"Israel is preparing to Commit Genocide"

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There is a distinction in just war theory between civilian casualties due to unavoidable collateral damage and intentional targetting of civilians. The present war in the Ukraine seems to represent an example of the former, with civilian casualties being proportionately much less than that of the military, while almost all casualties of the Israeli offensive and of the Hamas aggression have been civilian. Of course, the line is crossed in all wars, but it is not often, certainly not always, the deliberate, primary strategy of the combatants.

 

I didn't mean to cause offence, Mario, and am well aware that most Americans are kind hearted, generous people who wouldn't wish such evil on anyone.

 

Understood. No offense taken.
But we were warned not to put our trust in
princes.

 

Devout Orthodox (non Talmudic, but Torah-observant - "do not kill/do not steal/do not commit adultery/love God etc) Jews are some of the most Based Anti-Zionists on the Planet. See below:

https://twitter.com/DrLoupis/status/1732111299268534744

"Are these Jews “Anti-Semitic”?"

 

This Zionist Terrorist and so-called Amichai Eliyahu believes he has the right to Kill anyone on Earth who Waves a Palestinian Flag.

 

https://twitter.com/DrLoupis/status/1731284826601226380 Zionist Jews and the CDC etc.

 

How wonderful, but challenging.

 

This guy (I think he is former US military living in the Far East) maintains that the US will use the trouble in Palestine to start a war with Israel, Israel to attack Iran first, giving the US plausible deniability. He cites a document from the Brookings Institute from 2009 to support his claim:



Doesn't look like it will happen this time. The Iranians don't seem to be taking the bait and there's a report that the US has told the Israelis they have two weeks to finish the bombardment. They must want the crew of the aircraft carriers home for Christmas. I suppose it would be good press for Biden showing the military personnel reuniting with their families after saving the world from the war of Armageddon.

Some of the most clear headed opponents of all the war mongering are Americans. That's something I admire most about Americans: their bravery in speaking out when they see wrongdoing, even when the wrongdoers are their own government.

 

The kings of the earth stood up, and the princes met together, against the Lord and against his Christ. 3 Let us break their bonds asunder: and let us cast away their yoke from us. 4 He that dwelleth in heaven shall laugh at them: and the Lord shall deride them. 5 Then shall he speak to them in his anger, and trouble them in his rage.

Psalm 2, 2-4
Douay

 

Reassuring for us. Not so sure about little Palestinian children, Stateless and homeless, not knowing where their next meal will come from and not knowing whether the next bomb will kill or maim them. Imagine the terror being unleased on them by people they have been told are God's first chosen claiming they have God's backing to wipe them off the face of the earth. And if they are Catholic children, how can their parents feel knowing that the person supplying the bombs will be at Mass next Sunday in a church where the priest says he's a very good Catholic. Could anyone blame those children if they start asking where is God and why are His servants terrorising them? Incline unto their aid oh God. Lord make haste to help them.

I looked at the Aid to the Church in Need website because I'd like to donate to the victims in Gaza. It's hard to see whether any aid is getting through to them now. According to the ACN UK website, they can't transfer funds to Gaza due to UK government sanctions. It's unclear from the Irish site whether they are getting the funds into Gaza. One of the websites (can't recall whether it's the American or Irish Branch of ACN) says they are giving aid to refugees from Gaza but the Israelis aren't letting anyone leave Gaza, hoping to pressure Egypt into moving the Palestinians to the Sinai desert. Small though it will be, I want my donation to go to the suffering people in Gaza. Some of Mother Teresa's sisters were in Northern Gaza and I think there were some Eastern Catholic sisters also in Gaza who said they would stay with the people they care for.

 

Both Aid to the Church in Need and Fr Bernard Kiely's organization are excellent. I think Father Kiely's organization is Naserean.org. you can easily find it on line.

 

Good to know.

 

I looked at Fr. Kiely's website and read the talk he gave on anti-Zionism being anti-semitism. He quoted the saying "First they came for the Saturday people, then they came for the Sunday people". Right now, some of those Saturday people are claiming to be following God by wiping out the Friday and Sunday people in Gaza. He said that he works in the Middle East and has visited Israel. He makes no attempt to condemn the attempted genocide of Palestinians.

