director with whom I have shared almost all aspects of my spiritual experiences, a journey I humbly attribute totally to the graces of God and Our Lady. It has taken me over 34 years to write what I am going to share with you.

At the very beginning of this journey, I truly did not understand what was happening to me. I have experienced visions, locutions and spiritual instructions by our Blessed Mother. I do not know why the Lord selected me to receive this spiritual information; there are many others so much more worthy.

I ask for anyone that might read this message to remember that all private revelations, visions and spiritual prophecy must be carefully discerned. Satan can try to imitate things that we think are from God. We must be very careful and pray for discernment from the Holy Spirit. We are called to pray, repent of our Sins and open our hearts to God. We must all turn to God with our whole hearts.

I was told by the Lord to wait and not to share the first part of His Plan until now. His Plan for mankind has already started to unfold. At this time, He has given me permission to share some of my spiritual experiences. Evil is running rampant and things have been set in motion. We are in the great Spiritual Warfare that Jesus foretold in the Gospels. World and local events have resulted in the unfolding of God’s plan. It is not a matter of years before this will take place; It has already started now. It will all happen a lot sooner than the world expects.

To give you some background, I am a cradle Catholic who was raised in a poor neighborhood on the Southside of San Antonio, Texas. I attended CCD at Our Lady of the Angels Catholic Church and our teachers were wonderful nuns dressed in full habits. Something within me needed to know more about this man called Jesus and His Mother Mary, whom the nuns told us was also our mother. As I grew older, I had come to the conclusion that the best way to get to Heaven was to join Bingo, Fish Fry’s and other Church activities and attend Mass on Sunday to get a star when I got to Heaven. On Sunday, by my narrow way of thinking, I was doing God a favor by going to Mass. I thought I had all the answers and that I could call on God when I got in trouble. I thought I was a good Catholic and the non-Catholics were going to Hell! (I was ignorant and confused) more to follow ……….

In 1979, at around 2:00 or 3:00 in the morning, my wife woke me up screaming that there was a man dressed like a monk kneeling on the side of the bed; he was praying for me. She pointed to him, but I could not see him. She could not understand why I could not see him, so she turned on the lights and continued to point to this man praying by me. I thought either my wife was going nuts, or some unnatural man (ghost) was next to me. A few months later, I saw my wife coming towards me looking much shaken, as if she had seen a ghost. She told me that she had seen a holy card of the monk that had been praying for me at the side of the bed. She showed me the holy card, and it was Padre Pio.

I called my Pastor, Father Flanagan, and I explained to him what had taken place earlier that morning. He listened and told me that he would pray for me. I felt something within me that was seeking answers Father Flanagan directed me to go to a prayer group at St. Henry De Oso Catholic School on Wednesday evenings. When I walked in, I thought that I had entered into the holiness of God. I saw over 300 people raising their hands to heaven and praising God. They were singing in a beautiful language that I did not understand. The room was full of love and joy. I had never experienced this in the Catholic Church. My wife and I joined this prayer group, and could not get enough of Holy Scriptures. I asked the leader of the prayer group, Dan De Celles, if I could help in some way. He gave me the job of setting up the chairs before the start of the prayer group. After seeing the faces of my new brothers and sisters, I asked God to please give me what they had.. The only prayers that I knew as a Catholic was the Our Father and the Hail Mary; I needed and wanted more,

On a personal note, after returning from Vietnam, I was very troubled and traumatized. I had also been unemployed for some time, and was struggling mightily with myself as well as the practical reality of making a living. I felt like giving up and asked God to take me home to Him. One bleak day, as I was sitting down in my backyard, my heart started to beat very fast and I could not breathe. I felt like passing out. I thought I was dying, and asked my wife to drive me to St. Vincent De Paul Catholic Church. I remember the nuns telling us that the best place to die was in front of the Blessed Sacrament in church, and that is what I wanted to do. When we arrived at the church, Father Flanagan was walking a German Shepard dog in front of the church. When I opened the door of the car, I saw the person of Jesus in front of me. I was startled; I looked into His eyes and He stretched his hands out to me, as if asking me to come to Him.

