October Convergence

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  1. Sam

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    God will speak to His creatures as He wishes and in our free will, many will still reject Him.
     
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  2. May I suggest that The Warning will be not so much a judgement as an education: an education of sin.

    What will be revealed on a deeply personal level will be HOW GOD SEES AND EXPERIENCES OUR SINS. This revelation will be private to each and every human being.

    The consequences of dying in the state of the sins that we may be in at the time of our experience of The Warning are somewhat secondary to that revelation because we already know WHAT the punitive consequences of sin are: purgatory or hell.

    In The Warning we will be given a better understanding of the WHY we face those consequences as we stand face to face with the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

    The truth will set us free if we face it, acknowledge it and accept it according to the grace we will be given.

    Of course all this will come to us outside of our normal experience of time. As we are told by the seers, everything in the world, including time, will come to a stop in a great silence.

    Mankind will never have experienced anything like this before. It will prepare us for The Great Miracle which will happen between three weeks and three months after The Warning.

    Science will not be able to explain The Warning or The Great Miracle but some will continue to rebel and reject God even after seeing anew the love of God in the face of the crucified Christ.

    “Psalms 95:8 In-Context8 “Do not harden your hearts as you did at Meribah,as you did that day at Massah in the wilderness, 9 where your ancestors tested me; they tried me, though they had seen what I did.”
     
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    I would not be so sure about the 3 months/weeks.
    The quote about the 3 months/weeks is 3rd or fourth hand information.
    This is what Glenn posted about it, an e-mail from Thomas Fahy:

    I was told by a man in Massachusetts, who knows the Pastor of the Church that Mari Loli attended, that Mari Loli was speaking to her Pastor in Massachusetts one day, after he came to know about her relation with Garabandal, and told him that she could not remember
    whether the Blessed Virgin told her that it was 3 weeks or 3 months that the Warning would precede the Miracle. That would confirm that the Warning and Miracle are in the same year, as she said in her July 27, 1975 publicized interview. I take the same year to be the same calendar year.
    Fiat,
    Thomas Fahy
    3-20-15

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    Let me just say, I trust Glenn, and I trust Thomas Fahy.
    But Tom heard from an unknown man, who supposedly heard from a priest, what the priest
    heard Loli say.
    We don't know if the unknown man is reliable. any in the chain could have remembered incorrectly. Even Tom is not sure if he heard months or weeks.
    Even if the unknown man is reliable, we don't know if the priest is reliable ( I know, we all were brought up believing no Priests lie).



     
  4. PNF

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    The Warning will be a great act of mercy. Confused, dead souls (the "dry bones") will finally come to life and understand the Truth. This waking up is described in Ezechiel, chapter 37. The Warning begins the short (~six week long) period of peace, during which time Satan will be bound so that Jesus can gather those who truly love him. Most people will initially convert but fall away quickly. The Miracle will occur near the end of the Period of Peace. Directly after the short Period of Peace, Satan will be unbound again. This is described in Ezechiel, chapters 38 and 39. This period after the short period of peace will be the 3.5 year Period. That period ends with the Second Coming, the final Judgement.

    The "years and months" referenced in Ezechiel start with the reign of Sedecias (Antipope Bergoglio) in March 2013. If you count the years from that starting point, you will get a general idea of how far we have to go before the Warning occurs. But remember, we are not sure which calendar (Hebrew, Julian, Gregorian, etc.) is being used and exactly when a year starts. So, determining precise dates with certainty is not possible. But, according to Ezechiel, look for the Warning to occur in the 2025/2026 timeframe.

    P.S. This short period of peace is also the period of the Holy Pope and Great Monarch, which is referenced in Ezechiel 37:19 ("the stick of Joseph") and in Ezechiel 37:24 ("my servant David shall be king over them"). The first reference is the Joseph Ratzinger, the Holy Pope. The second is to Christ the King, the Great Monarch.
     
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  5. In Garabandal history: On December 6, 1962 Conchita had a 90 minute ecstasy around 5:30 in the afternoon after which, she provided two more pieces of information regarding the Miracle: 1) One day, before the Miracle, something will happen that will cause many people to stop believing in the apparitions of Garabandal. The doubts and desertions will not be due to an excessive delay of the Miracle.”

    From this it may be fairly reasonable to assume that the duration of time between the Warning and The Miracle will be shorter rather than longer than imagined.

    This shortness time of will preserve the freshness of memory of the education of sin that each will receive in The Warning and thusmaximise the conversion experience of The Miracle.

    We know that the Warning and Miracle will be in the same even calendar year. We know that the Miracle will be in an April. So we know that the maximum wait in that year between The Warning and Miracle will be January to April.

    This was confirmed by Mari Loli who could not remember if the Blessed Mother said the waitwas 3 weeks or if she said 3 months. This wouldtake us from March to April or from January toApril.

