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Christy1983 said: ↑

This is from a Facebook post. It is from a pretty large public group (14,000+ members) focused on Catholic prayer. I am not a member, and did not participate in the discussions. Nonetheless, it speaks directly to many issues discussed on this thread. Father Rodrigue's Canadian bishops are not alone in their rejection of the underpinnings of Fr. Rodrigue's messages.

Becky Malmquist
July 28 ·

The result of the thread in which I asked if there is any evidence from a Church-approved source that explicitly says there will be a worldwide, simultaneous illumination of conscience is that no evidence has been provided so far that meets this standard. All the examples require taking quotes out of context, reading into the text things that aren’t there, or claiming that a saint said something for which there is no primary source corroboration. Some examples:

St. Edmond Campion is cited as the first saint to mention the illumination of conscience. But when the quote is read in context, it is clear he is speaking of the Last Judgment, not a worldwide illumination of conscience.

St. Faustina is cited as having prophesied a coming illumination, but nowhere in her diary will you find this stated. In order to come to this conclusion, one must create this interpretation without clear evidence. St. Faustina experienced her own illumination; however, this is common among saints and even everyday people who practice mental prayer and pursue a life of union with God. An individual’s illumination is not proof that a worldwide, simultaneous illumination is coming. In the case of St. Faustina, one has to conflate two different things in order to get to the conclusion of a worldwide illumination of conscience. It’s her personal illumination and a vision of a sign in the sky (involving light during darkness). The element of light is used in both cases but with different meanings.

Blessed Anna Maria Taigi is quoted as having predicted a worldwide illumination; however, the only evidence of this quote is people saying she said it. There is no evidence in her writings.

Pope Pius IX: Like Blessed Anna Maria Taigi’s quote, no original source has been found. Also, he does not explicitly mention a worldwide illumination of conscience; one must read into the text, as is done with St. Faustina. He speaks of a “great wonder” which The Warning proponents interpret as an illumination of conscience.

The apparition at Heede, Germany, does not explicitly state that there will be a worldwide illumination of conscience. One has to read this into the text, similarly as is done with the Pope Pius IX quote above and St. Faustina.

Along the same lines, some messages of Maria Esperanza, although they have approval, do not explicitly mention a worldwide, simultaneous illumination of conscience. Like the others, one must read this idea into the words. Maria Esperanza said, “In the coming years a new light from Heaven will illuminate hearts.” This could be interpreted to mean increased graces of conversion. Without an explanation, we can’t definitively conclude that what was meant at Betania was a worldwide illumination.

Elizabeth Kindlemann’s writings have not been officially declared “worthy of belief” by the Church.

Luz de Maria Bonilla’s alleged locutions are ongoing, so they cannot yet be declared worthy of belief.

The first example I can find of an explicit reference to a warning or worldwide illumination of conscience comes from the unapproved messages of Garabandal. The local bishops have consistently declared that the supernatural character of the apparitions could not be confirmed. In other words, the messages of Garabandal do not have Church approval.

Lastly, there are some red flags concerning “Countdown to the Kingdom:”

1. Countdown to the Kingdom saying that Fr. Rodrigue's bishop approved his messages, and then having to take that back.
2. Vague references to saints without actual quotes.
3. Actual quotes being taken out of context to mean something they did not necessarily mean.
4. Some of the quotes being of questionable authenticity.
5. The connection with Garabandal, which has not been approved by any local bishop.
6. The belief in an extended era of peace that resembles the heresy of Millenarianism.
7. The fairly specific timing indicated in Fr. Rodrigue's recent prophecies
8. The Imprimatur on “The Warning” book is not the acting bishop, but a bishop emeritus. Also, the bishop who gives the Imprimatur should be of the diocese where the book was published. The book was published in Sacramento, CA, but the retired bishop who gave the Imprimatur is in Lipa, Philippines. This same bishop issued an Imprimatur for Vassula Ryden, who was censured by the Vatican.
9. It’s very troubling that people dismiss all these arguments by saying, "Well, you need to have faith."
If what a person longs for is His own illumination of conscience, in getting to know God and His will, and having abiding peace and joy, then his time would be better spent learning and practicing mental prayer and pursuing a life of union with God. And if one day a worldwide illumination were to be given, he would be well prepared for such a meeting with God. But more importantly, he will be well prepared to meet God face-to-face in the particular judgment when his life is over.