I turned around to tell my wife and Jesus disappeared. I asked Father Flanagan if he had seen a man in front of the Church and he indicated that he had not. I was puzzled.. I went inside the church and looked for Him but could not find Him. I prayed to God for direction and help. I remembered that my mother used to light a candled after she prayed in church. I did not have any money, but I lit a candle and made an IOU for $1.00. I did the same thing every day for 7 days and nothing happened. I became upset, and said to myself: if I cannot find Jesus in my Church, I will go to other churches and look for Him. I left the Catholic Church and went to various non-Catholic churches. I was so desperate that I even went to a witch doctor, visited the Masons and others similar groups.

After seven months of searching I found Jesus. I was in my den and praying for direction. Suddenly, there was a beautiful presence of holiness around me. I fell to my knees, and started crying because I knew how much I had offended God. I heard God say that I had been like a black onion, and that it had taken all this time to remove the many peels from the onion. The onion peels were my sins. He showed me that as onion peels were removed, one at a time, I was being cleansed until there was nothing left except for my dust. I saw my dust in His hand, and he blew the dust and told me that I was ready to serve Him. The problem was not the Catholic Church; the problem was me. He was only 16 inches from my nose. He dwelt in my heart.

After that experience, I asked Father Flanagan to be my Spiritual Director, and he agreed (he is now a retired Bishop). He instructed me in various ways, and encouraged me to apply to the Permanent Deaconate Program. I was ordained in 1982.

After my encounter with the Lord, my life started to change. I became very involved with the Charismatic Prayer Group. In a Charismatic Prayer Group there is a time for Prayer, Praising, Song and Prophecy. A prophetic word came forth from my lips that I did not understand as I was seeing the Blessed Virgin Mary walking and blessing us in the group. The night this happened, the prayer group leader told me that the Lord had spoken to him and told him that I, John, was to take over as prayer group leader. Dan had been prayer group leader for over 20 years; I tried to tell him that all I knew was to put up chairs for the prayer group. He told me not to worry, but to put my trust in God and ask Our Lady to guide and teach me. Again, I fell to my knees, and could not stop crying because I did not know what to do. The next morning, I called my Spiritual Director, and he told me to pray to the Holy Spirit and Our Blessed Mother for guidance.

As the new prayer group leader, I immediately called the Archdiocese Charismatic Liaison to the Archbishop, Father Enda. I told him that, as the new leader of the prayer group at St. Vincent De Paul, I was offering our help. I read all that I could on being a Christian leader, and sought out Catholic seminars. I found out that in the 125 parishes in the Archdiocese, we only had 5 Prayer Groups. I was invited to a dinner meeting in the evening to meet with the other prayer group leaders and was overjoyed because now I would learn from them. I saw them in prayer and rejoicing in the Lord, but my desire was to learn more about God. Dinner was over, and we said our goodbyes.

As I had forgotten my Bible inside, I went in to get it and encountered Father Enda, who asked me what I thought of the meeting. It was difficult for me to say this to a priest, but I told him that I had a good dinner, but needed and wanted more spiritual nourishment. He asked if I had any ideas or suggestions of what to do, and I said that maybe I did. He asked if I could meet with him in the morning at St. James Church.

