VACCINES

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  1. andree

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    “The approval of Johnson & Johnson’s COVID-19 vaccine for use in the United States again raises questions about the moral permissibility of using vaccines developed, tested, and/or produced with the help of abortion-derived cell lines.

    “Pfizer and Moderna’s vaccines raised concerns because an abortion-derived cell line was used for testing them, but not in their production. The Johnson & Johnson vaccine, however, was developed, tested and is produced with abortion-derived cell lines raising additional moral concerns. The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith has judged that ‘when ethically irreproachable Covid-19 vaccines are not available … it is morally acceptable to receive Covid-19 vaccines that have used cell lines from aborted fetuses in their research and production process.’[1] However, if one can choose among equally safe and effective COVID-19 vaccines, the vaccine with the least connection to abortion-derived cell lines should be chosen. Therefore, if one has the ability to choose a vaccine, Pfizer or Moderna’s vaccines should be chosen over Johnson & Johnson’s.

    “While we should continue to insist that pharmaceutical companies stop using abortion-derived cell lines, given the world-wide suffering that this pandemic is causing, we affirm again that being vaccinated can be an act of charity that serves the common good.”
     
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    I came across this great article on risk benefit of taking the vaccines. A must read imo, if your still not sure, and at least we know what risks there are then and can make an informed choice.

    Synthetic mRNA Covid vaccines: A Risk Benefit Analysis ...

    'With a vaccine based on untested technology and safety trials still ongoing, is it safe to take the shot? And does it work? And does a disease with an IFR of 0.2% even justify that risk?'

    https://off-guardian.org/2021/02/22/synthetic-mrna-covid-vaccines-a-risk-benefit-analysis/
     
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    I agree, Padraig. Just steeped in the deaths of the unborn. That’s an unavoidable fact, an unavoidable bottom line.
    Flee the vaccines.
    Even with the vaccines for other diseases, you must request an ethical vaccine substitute. The only vaccine that does not have an ethical substitute is the one for measles, mumps, and rubella.
    By ethical, I mean, no association with aborted babies.
     
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    I agree HH, unethical, full of risks with little benefit as per article I posted above. If enough people make a stand against this gene therapy, coercion isn't so easy on the part of the authorities. May the good lord strengthen us on the road ahead.
     
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    Amen
     
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    I'm sharing this article as part of the information that we can share and meditate on. If this is true, we've reached a very high degree of chaos.

    Pfizer demands governments gamble with state assets to secure vaccine trial
    https://www.thebureauinvestigates.c...mble-with-state-assets-to-secure-vaccine-deal
    https://www.wionews.com/world/how-p...na-and-brazil-in-exchange-for-vaccines-366037

    The gist of the article is: most countries offer pharmaceutical companies exemptions from legal liabilities in case of future lawsuits. But poor countries can't afford to do this as they have no funds for these payouts and the article claims that poor nations are being asked to sign over sovereign assets to pharmaceutical companies as collateral! In one of the articles, the assets cited are "embassy buildings and military bases as a guarantee against the cost of any future legal cases".

    Why would Pfizer need military bases? Are they doing this for someone else or is it part of a bigger picture? Catherine Austin Fitts has been saying since the beginning that a large part of the aim of this crisis is to permit a huge land grab by Mr Global. And here it seems that the pharma corporations are in on it too, like gangsters.

    Let us pray that none of this comes to pass. Lord, wake up your people!
     
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    That was so wrong to yell at you! She can disagree and discuss, but to yell at you! No...
    I expect push back at not getting the vaccine, but not to be yelled at. Do these same doctors yell at women who say they want a abortion? The ones that scream “ my body, my choice,”....no, they don’t. They call it choice....a choice where it is certain that a life will end with this “ choice “. So, please doctors, save your outrage for another patient. It’s my body, my choice!
     
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    Yes, I thought that the rage stemmed from the “ fetal tissue “ comment as well. Pathetic!
     
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    I thought Maria Esperanza said it would begin in Venezuela....? She was from Betina Venezuela
    and they had a economic collapse well over a year ago. The people who had previously live a prosperous lifestyle much like the USA, were leaving Venezuela because they were starving. Political unrest and a nation that melted down in chaos.
    When this occurred, I thought that this was the sign that indicated that as Maria said, “ it will begin here”, meaning Venezuela. Then, the virus....what next?
     
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    You're right! I got confused with that one. Well there goes that theory (which I deleted from my post).... but still it's an increase in evil towards the poorest nations. Thanks for the correction.
     
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    Absolutely Brilliant I am going to see if I can get my sons to listen to this sermon
     
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    It’s hard to keep these straight...I get them mixed up myself. I just remember this one in particular because when I watched Venezuela collapse, in my heart, I felt that the trials would begin. It does appear that Maria was right...doesn't feel so good to see this confirmed..
     
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    You're right Beth, Venezuela's collapse started things and Maria was certainly right.

    Here is a great discussion with the wise Fr Cristino Bouvette about the importance of conscience in this decision

     
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    This was very good, thank you andree. This is the struggle that my parents are dealing with; if Pope Francis and PE Benedict had the vaccine, then it's all good. I also know many who got the vaccine to protect vulnerable loved ones because PF said they should. Fr. Christino made an excellent point when he said, "The Pope is not your conscience." Unfortunately many Catholics will never be able to trust their own consciences.
     
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    Thanking God, right now. My mother along with 5 of her siblings (all in their 80's and 90's) made appointments for today to get the Johnson & Johnson vaccine. :eek:
    Well she called yesterday for my input, because she is aware that I won't be jabbed. Well it seems another sibling told them it was aborted babies. :cool: They called their priest and he said that it was morally acceptable for this vaccine to live.:barefoot:
    I explained that the Uncle is more correct, but if they felt the need to get the vaccine they were better off with Pfizer or Moderna. :(
    They cancelled their appointments.
    Now my husband is telling me I should have stayed out of it and let them get the shot.
    Oy vey.
     
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    GOOd on you MC. Our bishop has emphatically come out against the J and J vaccine.
     
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    Yes, I also explained that there were several bishops around the country against it and speaking out.
     
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