Cardinal Pell Died

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    Putin appears to be doing the same thing, murdering people like crazy. Although in his case he doesn't even pretend he just has them thrown out hotel windows.

    I still have many, many questions about the death (murder?) of Pope JP 1.

    Why?

    His first job, he said was to look into Vatican money things.

    This may have been what got him stiffed. A good, saintly man but maybe a little bit innocent. He had no idea with whom he was dealing with.
     
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    I agree.
     
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    It is all coming out in the wash.

    Evil that was hidden coming out into the Light.

    The same thing with poor, poor Pope Benedict. Who knows what these wicked, wicked people were up to with that poor, poor gentle soul?

    Time will tell.
     
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    And...he had been brought on board to investigate Vatican finances and was beginning to get to the bottom of an ugly mess when "suddenly" he was forced back to Australia on false accusations. And the finance scandal faded away...for a time.
     
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    Doesn't look like a man just about to die (this video was made after his hip surgery)?

     
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    At this point I wouldn't be surprised if he was removed by these evil tyrants but I sure hope not.
     
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    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-catholic-church-must-free-itself-from-this-toxic-nightmare/

    Cardinal George Pell
    The Catholic Church must free itself from this ‘toxic nightmare’

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    Shortly before he died on Tuesday, Cardinal George Pell wrote the following article for The Spectator in which he denounced the Vatican’s plans for its forthcoming ‘Synod on Synodality’ as a ‘toxic nightmare’. The booklet produced by the Synod, to be held in two sessions this year and next year, is ‘one of the most incoherent documents ever sent out from Rome’, says Pell. Not only is it ‘couched in neo-Marxist jargon’, but it is ‘hostile to the apostolic tradition’ and ignores such fundamental Christian tenets as belief in divine judgment, heaven and hell.

    The Australian-born cardinal, who endured the terrible ordeal of imprisonment in his home country on fake charges of sex abuse before being acquitted, was nothing if not courageous. He did not know that he was about to die when he wrote this piece; he was prepared to face the fury of Pope Francis and the organisers when it was published. As it is, his sudden death may add extra force to his words when the synod meets this October.

    Damian Thompson

    The Catholic Synod of Bishops is now busy constructing what they think of as ‘God’s dream’ of synodality. Unfortunately this divine dream has developed into a toxic nightmare despite the bishops’ professed good intentions.

    They have produced a 45-page booklet which presents its account of the discussions of the first stage of ‘listening and discernment’, held in many parts of the world, and it is one of the most incoherent documents ever sent out from Rome.

    While we thank God that Catholic numbers around the globe, especially in Africa and Asia are increasing, the picture is radically different in Latin America with losses to the Protestants as well as the secularists.

    With no sense of irony, the document is entitled ‘Enlarge the Space of Your Tent’, and the aim of doing so is to accommodate, not the newly baptised —those who have answered the call to repent and believe — but anyone who might be interested enough to listen. Participants are urged to be welcoming and radically inclusive: ‘No one is excluded’.

    What is one to make of this potpourri, this outpouring of New Age good will?


    The document does not urge even the Catholic participants to make disciples of all nations (Matthew 28:16-20), much less to preach the Saviour in season and out of season (2 Timothy 4:2).

    The first task for everyone and especially the teachers, is to listen in the Spirit. According to this recent update of the good news, ‘synodality’ as a way of being for the Church is not to be defined, but just to be lived. It revolves around five creative tensions, starting from radical inclusion and moving towards mission in a participatory style, practicing ‘co-responsibility with other believers and people of good will’. Difficulties are acknowledged, such as war, genocide and the gap between clergy and laity, but all can be sustained, say the Bishops, by a lively spirituality.

    The image of the Church as an expanding tent with the Lord at its centre comes from Isaiah, and the point of it is to emphasise that this expanding tent is a place where people are heard and not judged, not excluded.

    So we read that the people of God need new strategies; not quarrels and clashes but dialogue, where the distinction between believers and unbelievers is rejected. The people of God must actually listen, it insists, to the cry of the poor and of the earth.