 

That night I went home and prayed for direction as to what the Lord wanted me to say. I started to receive messages and directions as to what needed to be done. I wrote them on three 4 x 5 white boards. I was at St. James Church, and met Father Enda at 9:30 am. He greeted me warmly, and we prayed before I presented to him my ideas and suggestions. I started my presentation which lasted almost an hour without a response from Father Enda. I assumed that I had messed up. He was quiet for about 10 minutes, and then he got up from his chair, came over to me, took my hand and told me “Welcome, John you are now the Director to the Charismatic Renewal for the Archdiocese and you will be my assistant”. Eventually, Father Enda and I were two of 800 people selected throughout the World and were asked to go to Rome for a Renewal Conference. The Archbishop gave us a letter to the Vatican for an audience with St John Paul II. I also had the honor of meeting Mother Theresa

Once again I was guided to pray before the Blessed Sacrament and asked for direction of what God wanted from me. I asked the Holy Spirit and Our Lady to help and guide me. Something had changed within me. All fear was gone and the Spirit of the Lord was upon me. I received a message that the Lord wanting His children to come together for a weekend in San Antonio. He was telling me to invite both Catholics and non-Catholic Christians. He wanted us to rent the largest arena in San Antonio, Texas. We rented the arena where the San Antonio Spurs played. We had no money, but we knew that God was in control. We formed a Core Group to pray for discernment and counsel. The Lord had given me the Scriptural passage John 23:17: “Father that they all be one as You and I are One”.

We agreed that I would visit all 125 parishes and speak to each group. I was amazed but not surprised that the Holy Spirit and Our Lady were leading us. Our convention was to take place on Pentecost weekend. We had no idea who was going to show up. We had 800 volunteers from all the 125 parishes and other non-Catholic churches. We were amazed as to what took place. There were many healings, conversions, miracles and reconciliation with fallen-away Catholics. 18,000 people showed up!

There were many other miracles, revelation and visions that were taking place in my life to prepare me for was to take place in the future.

I shared the lengthy testimony above to show the context of the revelations I am about to share:

Places of Refuge:

1. When I attended the prayer group at St. Henry the Oso School, I was asked to attend a Life in the Spirit Seminar. I happily agreed. It is a seven day seminar that teaches us about our Church, Our Lord and the Holy Spirit. When hands were laid on each person attending to receive the Holy Spirit, all the participants received various gifts as indicated in 1 Corinthians 12:1-11. I did not receive anything.

2. There was a tremendous joy among all of the attendees, but I was disappointed in thinking that I did not receive one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit. I was still happy but somewhat puzzled by this.

3. After the seminar, the following morning an event took place within me that took another turn in my spiritual life. It happened in the fall of 1979, between Comfort, Texas and the Texas Hill Country.I am a construction contractor, and the morning after the Life in the Spirit seminar, I had an appointment at the VA Hospital in Kerrville, Texas. As I was driving and praising the Lord, all of sudden I began to pray and sing in a strange language. I felt a tremendous peace and love all around me. It seemed like someone else was driving my truck and I was just along for the ride.

4. The Lord then spoke to me, and showed me a vision of the future-a revelation of coming events. Most of what was shown to me on that day I did not fully understand. The Lord told me that the Hill Country in Texas was going to be a “Refuge” for the future, and that I was going to play a part in His Plan. He indicated that it was Our Blessed Mother and the Holy Spirit who would be preparing these refuges for the time of horror and death that was coming. He said that many people would come from the East, the West, the North and the South. It would be a place where no sin would exist, and that his Holy Presence would be our protection. The area was very large, and thousands of people would be guided by Our Lady and the Holy Spirit to gather in this area for sanctuary and for protection. He indicated that there would be many refuges throughout the earth to save God’s people from harm and to prepare for the coming of His Son. He stated that there would be seven persons that he had selected for the preparation of this place of refuge, and those individuals would be selected and anointed by God himself. He told me that if I looked for these persons that I would not find them. At the unfolding of His Plan, I would know them by their Spirit. The Lord also told me that I would be moving to the Texas Hill Country in the future, and that one of my Spiritual Directors, Fr. Enda, would also be sent there. Through a series of God-incidents, we have indeed moved to the Texas Hill Country as has Father Enda.