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Thanks again, Christy. I pretty much agree with the majority of this article other than the fact that Garabandal has not yet been completely put to rest. It’s outcome is still to be determined since the promised events have not yet taken place. And the first of these would be the Warning, and this in Conchita’s lifetime.~AN

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Thanks again, Christy. I pretty much agree with the majority of this article other than the fact that Garabandal has not yet been completely put to rest. It’s outcome is still to be determined since the promised events have not yet taken place. And the first of these would be the Warning, and this in Conchita’s lifetime.~AN
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Well, frankly there is as yet so much missing from the background of just what the relationship has been between Fr. Michel and his bishop for the last 11 years that I can't see how anyone could form any final opinion about him solely in the negative. Other than the one retreat offered in the videos no one has any idea of his many years of his vocation and his life for that matter since apparently much began in his youth....which isn't unusual for mystics. Mix that in with a Bishop who was known to Fr. Michel as someone who just foundationally did not accept anything within that area. That makes it very difficult to communicate constantly about one's experiences. But we do have the actions of the Bishop that themselves seem to work against the sudden need to defend one's image once the public becomes interested as simply not involved in any way with any of that "stuff" related by a priest serving that diocese for 11 years whose appointments and service have never been criticized until suddenly when the authority is put on the spot, it's only the mystical events that are targeted and those w/ an aforementioned bias by the authority. And the actions of the Bishop, in fact and not by way of assumption, have been to personally back a major order that itself came from within the alleged mystical experiences/communication w/ heaven of the priest.....the creation of a new kind of religious fraternity of priests, deacons, and consecrated laity w/ its necessary centers of two monasteries. That is no light matter for any Bishop...esp. knowing that if not $$$ supported completely by donations then that responsibility would fall upon the Bishop. And the Bishop also approved the constitution of what he felt he later had to rather discredit as not an "order" as has been used interchangeably in order to remove himself from what later became a basis for his own connection to Fr. M's mystical type of messages! And of course that second monastery also necessitated the Bishop removing Fr. M from his other diocesan responsibilities due to its urgency which he did while apparently receiving a response to wondering why this one was so different in urgency from the first.....because God the Father wanted it! Now unless this was some kind of regular happening between the Bishop and all of his priests, that they could just come to him w/ a large scheme that entails large sums of money and needing physical space beyond what the diocese already provided to which he would just give his blessing, one has to believe that this particular request w/ its raison d'être was something different.

Another point missing from the argument against Fr. M's mission and experiences leading up to it is the complete lack, as it would appear, of just examining those who have had a history of some kind with what Fr. M has related.....like the miracle healings, prayers answered, encouragement in faith, vocations, spiritual help and hope given, release from demonic activity via his seeming gift of knowing what kinds of attacks are in question with an individual....and esp. his own heavenly experiences during what seem like some near death experiences occurring in his many health emergencies. After all there were doctors involved who could speak to being witnesses of such. And his rather amazing experience related of his pilgrimage to Medjugorje (about which he initially had his own doubts) where he was given access to some of the major materials regarding the apparitions and the mystical materials involved like the mystical type of parchment upon which the secrets are written and just the kind of strange connection he experienced with the main respected prelates involved in that place's revelations.....not ever meeting him before they knew to speak to French to him, etc. So why was this not looked into....unless such evidence would necessitate a real change or awakening to the mindset already established beyond willingness to accept such validations by Father's diocesan authority? And then we have the rubber stamping of the first Bishop's decision by the second who apparently by his own public letter notes that he hasn't been in contact w/ Fr. Rodrigue for 24 years! Where is that discernment and thus fairness to the individual being targeted in that response? There is just too much history of similar treatment of mystics throughout Church history by their bishops that it could cause one who has looked at that history to even think that such treatment boded well for the "mystic".

So I have a wait and see attitude for a deeper insight to what is still sorely missing in background facts in all of this, but I doubt that such a personality of such a priest that itself seems to have been formed by an unusual life of mystical occurrences, not able to have been planned by any normal state of mind, that had to be known by those who had contact with him, could go missing within a span of 11 years by the Bishop himself.