    Because of differences of opinion on abortion, contraception, the ordination of women to the priesthood and homosexual activity, some felt that no definitive positions on these issues can be established or proposed. This is also true of polygamy, and divorce and remarriage.

    However the document is clear on the special problem of the inferior position of women and the dangers of clericalism, although the positive contribution of many priests is acknowledged.

    What is one to make of this potpourri, this outpouring of New Age good will? It is not a summary of Catholic faith or New Testament teaching. It is incomplete, hostile in significant ways to the apostolic tradition and nowhere acknowledges the New Testament as the Word of God, normative for all teaching on faith and morals. The Old Testament is ignored, patriarchy rejected and the Mosaic Law, including the Ten Commandments, is not acknowledged.

    Two points can be made initially. The two final synods in Rome in 2023 and ’24 will need to clarify their teaching on moral matters, as the Relator (chief writer and manager) Cardinal Jean-Claude Hollerich has publicly rejected the basic teachings of the Church on sexuality, on the grounds that they contradict modern science. In normal times this would have meant that his continuing as Relator was inappropriate, indeed impossible.

    The synods have to choose whether they are servants and defenders of the apostolic tradition on faith and morals, or whether their discernment compels them to assert their sovereignty over Catholic teaching. They must decide whether basic teachings on things like priesthood and morality can be parked in a pluralist limbo where some choose to redefine sins downwards and most agree to differ respectfully.

    ‘Enlarge the Tent’ is alive to the failings of bishops

    Outside the synod, discipline is loosening – especially in Northern Europe, where a few bishops have not been rebuked, even after asserting a bishop’s right to dissent; a de facto pluralism already exists more widely in some parishes and religious orders on things like blessing homosexual activity.

    Diocesan bishops are the successors of the apostles, the chief teacher in each diocese and the focus of local unity for their people and of universal unity around the Pope, the successor of Peter. Since the time of St Irenaeus of Lyon, the bishop is also the guarantor of continuing fidelity to Christ’s teaching, the apostolic tradition. They are governors and sometimes judges, as well as teachers and sacramental celebrants, and are not just wall flowers or rubber stamps.

    ‘Enlarge the Tent’ is alive to the failings of bishops, who sometimes do not listen, have autocratic tendencies and can be clericalist and individualist. There are signs of hope, of effective leadership and cooperation, but the document opines that pyramid models of authority should be destroyed and the only genuine authority comes from love and service. Baptismal dignity is to be emphasised, not ministerial ordination and governance styles should be less hierarchical and more circular and participative.

    The main actors in all Catholic synods (and councils) and in all Orthodox synods have been the bishops. In a gentle, cooperative way this should be asserted and put into practice at the continental synods so that pastoral initiatives remain within the limits of sound doctrine. Bishops are not there simply to validate due process and offer a ‘nihil obstat’ to what they have observed.
     
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    None of the synod’s participants, lay, religious, priest or bishop are well served by the synod ruling that voting is not allowed and propositions cannot be proposed. To pass on only the organising committee’s views to the Holy Father for him to do as he decides is an abuse of synodality, a sidelining of the bishops, which is unjustified by scripture or tradition. It is not due process and is liable to manipulation.

    By an enormous margin, regularly worshipping Catholics everywhere do not endorse the present synod findings. Neither is there much enthusiasm at senior Church levels. Continued meetings of this sort deepen divisions and a knowing few can exploit the muddle and good will. The ex-Anglicans among us are right to identify the deepening confusion, the attack on traditional morals and the insertion into the dialogue of neo-Marxist jargon about exclusion, alienation, identity, marginalisation, the voiceless, LGBTQ as well as the displacement of Christian notions of forgiveness, sin, sacrifice, healing, redemption. Why the silence on the afterlife of reward or punishment, on the four last things; death and judgement, heaven and hell?

    So far the synodal way has neglected, indeed downgraded the Transcendent, covered up the centrality of Christ with appeals to the Holy Spirit and encouraged resentment, especially among participants.

    Working documents are not part of the magisterium. They are one basis for discussion; to be judged by the whole people of God and especially by the bishops with and under the Pope. This working document needs radical changes. The bishops must realise that there is work to be done, in God’s name, sooner rather than later.
     