    I am fairly sure this is correct but Glenn can tell us if I am wrong.
     
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    The period of Lent is around 45 days (~six weeks). In 2025, Ash Wednesday will be March 5. Good Friday will be April 18.

    I think it is likely that the "something that will happen that will cause people to stop believing in the apparitions of Garabandal" will be the equivalent of what happened after Palm Sunday (the Hosannas) on the way to Good Friday (the Crucifixion). This should correspond with what is described in Apocalypse 11:

    3 And I will give unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred sixty days, clothed in sackcloth. 4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks, that stand before the Lord of the earth. 5 And if any man will hurt them, fire shall come out of their mouths, and shall devour their enemies. And if any man will hurt them, in this manner must he be slain. 6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and they have power over waters to turn them into blood, and to strike the earth with all plagues as often as they will. 7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast, that ascendeth out of the abyss, shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. 8 And their bodies shall lie in the streets of the great city, which is called spiritually, Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord also was crucified. 9 And they of the tribes, and peoples, and tongues, and nations, shall see their bodies for three days and a half: and they shall not suffer their bodies to be laid in sepulchres. 10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry: and shall send gifts one to another, because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt upon the earth. 11 And after three days and a half, the spirit of life from God entered into them. And they stood upon their feet, and great fear fell upon them that saw them. 12 And they heard a great voice from heaven, saying to them: Come up hither. And they went up to heaven in a cloud: and their enemies saw them.
    I think that might be a (metaphorical) description of the Miracle and the precipitating events.
     
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    The Miracle will leave a permanent sign in the Pines in Garabandal.
     
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    Do you think that when "they went up to heaven in a cloud: and their enemies saw them," that maybe that "cloud" in "heaven" could be seen from "the Pines in Garabandal" and elsewhere?
     
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    Permanent sign
    And no I don’t
     
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    I believe that the private revelations and the public revelations must agree in essentials. They are talking about the same events and describing them using different words. Do you agree with that?
     
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    Good night, PNF.
     
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    You may be right....the reason I don't think we are there yet is that the church has not yet had to go underground and there is not a wide suppression of the mass which was clearly foretold at Garabandal and other places. So that would need to happen extremely soon. I just think the pre-warning tribulation is going to be harder and longer than most realize, tho I hope I am wrong.
     
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    I agree with you - but at the same time I wonder if the suppression of the Mass worldwide during covid is not already a fulfilment of the Garabandal prophecy?

    Mind you in caving into the worldly powers during the covid debacle, the church has shown it will bow down before secular authorities without a whimper and it has set a precedent so it is possible it could happen again when the 'next scamdemic' or some other global emergency breaks out (i suspect we could be facing 'climate lockdowns' at some point to 'save the planet').

    If the Mass can be suppressed at a sneeze then anything is possible.
     
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    People love their sins - they are hard to give up.

    It has taken me a life-time to convert from mine!!
     
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    I keep it simple - this is what Conchita has said about the warning. I don't add or take away from what she says about the warning -

    Yes, the Warning will be like a revelation of our sins-as como si revelase nuestros pecados, and it will be seen and experienced by believers and non-believers and people of any religion whatsoever.

    The Warning is like a purification for the Miracle. And it is a sort of a catastrophe. It will make us think of the dead, that is, we would prefer to be dead than to experience the Warning.

    The Warning will be a correction of the conscience of the world.

    We will all feel it differently because it will depend on our conscience. The Warning will be very personal; therefore, we will all react differently to it. The most important thing will be to recognize our own sins and the bad consequences of them. You will have a different view of the Warning than me because your sins are different from mine.

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    The warning and the the very great Miracle predicted at Garabandal are like 2 sides of a coin - they go together. I have already set aside funds to take myself and some family members who need healing to get to Garabandal for the miracle in order that they might be cured. We are blessed to have Glenn on the forum who is going to give us heads up about the date of the miracle eight days in advance. Since the world will have been through tribulation it may not be that easy to get to Garbandal at that time but I am going to give it my best shot.
     
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    If I am not wrong I assume some big event relating to natural disasters or terrorism attacks will take place on 28th of this month which will change the world's geo-politics & impact many lives globally.
     
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    Truth! Absolute truth. " they love their sin more than they fear God" (from a commentary on Dante's Inferno)
     
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    Good point, the world-wide suppression of Mass may have already happened.
     
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    I have a hard time believing that was it. It sounded like a much more violent time of persecution with many martyrs when this would happen. I think covid was just the warmup to condition ppl and already get many to stop practicing the faith. A much worse mor obvious and violent suppression is coming
     
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    It is fun speculating on events to come. I love to do this myself. But underlying this all should be a profound resignation and acceptance of the Holy Will of the Good God; whatsoever happens.

    There seems to be loads and loads more people going to Church at the moment, which is a great blessing and Sign in and of itself.
     
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