Fr Malachi Martin interviews with Bernard Janzen.

I was tortured by this fear of invalid Masses. And having no access to the Latin MSs i thought I was in an impossible dilemma.i went to retreat given by an FSSP priest. I had to travel a distance so I get there thd night before. I was in the chapel begging Our Lady to help me. To send me a priest. A second later a priest appeared!!! It was the priest who was doing the retreat! He too had arrived a day early. I asked him if NO was valid in spite of the change of many to all. He was a Latin Mass priest. He said absolutely yes. The words This is my Body and This is my Blood is all that is needed along with proper bread and wine and the priest intending to do what the Church intends.

I have great regard for Malachi Martin and perhaps in the early days with all the excesses and experimentation it was not always valid but is valid now if the priest intends what the Church intends and bread and wine are proper and the words of sacrifice are said.

 

Exactly! I have been through this agony. It IS valid and if properly said it has been valid.

 

Father Malachi said that if the worst came to the worst and the Consecration was not valid, those who received the unconsecrated bread and wine would be in material idolatory. But, they would have no guilt. They would have been deceived and let's assume that God, in His Mercy, would not deny them the sanctifying grace they assumed they were entitled to. Any priest, however, who knowingly said invalidating consecratorial words would, according to Fr Malachi, be guilty of formal idolatry, which is very grave, indeed. Unpleasant as it all sounds, it seems very likely that Fr Malachi had the right of it.

 

I would love to know if he had a more positive view of the contemporary Orthodox Church or the Catholic Church in its post-conciliar phase.

 

So far, I have read of no opinion of his regarding the Orthodox Church. The interviews transcripted by Bernard Janzen were recorded in the early '90's and his opinions of the state of the Catholic Church as it was in the United States at that time could not be described as very positive.

 

I am a great admirer of Malachi Martin, who I consider one of the most brilliant minds of the 20th century, with an absolutely captivating communication style. I believe he actually had access to the missing part of Fátima's secret. But some caution is needed in relation to Malachi Martin. It is necessary to distinguish from his words what is part of the Church's magisterium and what are mere personal opinions, many of them spontaneous in the midst of improvised dialogues. In this case of doubt regarding the legitimacy of the Blessed Sacrament in the Novus Ordo Masses, he was obviously wrong and could lead many people into the same serious error.

 

I would think you are correct. His exaggeration could perhaps be traced to what was understandable outrage at what were unquestionably egregious interference with the Lord's words; a change so drastic that a Pope had to reverse it. Of course, as you point out, these are interviews, not theological treatises, but I find the interviews very revelatory and helpful in describing the situation in which we find ourselves.

He isn't all fire and drama. In advising how we should critique a pope, he is a model of sober restraint (although I wonder how he would react to what we are faced with, in the case of Pope Francis)!

 

I think that some of his mistakes are exaggerations of his intelligence, they may be due to the fact that he is an extremely intelligent person with an ever-expanding mind that sometimes went too far... I don't know if this makes much sense, since that Augustine of Hippo did not have the same problem with his great brain.

 

His testimony about Pope John XXIII fainting (in astonishment) when reading the third secret manages to be proof that testifies for and against this pope at the same time.

 

If I am not mistaken, all Portuguese-speaking countries have unfortunately maintained the mistranslation of the missal for decades regarding "for all" - "por todos" instead of "por muitos" - even after the correction asked by Pope Benedict XVI. I suppose it will now be even more difficult to change given the recent popularization of Pope Francis' new ideological slogan "All, all, all!"

It's still a valid Mass with a valid consecration!

 

I agree with what you're saying here, but for a very long time I knew no better. So that was my "cognitive fix"...... I can still feel the joy of the gears clicking into place.

 

I came across a youtube channel with a playlist of Malachi Marin interviews. I managed to listen to most of the first video which is a few hours long and now I can't remember the name of the channel.