But wait a second while I go get my flak jacket on as no doubt there will likely be "incoming" to deal with here!! Meanwhile....a lot of drama but as yet no condemnation. And just out of Christian charity I would like to know if Fr. Michel might now be in some state of need, esp. monetarily, not only for his own needs or those who depend upon him, but for his alleged mission to form priests for these end times as well as the completion of the physical plant....because I would be willing to donate!
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I’m sorry earth-I meant no offense when I asked nor did I hope to stir anything up. I just realized that in going through this discernment process, I hadn’t heard as many concrete reasons why those who do believe him feel the way they do, and I was only hoping to understand your point of view. Thank you for sharing.

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Gisella Carda is another one that is false.
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I am afraid so.

I would be as inclined to avoid Count Down to the Kingdom as I would the Virus

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Take what is good. Fr. Rodrigue has only brought me closer to God; confession, the Holy Eucharist, the rosary, consecration. Time will tell. Does anyone here think any real prophet would not be attacked? 2 of his prophecies have already realized- the riots on the streets and prior to covid he said that God told him he would not travel again.
I don't know if he's real or not, but Im taking what is good and leaving the rest to God. He is His sheppard and we are to pray for all His sheppards.
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I love listening to the Mormon Tabernacle Choir.

A great good, in my book.

I still don't buy into Joseph Smith.

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Christy1983 said: ↑

This is from a Facebook post. It is from a pretty large public group (14,000+ members) focused on Catholic prayer. I am not a member, and did not participate in the discussions. Nonetheless, it speaks directly to many issues discussed on this thread. Father Rodrigue's Canadian bishops are not alone in their rejection of the underpinnings of Fr. Rodrigue's messages.

Becky Malmquist
July 28 ·

The result of the thread in which I asked if there is any evidence from a Church-approved source that explicitly says there will be a worldwide, simultaneous illumination of conscience is that no evidence has been provided so far that meets this standard. All the examples require taking quotes out of context, reading into the text things that aren’t there, or claiming that a saint said something for which there is no primary source corroboration. Some examples:

St. Edmond Campion is cited as the first saint to mention the illumination of conscience. But when the quote is read in context, it is clear he is speaking of the Last Judgment, not a worldwide illumination of conscience.

St. Faustina is cited as having prophesied a coming illumination, but nowhere in her diary will you find this stated. In order to come to this conclusion, one must create this interpretation without clear evidence. St. Faustina experienced her own illumination; however, this is common among saints and even everyday people who practice mental prayer and pursue a life of union with God. An individual’s illumination is not proof that a worldwide, simultaneous illumination is coming. In the case of St. Faustina, one has to conflate two different things in order to get to the conclusion of a worldwide illumination of conscience. It’s her personal illumination and a vision of a sign in the sky (involving light during darkness). The element of light is used in both cases but with different meanings.

Blessed Anna Maria Taigi is quoted as having predicted a worldwide illumination; however, the only evidence of this quote is people saying she said it. There is no evidence in her writings.

Pope Pius IX: Like Blessed Anna Maria Taigi’s quote, no original source has been found. Also, he does not explicitly mention a worldwide illumination of conscience; one must read into the text, as is done with St. Faustina. He speaks of a “great wonder” which The Warning proponents interpret as an illumination of conscience.

The apparition at Heede, Germany, does not explicitly state that there will be a worldwide illumination of conscience. One has to read this into the text, similarly as is done with the Pope Pius IX quote above and St. Faustina.

Along the same lines, some messages of Maria Esperanza, although they have approval, do not explicitly mention a worldwide, simultaneous illumination of conscience. Like the others, one must read this idea into the words. Maria Esperanza said, “In the coming years a new light from Heaven will illuminate hearts.” This could be interpreted to mean increased graces of conversion. Without an explanation, we can’t definitively conclude that what was meant at Betania was a worldwide illumination.

Elizabeth Kindlemann’s writings have not been officially declared “worthy of belief” by the Church.

Luz de Maria Bonilla’s alleged locutions are ongoing, so they cannot yet be declared worthy of belief.

