Fr Malachi Martin interviews with Bernard Janzen.

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I respect your view, as I respect you and everyone here.
God bless!

 

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I hesitated a lot before answering you, brother, and I ended up shortening my answer because there are things that are too intimate and difficult to express. This may seem like arrogance on my part, but what I said about the Holy Mass is much more than my view, it is much more than my belief, it really is the Truth. In fact, regarding this matter I have no right to a view, because it was shown to me by God Himself in the most extraordinary, astonishing, beautiful, powerful, mystical, sensorial, real, intimate way during about 4 seconds after Holy Communion some years ago. Obviously, this experience was valid only for me and for those who believed in me, I told very few people about it, so I suppose you're right and it can be considered by others as my view and I hope that God provides this experience to many more people. I think He will, so many people deserve it much more than me... I recently heard about an alleged new revelation from Father Laffineur about Garabandal that made me think a lot about this my personal experience. I already searched here on the forum but didn't find anything about that.

God bless you, Michael.

 

I'm now into the fourth volume of these interviews. I find that Father Malachi is eminently orthodox, very knowledgeable and was obviously a great reader of the signs of his times. He was very aware of what was happening in the Church at that time. He makes the very helpful distinction between the institutional church, which he regarded even then as lost to a den of apostates and homosexuals and the Church which is the Mystical Body of Christ. He advises, no matter how bad the former gets, the latter will remain impeccable and it is this Church against which the Gates of Hell will not prevail. He points out that at the time of the Apostles and the Martyrs, there were no institutions. No cathedrals, churches, schools, universities, seminaries, chanceries and so on. They were just members of the Mystical Body of Christ. Yet, they brought the Faith to the ends of the known world.

He described Annibale Bugnini as 'an evil man'.

 

I think this is a crucial point - the distinction between the two churches.

Maybe some of us have gotten too attached to the institutional church.

Maybe, just maybe, the institutional church is gone and will never rise again.

In fact Jesus may have hinted at exactly this through his great apostle John in Revelation 21.

21 Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride-beautifully dressed for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God.4 ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’ or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”

5 He who was seated on the throne said, “I am making everything new!” Then he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.”

22 I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.

23 The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp. 24 The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it. 25 On no day will its gates ever be shut, for there will be no night there. 26 The glory and honor of the nations will be brought into it. 27 Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.

 

Fr. Martin was in the process of writing a book before his demise , about this institutional church you aptly posted: "Primacy: How the Institutional Roman Catholic Church Became a Creature of the New World Order". Now that would have been a 'read'. I'm sure his long time friend Rob Marro could say more about this.

https://fathermalachimartin.blogspot.com/2013/10/primacy-how-institutional-roman.html

 

There is no difference, it is one Church in this physical form in which we know it as an institution established again by Jesus Christ and in that spiritual sense in communion with God and the mystical body of Christ.

It would be similar to say that there is a difference between Jesus as a man and Jesus as God in the form in which we saw him on Earth. He never ceased to be God when He walked the Earth, but He was also a man in human form. An inseparable fact.

The Church as an institution was founded by Christ, as soon as he appointed Peter as the first pope and successor, he established the hierarchy. He gave them a mission and a plan, go and spread the faith, preach, baptize, evangelize...
This constitutes an institution, a clear purpose with a clearly defined plan.
Of course at the center of that is Christ, that spiritual invisible force that connects everything and because of which the Church as an institution will not and cannot disappear.

 

The 'Church' that we see around us is unquestionably an institution. However, it is plausible that that part of it which consists of heretics, atheists, apostates and satanists is no longer categorisable as the Church founded by Christ. As this heretical institution becomes increasingly dominant, where can one say that the Church exists except among those loyal faithful who comprise the Mystical Body of Christ? This latter will still remain as the Institution which represents Christ on Earth.

 

I am continuing to read these interviews. On the whole, Fr Malachi Martin got so very much right. What he described back in the nineties has largely come to fruition. He is generally very traditional and utterly direct. If only all our priests could be like him. He can be very severe, but considering what he was so keenly seeing happening all around him, severity was the appropriate response. No point in being nice when things are falling asunder. He was probably too harsh about the Novus Ordo Mass. I think the general view here is that the NO is valid, when said sincerely. In the later interviews, he modified his views of Pope John Paul II, becoming very critical of him, indeed. I think he came to judge John Paul far too harshly. Goodness knows what he might say about the present incumbent!

 

I think i remember hearing from MM that JPII did not believe MM was of his church, which reduced MM to tears. My guess is JPII got MM all wrong and the results can be seen today. JPII got many things wrong.

 

JPII got many things wrong, but he got far more things right. It must also be taken into account, as Fr Malachi repeatedly said himself, that JPII was surrounded by a hostile Vatican bureaucracy and conglomeration of world bishops that basically refused to obey him. He was against altar girls, yet the world's bishops ignored him and brought them in anyway. He was against Communion in the hand, yet the world's bishops ignored him and brought them in anyway. I remember the chaos that followed the papacy of Paul VI. I was a young sinner and no good Catholic, by any means whatsoever, in those days, but I could still appreciate and, deep-down in some graced niche, rejoice that JPII steadied a sinking ship and was, himself, a very holy man. Nobody's perfect. Peter himself made repeated and enormous mistakes. But Peter's heart and soul were in the right place and he eventually came through, quite magnificently. JPII might not have been of that grade, but I think he did alright. I need say nothing of the present man, but Pope Benedict stands accused of leaving us in a right soup and has, in my opinion, far more questions to answer.

I think Fr Malachi identified the exact point where it all went pear-shaped. It was when the proposal was about to be presented to Vatican II to put the world's bishops on the same level of authority as the pope ("collegiality"). By God's grace, Paul VI was given advance notice of this proposal, allowing him the opportunity to shoot it down. Paul VI chickened out, allowing the bishops to completely undermine the authority granted by Jesus Christ to Peter. Now, we are where we are. All this comes from Fr Malachi's account. He should have directed his venom upon Paul VI, not the man helplessly trying to repair the wreckage.