Prophesy - GSWYL

Your last statement implies I am engaging in deception. You are the one weaving your own web, not me. We both will answer to God.

 

Why do you go to threads on this forum to harass what you do not understand and believe in? I am surprised that you and others have not been banned for doing as much. Other good and faithful long time contributors have unfortunately been banned, but the naysayers/harrassers remain. A sign of the times I suppose.

 

Respectfully, by attending gatherings of 50 or more people, by talking about miracles you claim to have seen and to have been involved with (as a conduit or whatever), by instructing listeners in aspects of Catholic practice--those blessed oils--you are in fact inviting people to pray with you. It is a natural response to the message you carry.

 

Fatima I am with you on this and I don't even know Verne personally.

At this point Christy and Frodo we get it. Your job is to be sure we all know how to properly discern. Please let it go before you drive good people away with your bullying.

To Verne stay true to the faith. Your reward is in Heaven.

God's peace for the world.

 

This is your own opinion. I am at peace with God and myself.

 

I believe Frodo is as sincere in belief as you are.

There's no bullying, 9 Pines. There's no attempt to drive good people away. This is the second time you have appeared here to level that charge. I doubt you are familiar with the past discussion that has gone on. This is an extremely serious subject, and deserves more than drive-by comments.
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Just because I am new to the forum does not mean I have not read past information. In fact I spent my first weeks of membership reading previous posts and I learned much.

I do not provide drive by comments.

I am happy to leave the forum in favor of other sites that don't allow this type of behavor.

We would not be here if we did not know how serious these subjects are.

 

I’ve appreciated the questions and concerns brought up by Frodo and Christy on this thread. It really shouldn’t be up to random people on a forum to ask these questions but since the messages haven’t been tested through the church it is what it is.

 

Indeed, 9Pines, I see you have posted 10 times,

None of these comments seems to do more than scold. They were all posted within a few days of the start of your active posting, less than a week ago. They didn't ask questions, they didn't offer information, they were not helpful to discernment. So, I think I'll stay with "drive by" as a descriptor.

 

Please do not attempt to diminish the validity of 9 Pines post by referring to her thoughts as “drive by comments”. She has as much right to comment as you do; without her thoughts being belittled.

 

See the response to 9Pines above. We all have our opinions, but 9Pines showed up and let loose, in virtual terms. That is not in keeping with John's request for civility on this thread, is it? It is a struggle, but I believe almost everyone has managed to maintain that.

Edited to add: 9Pines has already logged off, four minutes later. Thus, 'drive by' isn't a completely incorrect description.

 

There is no harassment on my part, Verne is free to answer the questions. But time and time again he does not. I posted proof of his position - from his very postings here on the forum - and he simply stated he doesn’t agree despite the proof. Well - it’s all here from his own postings.

I did not make any of this up and have acted charitably throughout. Let him answer the questions if he wishes.

My points are valid points using Catholic norms of discernment. Nothing I post is in spite or being uncharitable.

I would appreciate being treated as charitably as well. It’s one thing to disagree with me, but quite another to accuse me with no basis.

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And you too Fatima go silent when questioned with challenging questions regarding these “messages” as well. Are we going to ever get an answer how Satan will come back to harass the Church and end human history when Christ’s Church all has immortal glorified bodies?

 

Verne, do us all a favour and block Frodo, then you won't be exposed to the constant arrows of doubt he fires at you. It is a pain in the butt to see the constant yaw di ya di ya at you. As if everyone else on the forum is stupid and incapable of making their own mind up about what they see and hear.

One post is enough from Frodo or any other doubter to raise a red flag about any messages or visions, so we can discern for ourselves. The constant barrage is like Chinese torture. Bless you Frodo, but you don't half go on.

 

To everyone:
We are 1 week from celebrating Christmas. It is time to leave this discussion and concentrate on what is important, the birth of Jesus into the world. Also like the angels said the the shepherds: Peace on earth goodwill to men.” This I wish for everyone on this forum.

 

Thank you Dr. Degenais. I too wish you and your family a healthy and loving Christmas. God bless you.

 

Frodo asked pertinent questions. Since when have unanswered questions been classified as "arrows of doubt"? There would be no need for anyone to be blocked if the questions were answered. Last time I checked, this was a discussion forum. If it has changed to a publicity site for any and all self-proclaimed prophets, I missed that announcement.

The question about glorified bodies is a serious red flag, and hoping to have the questions buried beneath a slew of posts thanking Verne for his prophesies or trying to deter Frodo from asking them is very bad form.

I don't believe for a minute that Verne received or is receiving messages from Heaven for the world. I clicked on the thread to find out whether he is still promoting his friend's self portrait as a picture of God the Father.

Thank God for people like Frodo who have the patience to persevere. Better to seek clarity than to take as Gospel truth messages from every self-proclaimed prophet who happens along. Verne probably believes that he is getting messages from Heaven, but his evasiveness doesn't pass the smell test. When St. Paul warned us to test prophets, he made no exceptions for members of this or any other forum.

 

Well, I don't know who is or is not receiving messages from Heaven or Hell or anywhere in between. I don't think it will change the Faith I have been handed down from the last two thousand years duration.

I notice Verne thinks the angels announced "Peace on earth goodwill to men." Now we know it was more like "Peace on earth to men of goodwill." And there is a world of difference between the two. But who am I to judge. God knows he meant well, so do I.

 

Thank you, Frodo and Christy, for remaining steadfast in your faith and Loving to all. I have been watching this thread and waiting to see whether your crucially important questions will be answered.

As Catholics it is our duty to make sure that those who claim messages for the world, do at least adhere to the basic protocols and teachings required by Our Catholic faith.

Praise be Our Lord Jesus who has warned us, along with countless church fathers and church doctors that when the ac arrives, he will seduce many. Servant of God Bishop Fulton Sheen states the ac will be seen as a great leader who will report and also show great signs and wonders, and he will be able to fool many of the elect.

So, we must be prudent! Prudent in all things.
St Padre Pio said..."Love and prudence must walk together as sisters! Love has legs but she is blind and she could fall into a trap, however Prudence has eyes and can see the dangers ahead, this is why, the two must walk together as sisters."
We are especially graced with Our Lords Church built on the rock of Peter, providing the means of prudence for us in matters that involve prophecy.

We must all pray that we and our Catholic brothers and sisters will not be seduced by any dubious messages, nor succumb to any threats; by always standing strong in our Faith.

We are living challenging times with many threats on the horizon! Standing firm in our faith, will be hard to do at times, especially if one will be referred to as a naysayer for not accommodating the NWO or the Great reset! Additionally, it will be made harder to stand strong in the faith if we are condemned by fellow Catholics for exercising due diligence.

IMO the example set by Frodo and Christy, of prudent assessment, humility and filial love are inspiring.

 

I felt your post was a beautiful solid doorway to bring out just where Verne is coming from, and why it is important to practising Catholics to have clarity on these supernatural matters when claims are made.......until the last line, which put a fly in the ointment from a Julia perspective.

Ah well, such is life. So we are back to the bunion in that Spanish onion and the bull fight still goes on.

 

Julia, I agree that there has been overkill here. Regardless of what one believes about the origin of Verne's messages, the case was made very early in the thread concerning the measures taken by the Church to discern messages.

You wrote, As if everyone else on the forum is stupid and incapable of making their own mind up about what they see and hear.
I agree with you.

I mentioned that awhile back. After the presentation of the information about how the Church handles cases, the rest was predatory. IMHO