The first example I can find of an explicit reference to a warning or worldwide illumination of conscience comes from the unapproved messages of Garabandal. The local bishops have consistently declared that the supernatural character of the apparitions could not be confirmed. In other words, the messages of Garabandal do not have Church approval.

Lastly, there are some red flags concerning “Countdown to the Kingdom:”

1. Countdown to the Kingdom saying that Fr. Rodrigue's bishop approved his messages, and then having to take that back.
2. Vague references to saints without actual quotes.
3. Actual quotes being taken out of context to mean something they did not necessarily mean.
4. Some of the quotes being of questionable authenticity.
5. The connection with Garabandal, which has not been approved by any local bishop.
6. The belief in an extended era of peace that resembles the heresy of Millenarianism.
7. The fairly specific timing indicated in Fr. Rodrigue's recent prophecies
8. The Imprimatur on “The Warning” book is not the acting bishop, but a bishop emeritus. Also, the bishop who gives the Imprimatur should be of the diocese where the book was published. The book was published in Sacramento, CA, but the retired bishop who gave the Imprimatur is in Lipa, Philippines. This same bishop issued an Imprimatur for Vassula Ryden, who was censured by the Vatican.
9. It’s very troubling that people dismiss all these arguments by saying, "Well, you need to have faith."
If what a person longs for is His own illumination of conscience, in getting to know God and His will, and having abiding peace and joy, then his time would be better spent learning and practicing mental prayer and pursuing a life of union with God. And if one day a worldwide illumination were to be given, he would be well prepared for such a meeting with God. But more importantly, he will be well prepared to meet God face-to-face in the particular judgment when his life is over.

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This from past history:

Fatima was not approved till after their prophecies, such as the miracle of the sun came true.

Bernadette at Lourdes was not approved till after the miracles.

Our Lady of Guadalupe was not approved till after the miracles with Juan Diego.

Our Lord Jesus Christ was not validated by even his apostles until after he rose from the dead.

Seems every major and significant events in the life of the church and throughout biblical history were not approved till after the events took place. Sound familiar today with the naysayers>?
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Fatima said: ↑

This from past history:

Fatima was not approved till after their prophecies, such as the miracle of the sun came true.

Bernadette at Lourdes was not approved till after the miracles.

Our Lady of Guadalupe was not approved till after the miracles with Juan Diego.

Our Lord Jesus Christ was not validated by even his apostles until after he rose from the dead.

Seems every major and significant events in the life of the church and throughout biblical history were not approved till after the events took place. Sound familiar today with the naysayers>?
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True.

But:

- Lucia was never caught lying/exaggerating

- Bernadette was never caught lying/exaggerating

-Juan Diego was never caught lying/exaggerating

-Our Lord was never caught lying exaggerating

Father Michel has. He is not an exorcist and never had his Bishop’s approval. To compare him to the above examples is foolish.
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This is a video from Fr. Chris Alar from Divine Mercy Shrine. Its about end times. I highly recommend it.

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Advocata Nostra said: ↑

Thanks again, Christy. I pretty much agree with the majority of this article other than the fact that Garabandal has not yet been completely put to rest. It’s outcome is still to be determined since the promised events have not yet taken place. And the first of these would be the Warning, and this in Conchita’s lifetime.~AN
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Apparently, garabandal was not condemned. So for our own discernment but there are many many priests and faithful who believe in its authenticity. I don't know if any diary was ever written by the visionaries. I assume not, but taking a young girl and holding her for 5 hours to try to convince her to sign papers of denial doesn't sound very Christian. I guess time will tell.

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Apparently, garabandal was not condemned. So for our own discernment but there are many many priests and faithful who believe in its authenticity. I don't know if any diary was ever written by the visionaries. I assume not, but taking a young girl and holding her for 5 hours to try to convince her to sign papers of denial doesn't sound very Christian. I guess time will tell.
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Please consider looking at Glen’s thread on Garabandal Fede. He is our resident expert here and has a lot of good information.
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This is a video from Fr. Chris Alar from Divine Mercy Shrine. Its about end times. I highly recommend it.

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My own research outside of prophecy seem to support many of his claims. Journalists are lying to people. The technology invented for the vaccine and “digital certificates” is very sketchy. I can easily see how we might not be able to buy or sell without it someday. They’re even creating health passports. So if nothing great happens in October his prophecies are not of God.