In one of the interviews which was recorded shortly after the election of Pope John Paul 1, Fr. Martin spoke about Pope Paul V1. He may as well have been describing Pope Francis. Fr. Martin didn't like Pope Paul's leniency towards progressive priests especially those who believed in Liberation theology. He was very anti-Marxist so most likely would have been a strong critic of Pope Francis reaching out to those priests especially the one who had made arrangements to have himself euthanised and to have a priest in attendance beforehand. On the other hand, Fr. Martin remarked that the Church needed to put more emphasis on God's love. I got the impression that he wasn't best pleased with Humane Vitae but I may have misunderstood him.

Fr. Martin was a bit of a mixed bag (aren't we all?). I didn't like his failure to correct the interviewer who introduced him as a former priest. Fr. Martin was well aware that he will be a priest for all eternity. He also seems to have been rather pompous in one of his earlier interviews. Then again, the interviewer was also quite pompous so maybe that was to suit the target audience of the programme.

May God rest his soul.

If I can find that youtube channel with the playlist, I'll post a link on the forum.

 

Valid, but professing words put in Christ's mouth.

Of course. God isn't going to allow anyone to be at a loss from innocently (and powerlessly-what were the laymen in the pews to do with this rampant and toxic clericalism?) being denied their due.

 

As usual, Fr Malachi Martin stimulates varying opinions. However, I think he's worth reading because he introduces a fresh perspective on events current to him; and while some of his reactions might have been over-the-top at those times, many of those fears and exaggerations seem eerily appropriate to what has come to pass in our own time. Maybe, he was very perceptive of the consequences of actions.

Regarding Whatever's fears of a softness on his part concerning Humanae vitae, I have yet to read anything of that kind in the Janzen interviews, but I have read his eloquent defense of priestly celibacy which displays an attitude to sexuality which would seem incongruent with artificial contraception. Could it be that his reference to God's love was a criticism of Pope Paul's humanistic tendency? As for the latter, by his fruits shall we know them; he presided over an unprecedented collapse of the Church and, but for Cardinal Ottoviani, would have liquidated the Mass. He's a saint, but I guarantee you, I, for one, will never pray to him. On the other hand, Father Malachi thought that Pope John Paul II was the genuine article-oh, he criticised JPII as well, but didn't question his holiness or good intentions. I think Fr Malachi was a good representation of the 'fighting Irishman' cliche.

 

Are there any Eucharistic miracles in Portuguese-speaking countries?

 

If you go into your viewing history you should be able to find it.

 

I don't know about other Portuguese-speaking countries, but in Portugal, as far as I know, the only Eucharistic miracle traditionally recognized by the Church is that of Santarém, which happened many centuries ago.



But there are certainly others that never became known. Not long ago, during the homily at a Sunday evening mass, I had the good fortune to hear a priest recounting a Eucharistic miracle he that he knew up close.

 

I use the Brave browser and as far as I know it doesn't store viewing history. Anyway, I found the channel with the playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLd-cQMyzpCstfz5B-cw9sSBOtUxHX91xq

Here's the first video that I referred to in my previous post. At about two and a half hours into it, Fr. Martin talks about Pope Paul V1. He also gives some insights into what goes into choosing a Pope. At about the 3 hour mark he talks about Humane Vitae. I hope I didn't give the impression that he opposed Church teaching on contraception because he didn't. Rather, he seemed to be of the view that the Church put too much emphasis on matters relating to sexual morality at the expense of other more pressing issues. I could have misunderstood him because I do other things while listening to videos, otherwise I'd fall asleep.

 

Thank you!

Santarém is a famous, scientifally tested and Church-approved eucharistic miracle. Just like Lanciano for Italy, Santarém has been a huge blessing for Portugal, and for the entire world, bringing people to the Faith.

As you indicated, the Santarem miracle occurred in the Middle Ages, in a Traditional Latin Mass setting. I understand from you that there are no Church-approved or scientifically confirmed eucharistic miracles in Portugal that occurred in a Novus Ordo setting.

God bless!

 

Right, Michael, but the conclusion is not mine... The Holy Mass is the Holy Mass, regardless of the different rites and their forms.