PADRAIG'S DREAM ABOUT KIEV MENTIONED IN AN ARCHIVED SPIRIT DAILY

Thank you Joseph.

 

While my priest will be with our Bishop, our church will be open for prayer, rosary and the chapter of divine mercy. I am hoping to be there for it

 

Say the prayer anyway. The way things are going in the world, we might have to wait for the conversion of China.

"I consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary". There. I'm as thick as two planks and can manage to do in nine words what Our Lady requested. Why can't the Vatican manage that? Instead, they practically write a book telling Heaven what Heaven knows already and still manage to turn it into some kind of word search puzzle.

Surely Pope Benedict wouldn't use wording that insults Our Lady. He will be doing the consecration too so maybe all is not lost.

 

Thank you Joe. Discouragement is from the devil. We must pray for our Pope and offer our sufferings in reparation and pray that this consecration will be accepted by Heaven.
I feel the fury of the evil one. I have had the worst week, like nervous breakdown time.
Pray pray pray

 

Brian, At first, I thought no way but after looking at the text in Spanish (ES), Italian(IT) and in French (FR) I think that this commenter is right. She has done more research than I have. I took French in school and I translated the Spanish, the Itlian and the French to English using Google translate and the commenter really seems correct, at least about the “tierra del Cielo”, “terra del Cielo” and “terre du Ciel” (do not translate to Queen of Heaven). All I have to say is why???

I'm not sure what the abbreviation for Latin is on the Vatican site, maybe someone else can figure it out https://www.vatican.va/content/fran...20220325-atto-consacrazione-cuoredimaria.html .

MR, Me too, worst week like nervous breakdown time - very weepy.

 

Please, please, please dear Blessed Mother help.

Hope, hope, hope.

Jesus have mercy.

 

If this is not the consecration we, The Church have hoped and prayed for for 100 years...

Know that Our Blessed Mother promised, promised that in the end her Immaculate Heart would triumph!

Jesus will not refuse His mother.

 

I think it's OK. There's a comment further down from someone who says this:

"You find this in byzantine hymns (especially the Akathist, where it appears 3-4 times) and even in some Latin chants ('terra caeli') - e.g. "Caeli enarrant gloriam dei filii verbi incarnati facti de terra caeli". It isn't anything to do with pachamama. This is absurd."
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The problem seems to be how it is translated into other languages, especially Spanish. The Pope won't be doing the consecration in Spanish and I'm sure that the Spanish Bishops will use an appropriate title for Our Lady. It doesn't affect the words of the actual consecration.

 

Just because the words heaven and earth are found together in different prayers doesn't mean this is an appropriate title for Our Blessed Mother.

And these are the translations the Bishops are to be using. I doubt they will all change the wording sent by the Vatican.

After the Pachamama ceremony I don't think any of us can assume everything is OK.

 

But is there some Byzantine title for Our Lady with those words? Surely, the Ukrainian Bishops would object if the title is offensive? Anyway, those words are not in the sentence containing the actual consecration. I haven't prayed a nine day Novena to let my hopes be dashed on the feast day. God wouldn't do that to us.

 

It is the words of consecration mistranslated into many languages. Remember it is the Pope along with the Bishops of the world, not just the Pope.

God wouldn't do this to us?

We would be doing it to ourselves. And deservedly so. What do we merit, mankind filled with every type of sin?

Would God allow the apostles to see thier hopes dashed on Good Friday? Thier teacher and brother tortured and killed?

If He allows a letdown it is to bring about a more glorious victory.

 

Oh! Do you mean that the Immaculate Heart of Mary is omitted from the words of consecration? My bubble is well and truly burst. No wonder all the apologists were getting in their excuses early. They were saying that "rad trads" would find something wrong with the Consecration because Francis is the Pope. I might have known. What is it with the Vatican that they couldn't organise a piss-up in a brewery? If they insult the Blessed Mother, they will undo any good that came from Pope John Paul's consecration. There are times I almost wish the Benevacantists were right. I'll go to the church and say the prayer anyway. That's all we can do.

 

Bishop Strickland tweeted:

"As we join Pope Francis in the Consecration Prayer on March 25, we must pay special attention to Mary’s titles like Queen of Heaven. There are questions about some translations in other languages. We must ensure that all translations are accurate & honor Mary, Queen of Heaven."

 

Yes, but the consecration is not to "Our Lady Queen of Heaven". It's to the "Immaculate Heart of Mary". They can use any other title they like provided they also use the "Immaculate Heart of Mary" with the consecration.

 

I was waiting for a bishop to come forward and question the translations. God bless him.

 

I am not fluent in Spanish.
But to me the important part of the Spanish translation seems to look OK:

Por eso, Madre de Dios y nuestra, nosotros solemnemente encomendamos y consagramos a tu Corazón inmaculado nuestras personas, la Iglesia y la humanidad entera, de manera especial Rusia y Ucrania

Earlier in the document Queen of Heaven is translated into a title that seemingly no one has encountered before...Earth of Heaven?

 

Not entirely correct.
If they had used the following title when addressing her earlier in the document...

Pachamama

Who would they be concentrating humanity to?
A demon?
An idol?

I am not saying this is the intent, but the Bishop's words are wise.

 

Me too. Frayed to the very edge.

 

If we are fraying we should be praying.

It is all in God's hands.

Trust.
Hope.