But on the other hand they could be. If all the troubling things the pope has said over the years mean nothing since he didn’t formally speak ex cathedra, I’m not sure if any bishop has formally condemned his message either. I don’t see a formal one, but maybe an informal one, and I’m not sure if it has any weight. If no great event takes place by November then I won’t worry. I’ll obey the bishop and not spread the messages. But he’s been right so far.

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I am borrowing a quote from Gisela’s bishop and applying it to Fr M or anyone else for that matter: “he has a 50% chance of being right.”

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Christy1983 said: ↑

This is from a Facebook post. It is from a pretty large public group (14,000+ members) focused on Catholic prayer. I am not a member, and did not participate in the discussions. Nonetheless, it speaks directly to many issues discussed on this thread. Father Rodrigue's Canadian bishops are not alone in their rejection of the underpinnings of Fr. Rodrigue's messages.

Becky Malmquist
July 28 ·

The result of the thread in which I asked if there is any evidence from a Church-approved source that explicitly says there will be a worldwide, simultaneous illumination of conscience is that no evidence has been provided so far that meets this standard. All the examples require taking quotes out of context, reading into the text things that aren’t there, or claiming that a saint said something for which there is no primary source corroboration. Some examples:

St. Edmond Campion is cited as the first saint to mention the illumination of conscience. But when the quote is read in context, it is clear he is speaking of the Last Judgment, not a worldwide illumination of conscience.

St. Faustina is cited as having prophesied a coming illumination, but nowhere in her diary will you find this stated. In order to come to this conclusion, one must create this interpretation without clear evidence. St. Faustina experienced her own illumination; however, this is common among saints and even everyday people who practice mental prayer and pursue a life of union with God. An individual’s illumination is not proof that a worldwide, simultaneous illumination is coming. In the case of St. Faustina, one has to conflate two different things in order to get to the conclusion of a worldwide illumination of conscience. It’s her personal illumination and a vision of a sign in the sky (involving light during darkness). The element of light is used in both cases but with different meanings.

Blessed Anna Maria Taigi is quoted as having predicted a worldwide illumination; however, the only evidence of this quote is people saying she said it. There is no evidence in her writings.

Pope Pius IX: Like Blessed Anna Maria Taigi’s quote, no original source has been found. Also, he does not explicitly mention a worldwide illumination of conscience; one must read into the text, as is done with St. Faustina. He speaks of a “great wonder” which The Warning proponents interpret as an illumination of conscience.

The apparition at Heede, Germany, does not explicitly state that there will be a worldwide illumination of conscience. One has to read this into the text, similarly as is done with the Pope Pius IX quote above and St. Faustina.

Along the same lines, some messages of Maria Esperanza, although they have approval, do not explicitly mention a worldwide, simultaneous illumination of conscience. Like the others, one must read this idea into the words. Maria Esperanza said, “In the coming years a new light from Heaven will illuminate hearts.” This could be interpreted to mean increased graces of conversion. Without an explanation, we can’t definitively conclude that what was meant at Betania was a worldwide illumination.

Elizabeth Kindlemann’s writings have not been officially declared “worthy of belief” by the Church.

Luz de Maria Bonilla’s alleged locutions are ongoing, so they cannot yet be declared worthy of belief.

The first example I can find of an explicit reference to a warning or worldwide illumination of conscience comes from the unapproved messages of Garabandal. The local bishops have consistently declared that the supernatural character of the apparitions could not be confirmed. In other words, the messages of Garabandal do not have Church approval.

Lastly, there are some red flags concerning “Countdown to the Kingdom:”

