It will start with France…? (Widespread riots and chaos)

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  1. PNF

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    Marie-Julie Jahenny's prophecy is an allegorical riddle. It uses the names of real people and places as part of the allegorical pattern. But one must read the prophecy in a non-literal manner. So, what I'm saying is that the prophecy is not actually saying that a ruler with the name "Henri" will be the great Catholic Monarch of France.

    Again, etymologically "Henri" means "ruler of the house." So the prophecy is saying that "the ruler of the house of the Cross" (that is, the real Holy Pope) is the true temporal ruler of "France" (guess who that country name is a reference to...could it be "Francis"?).

    The house of the Cross is the Roman Catholic Church. The Lady of the House is Mary. The Ruler of that House [i.e., the "Henri"] is Joseph. Could that be a reference to Joseph Ratzinger? Remember the prophecy of St. Pope Pius X (about a Pope with his name). Pius X's given name was Giuseppe which is Italian for Joseph. Note also that the prophecy the Pius X occurred during an audience with representatives of the Franciscan Order.

    These rulers names are being used in a figurative way. See this quote from the prophecy:

    Marie-Julie: "I see Saint Louis in glory. Before he had a throne in the world, but today he has a throne in Heaven. He never sullied his throne.” (That is, his rule was without blemish, he was a just and holy ruler that pleased God.)

    "But since then," says this good Saint Louis, "how many blasphemies, how many perjuries on this earthly throne! I come back to reconcile Heaven and earth."

    Marie Julie: "You will reconcile France with the Heart of Jesus.”

    Saint Louis, (King of France): "I want France [i.e., the synodal church of Francis] to abjure her errors. Mary Immaculate gives me power and grace. Through my prayers I will give France a new baptism and then I will re-establish her throne. I will bring her this beautiful palm to the centre of this throne and my brother in Jesus Christ (i.e. the Great Monarch to come) who will govern her will preserve his innocence and purity, and Jesus and Mary will bless him, will bless his charity and his great heroic faith!"​

    The name "Louis" is French form of the German name "aloisius," which happens to be the middle name of Joseph Aloisius Ratzinger.
     
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    I quote from the Marquis de la Franquerre, Marie Julie's Biographer and close companion.

    'For a long time in France, we thought the Count of Chambord was the Great Monarch announced by Prophecies ..that God had destined him to save France...

    But as early as 1877, Our Lord announced the death of the the Count of Chambord, because, unfortunately, France refused her salvation and Our Lord complained:

    'I wanted to give France a King whom she refused. '


    And on 24th August 1183, He announced the death of the Prince who has just died..Our Lord says:

    'No more hope for the Word! France has not merited the one who was to save her, God has taken him away from the Earth. First Punishment!'
     
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    But God it seems has a Plan B. The Great Monarch will still come. Just a different Great Monarch.
     
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    I've just been reading all about this today. Absolutely fascinating and so sad that France ruined the amazing gift God was trying to give them with King Henry V!
     
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    I was listening to the French National Anthem the other day, it is perhaps the most beautiful in the World maybe after the Russian. The version I watched is the one they used to put on French National TV at close of day. I love the lady who sings it.

    But if you listen to the lyrics they are very violent and blood thirsty. It echoes the setting up of the First French Republic. The Republican were very, very brutal towards Catholics and the Catholic Church, often conducting mass murder.

    Arise, children of the Fatherland
    Our day of glory has arrived
    Against us the bloody flag of tyranny
    is raised; the bloody flag is raised.
    Do you hear, in the countryside
    The roar of those ferocious soldiers?
    They’re coming right into your arms
    To cut the throats of your sons, your comrades!

    To arms, citizens!
    Form your battalions
    Let’s march, let’s march
    That their impure blood
    Should water our fields.

     
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    The book suggests that General De Gaulle after the Germans were thrown out at the close off the Second World War was in bed with the Free Masons and let them take over the joint; which would explain much if it is true.I am not sure if it is or not. He was known to be a devout Catholic.

    https://www.catholicworldreport.com/2020/11/08/the-faith-of-charles-de-gaulle/

    A Catholic by culture and conviction

    In one sense, Lacouture was right. Catholicism was simply part of the cultural air breathed by de Gaulle. He grew up in a family thoroughly immersed in the France which was Catholic, monarchist, strongly patriotic, and intensely suspicious of the other France: that of the Revolution, Voltaire, and republicanism.

    Piety was an everyday part of the household in which de Gaulle was raised. His mother Jeanne (née Maillot) was, by de Gaulle’s account, fiercely devout, even intransigently so. His more easy-going but equally devout father, Henri de Gaulle, was a professor of history and classics who taught in Jesuit schools.