Yes, Christians are persecuted in Muslim countries. That gives nobody the excuse to persecute Muslims. Perhaps Fr. Kiely gave the talk before the Israelis called the Palestinians human animals. Perhaps he's unaware of all the Palestinians, including children, that the Israelis detain without trial or on trumped up charges. Perhaps he's unaware of settlers from Europe and the USA dispossessing Palestinians from their land, but I can't be sure of that. Sure, there are left-wingers in universities manipulating young people into being Anti-semitic. They've been manipulating young people into being anti-Christian for decades. That's no excuse to give a pass to Zionism or to give the label "useful fools" to those of us who don't like Zionism but recognise that the Jews are God's first chosen and have a special place in God's heart. Some of the earliest opponents of Zionism were orthodox Jews and Jews are still numbered among its opponents.

Aid to the Church in Need is probably the best option for me. The Irish Branch may not be restricted by sanctions. Thanks for your help.

 

I would like to add to this topic one thing that I saw from Bishop Sheen when he talked about guilt.

So man, who was created in the image of God, has reason and thinks, and every reason carries a conscience with it, and from conscience comes guilt.
Where there is no guilt, there is no reason, because reason is the fruit of conscience.

In other words, emotions take the place of reason, and there is no guilt, which means that people react like animals. They lower their divine nature to the level of animals...

Another thing, he mentioned two words that always go together, which are misery and mercy. When you have misery without mercy you get despair = Palestinians
A product of that desperation and oppression is Hamas that results in violence as a solution...
When you have grace without misery you get conceit / arrogance = Israel
The result is the dehumanization of those they think are below their worth, either by their treatment before the conflict or now when they mercilessly kill women, children and civilians with professional army.

Another thing about missing reason and missing guilt is that guilt must always manifest itself in some way, i.e. a true sinner will repent and ask for forgiveness. Today's modern man pushes guilt into the subconscious, but it is like "energy", it cannot disappear, it just manifests differently. Nowadays, this is especially done through the fault of others, if you look at most leftists (politicians and activists). They will always blame others for the behaviors they do, from hatred, destabilization to the culture of fear.

So when we look at this conflict, the result is firstly a lack of reason because there is no sense of guilt, and for that the first step is to admit one's own mistake. To admit your own sinfulness you have to believe in something or something that is above you, we all call it God. Because only that something above you can redeem you and forgive your mistakes.
However, both parties, although they like to quote and refer to God, do not feel guilty, they do not appeal to reason, but primarily to the emotions and guilt of the other party. Which means they eliminate God and set themselves up to decide what is good and evil.

 

I can see this.

 

Fr Vasco also does an excellent job.
https://catholictimescolumbus.org/n...p-urged-for-young-christians-in-the-holy-land

 

The theoretical elimination of Hamas is just that, theoretical. One thing is sure: much deeper strains of hatred have been sown. Lord have Mercy!

 

They got rid of ISIS - I’m hopeful they will do the same with Hamas. I watch a lot of coverage outside the mainstream media, and a great majority of Palestinians are really angry at Hamas. People are just tired of this controversy. What Hamas did was barbaric. Most are appalled.

 

Byron your posts are usually well balanced and thought out. And I always look forward to reading them.. But this is absolutely ridiculous.
They won't get rid of Hamas by these means. Not a chance!
Bloody Sunday happened in Derry in the early 1970s. British soldiers sought to teach the IRA a lesson; so they came into Derry hard. The paratroop regiment killed 13 unarmed civilians and maimed countless others that day.
But, the result, rather than defeat the IRA; did the exact opposite. The events of that Sunday in January of 1972 were the single biggest recruiter of young men and women into the ranks of the otherwise fringe IRA.
That organisation would go on to kill thousands of people (and lose many of its own members to violent deaths in the process). It took from that day in 1972 till 1994 - a generation - before a permanent cease fire was brokered.
The Israeli's will similarly swell the ranks of Hamas with these actions. Sons, daughters, many of those who have lost loved ones will take up arms against Israel and her backers.
Violence begets violence.