5. There is much more to share, but I was told not to disclose certain revelations until I am told to do so. The Lord said that I would walk alone for many years, and that I must be like an ordinary but good brother to my brothers and sisters in Christ. He indicated that the time coming would be similar to the time of Joseph, but much worse.


6. As I was praying in front of the Blessed Sacrament: Our Blessed Mother appeared to me in a locution. In prayer, I was lifted up into the sky. It seemed like I was in space or near the moon; I could see the earth completely black. I asked Our Lady why the earth was completely black. She responded that the BLACKNESS was the SIN of man covering the earth. As we were dropping down towards the earth I saw small white lights in various parts of the earth. The largest was in the Texas Hill Country. She told me that these white lights were Refuges that She was preparing to protect God’s children from all the evil that would surround us. She told me that the Black areas would be destroyed and world had to be clean before the coming of her Son. The refuges were for God’s people that were to enter into a New Era Of Peace. She showed and continue to explain what needed to take place.



7. There are many other revelations that I have been shown, but was told to keep to myself until I am told to disclose them. What I am sharing with you is currently taking place or developing rapidly. My family and are now living in the Texas Hill Country. My Spiritual Director, after 20 years of not seeing each other, has been sent to our parish. The words and messages that I was shown/ told are coming to pass without any personal effort or steering on my part. We have encountered other people, and even some pastors, that have received the same or similar messages, and have moved to this area. I have been asked to speak in various locations about Jesus, and have travelled all over the country when invited.


Comment in Closing: I have a deep feeling that the Holy Spirit and Our Lady are telling us to come together, and share with each other what we sense and know is coming. My sense is that we need to establish a central point of contact and information for the coming times. I ask that anyone who might read these messages please discern all that I have shared. May all praise and glory be to God, and may Our Blessed Mother continue to pray and intercede for us.

Pray, Pray Pray…….

 

Still checking to find all John's writings... I was in a bit of quandary about whether or not to include John's comments on his messages along with the messages, but decided better not; it would only muddy the waters...unless his comment(s) directly illumine any issues that may arise.

 

Do you think we should now have a new thread with John's messages? This one has taken a different turn and anyway I think it would be good to have all his messages/testimony in one place where people could find them 'at a glance'?

 

All of Johns writings (upto the current article #6) can be found at his? site www.afterthewarning.com as John himself has told us.

 

I know, but as Padraig is posting messages here, I thought it might be a good idea to have them in a dedicated place.

 

Afterthewarning is not John's site but is the place he is posting his articles and I bet #7 will be on there Friday since the guy who runs the site said he would be away until Friday.

 

I will go ahead and start a thread with just John's messages to date to make it easier to have the first 7 at least all in order.

Padraig if you want to move it or don't want it please feel free to do so.

 

No it's alright so long as they are all in the one place. It saves me the trouble myself.

I did not realise there was so many of them.

 

Andy kindly put together all John's messages on another thread , which was Handy of Andy.

http://motheofgod.com/threads/deacon-john-martinez-jr-messages.6300/#post-64827

I suggest we pray together and keep reading and rereading the messages as a whole for a few days without comment and asking the Holy Spirit to assist us .

It is helpful the way the messages are in parts. So then after looking at the whole to get and overview I think as a schema we could go through them article by article testing them against scripture and the the teachings of the Church.

Then in a positive sense reviewing them to see what support we can find for them in Scripture, the Teachings of the Church, and contemporary Catholic prophecy.

Finally an overview of any issues and a final general discernment and may be even a poll would be fun.

This may take a little while.

But lets pray at the outset for the help of the Holy Spirit.

Come Holy Spirit, fill the hearts of your faithful and kindle in them the fire of your love. Send forth your Spirit and they shall be created. And You shall renew the face of the earth.

O, God, who by the light of the Holy Spirit, did instruct the hearts of the faithful, grant that by the same Holy Spirit we may be truly wise and ever enjoy His consolations, Through Christ Our Lord, Amen.