    All the de Gaulle children attended Catholic schools and the pre-conciliar Jesuit imprint remained on Charles throughout his life. When he met the Jesuit General, Pedro Arrupe, in Rome in 1967, de Gaulle referred enthusiastically to “his Jesuits.” In a letter he wrote two years later to Father Bruno de Solages, de Gaulle commented that if his life had any significance, “it was only by the grace of God.” “I am,” he added, “grateful to my former teachers, their lessons and their example.”

    Like all educated French Catholics of his time, de Gaulle read late-nineteenth and early-twentieth century French writers like Charles Péguy, the poet, nationalist and socialist who converted to Catholicism in 1908 and immersed his patriotism into a mystical view of France. But de Gaulle was also attracted to older sources. Throughout de Gaulle’s posthumously published Lettres, Notes et Carnets, there are numerous citations of texts like Blaise Pascal’s Pensées, Augustine’s Confessions and City of God, and the Scriptures themselves, many of which he could quote from memory. No one who has read these hitherto private writings of de Gaulle, Henri de Lubac SJ once stated, could doubt the authenticity of his faith.

    That faith also involved the cultivation of an interior spirituality. For de Gaulle, this included but went beyond regular participation in the sacraments. At different points of his life, he attended retreats and, as a young man, made pilgrimages to places like Lourdes. In his later years, de Gaulle often went to confession at a home for retired priests not far from his residence in Colombey-les-Deux-Églises.

    By all accounts, this spirituality helped de Gaulle cope with the horrors of World War I. He later told his son, Admiral Philippe de Gaulle, that “If I had not been a Catholic Christian, I think that I would have been less brave in combat. I would have been afraid of death instead of being only afraid of suffering.” In the trenches, one of de Gaulle’s most precious possessions was a much-thumbed copy of Thomas à Kempis’ Imitation of Christ.


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    I notice at the end of the book and appendix of other saints and mystics who prophesied
    our days.

    Yes there is a huge bunch of them, Saints and Beati and Popes.

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    “May God console you! … What saddens you … is the fact that others have occupied the churches by violence, while during this time you are on the outside. It is a fact that they have the premises – but you have the Apostolic Faith. They can occupy our churches, but they are outside the true Faith. You remain outside the places of worship, but the Faith dwells within you. Let us consider: what is more important, the place or the Faith? The true Faith, obviously. Who has lost and who has won in the struggle – the one who keeps the premises or the one who keeps the Faith? True, the premises are good when the Apostolic Faith is preached there; they are holy if everything takes place there in a holy way …

    “You are the ones who are happy; you who remain within the Church by your Faith, who hold firmly to the foundations of the Faith which has come down to you from Apostolic Tradition. And if an execrable jealousy has tried to shake it on a number of occasions, it has not succeeded. They are the ones who have broken away from it in the present crisis. No one, ever, will prevail against your Faith, beloved Brothers. And we believe that God will give us our churches back some day.

    “Thus, the more violently they try to occupy the places of worship, the more they separate themselves from the Church. They claim that they represent the Church; but in reality, they are the ones who are expelling themselves from it and going astray. Even if Catholics faithful to Tradition are reduced to a handful, they are the ones who are the true Church of Jesus Christ.
    St Athanasius.

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    Armies from the West , East and North will fight together in Italy and the Eagle shall capture the False King and all things shall be made obedient unto him and there shall be a New Reformation in the World'.

    St Vincent Ferrar.

    First Letter

    (The original of the following letter is purportedly preserved by the Benedetti family in the city of Spoleto.)

    My most esteemed Lord, — Through the grace of the Holy Spirit, and through your merits, but not through my virtue, the spirit of prophecy is granted to me often to foretell most wonderful events in relation to the reformation of the Church of the Most High.

    From your Lordship shall be born the great leader of the Holy Militia of the Holy Spirit which shall overcome the world, and shall possess the earth so completely that no king or lord shall be able to exist, except he belongs to the Sacred Host of the Holy Ghost. These devout men shall wear on their breasts, and much more within their hearts, the sign of the living God, namely, the cross.

    The first members of this holy Order shall be natives of the city of … . where iniquity, vice, and sin abound. But they shall be converted from evil to good; from rebels against God they shall become most fervent and most faithful in his divine service. That city shall be cherished by God and by the great monarch, the elect and the beloved of the Most High Lord. For the sake of that place all holy souls who have done penance in it shall pray in the sight of God for that city and for its inhabitants.

