Russia to be Consecrated?

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    Truly an answer to fervent, long-suffering prayer. Thank God and His holy mother.
     
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    On March 25, "Arise Holy Russia"
     
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    Unbelievable!!!!!!! Praise GOD!
     
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    This is wonderful news. Does anyone know whether Pope em. Benedict will join the consecration? Does anyone know how to contact him, I couldn't find any working email address or a phone number of Mater Ecclesiae (to call to find out about an email address).
    God bless!
     
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    While Pope Francis has surprised us, it lends more credence to an interesting viewpoint outlined in today's Catholic Thing by David Carlin:

    https://www.thecatholicthing.org/
     
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    Amen!
     
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    I think that Carlin's assessment of the Pope is fairly accurate. What he omits and I notice that many others fail to mention is the evil practice of developed nations linking legalised abortion and other perversions to foreign aid. They haven't promoted euthanasia in Africa yet but that's only a matter of time. Europe is already a continent of geriatric nations where the old are increasingly seen as surplus to requirements with euthanasia being promoted as the merciful solution to the skewed age demographic. The flood of immigrants to the US has maintained a reasonably balanced age demographic there. That may well be a factor in the abortion promoting US politicians encouraging the flood of young immigrants across their Southern border, Given time, they will unleash their full evil agenda on Africa and the poorer Asian countries. The practice of linking abortion to the fight against poverty began in Russia. It certainly didn't end with the fall of the Soviet Union and Russia is no longer front and centre in its promotion.

    I had another look at what Our Lady told Sr. Lucia about the conversion of Russia. The Blessed Mother said that it would happen at a time chosen by God. God's time is not our time. I was hoping that this consecration would bring a sudden conversion. Now I'm not so confident. The aim of the consecration seems to be an end to the conflict. Nobody involved is mentioning Russia's conversion. I watched Kevin Symons speak about Fatima to Michael Lofton, He said that Sr. Lucia believed that Russia's conversion didn't mean a conversion to the Catholic Faith, but a conversion from communism. His explanation for this change in Sr. Lucia's understanding seemed to be that the adult Sr. Lucia had a more mature discernment of the message than the ignorant child she was when Our Lady gave her the messages. I think that's a load of crap and that Our Lady wasn't engaging in Lofton's favourite word "nuance".

    I still believe that Pope John Paul's consecration was accepted in Heaven and that the fall of the Soviet Union gave us a period of peace with the threat of a world war removed. I don't believe that Russia has been converted. I do believe that it will happen, but in God's time. Maybe this consecration will hasten the day but that doesn't appear to be included in the intentions for the Consecration.
     
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    To be fair to him, I think Pope Francis has brought up the subject of cultural colonialism more than once and his attitude to abortion in the West might be one of assuming it's gone to Hell in a hand-cart already.

    Increasingly, it's obvious that Russians will need to convert to Catholicism, which in religious terms is rather a small step, as they're much closer to us doctrinally than are Protestants, but remaining detached from Rome leaves them vulnerable to the wiles of a Church that has for too long identified with the State and has led them into all sorts of trouble and here we go again.
     
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    I wonder what will cause Russia to convert to Catholicism? The consecration is obviously what needs to be done for that to occur...but what, specifically, will be the thing that causes a whole nation to convert quickly? Surely it must be some kind of miracle?
     
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    Yes, he has denounced cultural colonialism but his actions speak more of condemning crony capitalism than the anti-family issues that go hand in hand with it. If he truly believed that the West is a spiritual write-off, he wouldn't be hastening its demise by holding up the likes of Fr. James Martin and Emma Bonino as role models. I believe that he means well where Africa is concerned but his apparent blind spot where today's purveyors of abortion and depravity (Biden, Pekosi, et al) contradicts whatever are his good intentions. Shortly after the consecration, the Vatican will host Anthony Fauci, Chelsea Clinton and others for a mind, body soul love-in. That's not an act of someone who believes that God and only God should decide who gets the opportunity to know love and serve Him here on earth. Jesus ate with sinners. He didn't invite Herod or Caesar to promote their policies to the disciples

    When we think of Russians, what comes to mind are people not unlike Ukrainians, Germans or other Northern Europeans. I watched recently a German documentary (DW News) from 2021 about post-Soviet Russia. I was amazed at how ethnically diverse are the people in the various states. Many are very far from us both culturally and in religious terms, and that's not counting the former Orthodox Russians who have retained their atheistic beliefs.

    Something tells me that the conversion of Russia will come after heavy crosses for the Russians. If this consecration doesn't avert a nuclear war, Russia will lose that war and there will be great hardships and suffering before any conversion.
     
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    I'm just trying to convince myself that the proposed Consecration might shine a new light on the darkness that apparently lies at the heart of Pope Francis, but like David Carlin, I wasn't gambling on it!

    The ghouls headed for the Vatican is depressing. Please God, Our Lady will intervene after the Consecration.
     
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    Inevitably, it will primarily be a miracle, but disillusionment with the political machinations of Patriarch Kirill and his Church might be a factor. It is not inconceivable that genuine bishops within Russian Orthodoxy might be the first to reach out.
     
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    This is exactly what I feel will happen. I think the world through this Ukraine war has seen the other side. The hidden side of the West’s perversions. Something priests and bishops for too long have ignored because it wasn’t nice to speak of. I think this war will bring an orthodox revival back into the Catholic Church in Eastern Europe. And through the sufferings of both Ukraine and Russia will come the salvation of the world. And we are going to need their strength to tackle what is coming and here. CHINA.
     
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    Wasn’t that back in May 2021?
     
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    Was it? Someone sent me a text message about it taking place in April. I assumed they meant next April. Thanks be to God it is over and done with because I shudder to think what might befall the world were he to follow a consecration to the Immaculate Heart of Mary with yet another display of grovelling to Satan's minions. I'm praying for the conversion of Russia because that's what Our Lady asked of us all those years ago. When those prayers are answered, I think it's only a matter of time before a converted Russia will be evangelising us, starting at the top because right now it appears that that's where the need of conversion is most urgent.
     
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    I was wrong about the ghouls being hosted at the Vatican next month. Thanks be to God that Halloween event is in the past. And thanks to Brian for pointing out that it happened in 2021.

    Yes, consecration can only increase God's grace in the world. It's a win, win for us irrespective of how it works out, be it by way of some spectacular event or the Holy Spirit working silently in the hearts of men.
     
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    Two reactions:

    1) Woo hoo!! Yay! Yahooey! :D:ROFLMAO::D

    2) So just wondering - and maybe I’m
    On the wrong thread - if the consecration is done and done according to how our Holy Mother requested - what does that do to the warning that some were saying would be either this year or 2024? (n)
     
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