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    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article...y-at-this-pontificates-theological-direction/

    Cardinal Pell’s righteous fury at the Vatican’s theological direction
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    Cardinal Pell, a former head of Vatican finances, does not criticise Pope Francis directly in the piece he’s written for The Spectator. But it was the latter who instituted this ‘synodal way’ which, according to Pell, ‘has neglected, indeed downgraded the Transcendent, covered up the centrality of Christ with appeals to the Holy Spirit and encouraged resentment, especially among participants’. Pell states quite plainly that the whole process – which began with a ‘consultation’ of the laity in which only a minuscule proportion of the world’s Catholics took part – is in the process of being rigged. The synod’s participants will not be allowed to vote and the organising committee’s views will be passed on to Pope Francis ‘for him to do as he decides’.

    That phrase goes to the heart of the matter. Pell describes this arrangement as ‘an abuse of synodality, a sidelining of the bishops, which is justified by scripture or tradition’ and ‘liable to manipulation’. But abuse and manipulation by whom? The Synod on Synodality is Francis’s pet project. Its undemocratic proceedings reflect his own desire to ‘do as he decides’, as Pell puts it, pointing out that there is not much enthusiasm at ‘senior Church levels’ for the exercise. Given that he was once a member of Francis’s ‘cabinet’ of cardinal advisers, we can assume that Pell had indeed been talking to very senior figures – not necessarily all of them as trenchantly conservative as him.

    This is the last public statement by a hugely influential cardinal who was once part of the Pope’s inner circle. Put simply, it expresses righteous fury at the theological direction of this pontificate, hinting that it is betraying Christ himself. And, by a sad coincidence, it appears in the same week as Archbishop Gänswein’s revelations that Benedict XVI in retirement was horrified by his successor’s suppression of the Latin Mass and, also suspected that it was based on a bogus consultation. Given these developments, one wonders for how much longer the wider Church will be prepared to allow an embattled Francis to ‘do as he decides’.
     
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    Cardinal Pell died very suddenly and unexpectedly in Rome shortly having this article printed in, 'The Spectator'.

    It does make you wonder. He appeared to have been in very good health.
     
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    I don't know if he was murdered or died of natural causes, but the fact that it's seriously plausible speaks volumes. At least he got his last theological opinion out. He might have released it on the back of a premonition of death, natural or otherwise.
     
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    Just been reading about Cardinal Pell's death in Father Z. In the comments, a poster who is very regular and for whom I have great respect pointed out that God may be, pre-Tribulation, gathering in the good, whom He deems worthy of being spared. Also, very plausible. Hang on to your hats.
     
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    I know there have been many, many false warnings in the past, which is not good. Nevertheless there is certainly something brewing in the wind. It can be felt all around us.

    The most recent message from Medugorje talks about God being about to send us something from Heaven.

    If I had to make a wild, wild guess I would say this March. I expect people to start getting warnings in dreams shortly. I think God is very good mannered, so to speak, I would expect widespread personal warnings to be sent. A kind of amber light before it turns red, so to speak. TO let people get to confession and such like An act of kindness and mercy.

    May God's Holy Will be done now and forever.
     
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    There days are so very,very strange. I feel like I am living in a dream, that the things I see all round me are really happening. Long, long ago when I was young myself and my Spiritual Director talked about these days to come. But it is one thing to talk about them but quite another to actually witness them coming to pass. Events like the Great Apostacy.

    It is not really a bad feeling for I know it is a Huge Blessing from God to be chosen to live in these days. Nevertheless it is unsettling.

    It reminds me of the grey looming feeling we get just before a Great Storm comes. A brooding silence, a waiting..so strange...
     
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    I believe this is exactly what is happening. I was thinking about Cardinal Zen, the images of him at Pope Benedict 's casket were profound.
     
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    Agree completely. That was my first thought actually.
     
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    Yes. A saint mourning another saint. Both white martyrs.
     
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    Yes.
     
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    So well said Padraig, the last paragraph really says it all.
     
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