    When the time shall come of the immense and most right justice of the Holy Spirit, his Divine Majesty wills that such city become converted to God, and that many of its citizens follow the great Prince of the Holy Army. The first person that will openly wear the sign of the living God shall belong to that city, because he will through a letter be commanded by a holy hermit to have it impressed in his heart and to wear it externally on his breast.

    That man will begin to meditate on the secrets of God about the long visitation which the Holy Spirit will make and the dominion that he will exercise over the world through the Holy Militia. O! happy man, who shall receive from the Most High the greatest privileges! He will interpret the hidden secrets of the Holy Ghost, and he shall often excite the admiration of men by his revealed knowledge of the internal secrets of their hearts. O, rejoice, my lord, because that Prince above other princes, and King over other kings will hold you in the greatest veneration, and, after having been crowned with three most admirable crowns, will exalt that city, will declare it free and the seat of the Empire, and it shall become one of the first cities of the world. I say nothing more. Kissing your hand, together with the inhabitants of … . whom I beg, when they shall see this letter, to receive it as a prophecy,

    I remain,

    Perpetual servant,

    Friar Francis di Paola.

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    From our house of Paola, 5th February, 1482.
     
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    Remember Trump saying France is no longer France

    And they mocked him.

     
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    England and Ireland are just the same; if not worse.
     
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    Bastille Day is the national holiday of
    France. It is celebrated on July 14. Keep watch and pray.
     
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    Great.
     
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    Sorry, no Mario. That the prophecy is not talking about Sarkozy. The prophecy is talking about the Antichrist. The Antichrist is not a former president of France. He is an Antipope pretending to be the leader of the Roman Catholic Church.

    The "Pillar of Mud" is the church of Antichrist, the anti-Church, the ape of the Church. It is built up from the mud, made up of people filthy in their sins. This "Pillar of Mud" is the Tower of Babel. The Antichrist is the man at the top of that Pillar, put there by the sinful people because that Antichrist confirms them (his followers) in their sinful behavior. That "Pillar of mud" is built with humanistic doctrines contradictory to God's laws that are promoted by the Antichrist. So the "Pillar of Mud" is identified with him because he is the leading the push for its construction, the construction of a new Church based on sinful, humanistic mud.

    By contrast, God/Christ comes "on the clouds." He leads his people through darkness as a Pillar of Fire. Get it "fire" (God) vs "mud" (man).

    God's order comes from the top down, through his true Vicar to His Bishops, to His priests, to the people. God is monarchical.

    Satan's hierarchy is reversed. His disorder comes from the bottom up, through synodality where the filthy sinners dictate to the priests, bishops and "Pope" what is acceptable from a moral perspective. Satan's government is democratic, participatory, synodal.

    God's true prophecies use the key symbols in those prophecies (the people, places and things) allegorically and metaphorically, most of the time. God's message is about universal, spiritual matters primarily (almost exclusively). A true prophecy of God is not going to spend a lot time discussing some minor politician or a minor nation as the key figure in the end times prophecy.
     
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    Thank you for the word of caution. Do you believe Julie Jahenny to be authentic or that the above website distorts her messages?

    O Mary conceived without sin, pray for us who have recurse to thee!
     
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    That man, Franquerie, is making the exact same mistake that the Jew did in the time of Jesus. They rejected Jesus because they were looking for a secular messiah, a political-military leader who would smite their enemies (the pagans) and place Jews on top as world leaders/governors.

    So when Jesus showed up as a poor Rabbi walking around with a few fisherman, the know-it-alls rejected him because he was opposite of what he expected. We must be careful not to make the same mistake.

    The actual prophetic quotes from MJJ (the bolded part in your post) should be understood this way (IMO):

    The word "France" is referring to the nation/people/tribe that are led by a man name "Francis." Jesus wanted to give those people, the ones who follow Francis, a real King (a king of Jesus's choice) but she (the people following Francis) refused.

    Because those people (the followers of Francis) has not "merited the one who was to save her," God has taken the one what "was to save her" the real king (the king of Jesus's choice) away from the Earth (the Church). This is the first punishment...to give the perverse people the leader that they desired.
     
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    The actual quotes from Marie Julie Jahenny appear to me to be authentic. I have not studied her in detail. But her words sounds like how other prophetic works discuss things.

    The interpretations of MJJ on that website that I have read (and I have not read much) do not seem, to me, to correspond to the proper interpretation. Of course, I am fallible. I simply present my opinion on it. Pray and ask the Holy Spirit to guide you.
     
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    Well no, we'll agree to disagree.
     
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    Ditto. I agree to disagree. Glad you said it was your opinion.
     
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    These words remind me of the Nazi "anthem" the Horst Wessel Song. :eek:
     
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