1. Countdown to the Kingdom saying that Fr. Rodrigue's bishop approved his messages, and then having to take that back.
2. Vague references to saints without actual quotes.
3. Actual quotes being taken out of context to mean something they did not necessarily mean.
4. Some of the quotes being of questionable authenticity.
5. The connection with Garabandal, which has not been approved by any local bishop.
6. The belief in an extended era of peace that resembles the heresy of Millenarianism.
7. The fairly specific timing indicated in Fr. Rodrigue's recent prophecies
8. The Imprimatur on “The Warning” book is not the acting bishop, but a bishop emeritus. Also, the bishop who gives the Imprimatur should be of the diocese where the book was published. The book was published in Sacramento, CA, but the retired bishop who gave the Imprimatur is in Lipa, Philippines. This same bishop issued an Imprimatur for Vassula Ryden, who was censured by the Vatican.
9. It’s very troubling that people dismiss all these arguments by saying, "Well, you need to have faith."
If what a person longs for is His own illumination of conscience, in getting to know God and His will, and having abiding peace and joy, then his time would be better spent learning and practicing mental prayer and pursuing a life of union with God. And if one day a worldwide illumination were to be given, he would be well prepared for such a meeting with God. But more importantly, he will be well prepared to meet God face-to-face in the particular judgment when his life is over.

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Hello Christy, I tried opening the link on Becky Malmquist, the person you quoted on this post, but the message from FB says it's unavailable, Who is she? Is she a theologian? I noticed that Kevin Symonds also mentions her, but nothing more.
https://kevinsymonds.com/page/2/

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Fede said: ↑

Apparently, garabandal was not condemned. So for our own discernment but there are many many priests and faithful who believe in its authenticity. I don't know if any diary was ever written by the visionaries. I assume not, but taking a young girl and holding her for 5 hours to try to convince her to sign papers of denial doesn't sound very Christian. I guess time will tell.
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I am VERY open to Garabandal. That’s why I posted what I did. To me, it’s not in the same category as all the others listed since it still has a fluidity about it that keeps it in motion until God potentiality acts.

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Hello Christy, I tried opening the link on Becky Malmquist, the person you quoted on this post, but the message from FB says it's unavailable, Who is she? Is she a theologian? I noticed that Kevin Symonds also mentions her, but nothing more.
https://kevinsymonds.com/page/2/
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Hi Booklady,

Hmmm. That link works fine for me. You might try clicking on the link in the Symonds article. I believe she's an admin for the Contemplative Prayer Group and is studying to be a Carmelite. It will say on her page, for sure.
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Brief update on Fr. Rodrigue. He is not working with members of his new order at the moment. They can only communicate with him via mail.

"...The Apostolic Fraternity of St. Benoit Joseph Labre did not react to the bishops’ comments.

“Father Michel Rodrigue is currently on a spiritual retreat,” said a spokesman, adding that any request for information should be sent to him by mail.

“We, too, can only contact him by mail now,” said Martel."

https://cruxnow.com/church-in-the-americas/2020/09/two-canadian-bishops-disavow-priests-prophecies/

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Hi Booklady,

Hmmm. That link works fine for me. You might try clicking on the link in the Symonds article. I believe she's an admin for the Contemplative Prayer Group and is studying to be a Carmelite. It will say on her page, for sure.
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Thank you, Christy.

No it does not work for me. Tried many times. I am asking you because you introduced her to us at MOG and spoke well of her, so I assume you know more about her.

Regarding the position of administrator for the Contemplative Prayer Group, do you mean administrator, like in charge of a Facebook group?

Also, do you know if this group is under the auspices or affiliated with a Catholic Church or religious order , or is this solely a Facebook site? Do you happen to know if the Group has a separate website? And is there a link to the group? Thanks in advance.

PS. I noticed that Kevin Symonds linked her name to the Christine Watson's imprimatur. It only showed a picture of the verso of the title page. But now the link to the Facebook page is also expired so I can't see it again.

"URL signature expired"

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Hi again, Booklady,

I don't personally know Becky Malmquist. All I know is what I've read on the Facebook group posts, which a friend pointed me to. They are all members of a contemplative prayer discussion group on FB. (Not church sponsored to my knowledge.) Clearly there are plenty of active Catholics out there who don't go along with the "prophetic consensus" espoused by "Countdown."

The post is the work of many people who did research and contributed responses that were then compiled. I copied it for this thread to provide another and different look at the issues underlying Fr. Rodrigue's messages and disavowal.

Now, I don't know why you can't access the FB page!! Are you signed up for Facebook? I usually sign in before I look around, although I have not had problems myself following links. Sorry I can't be more help, I'm not very technical.

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Yes! I certainly wish people could see this fact. Is it some Modernist theological invention needing ten plus pages in order for it to be explained, with words dancing around each paragraph creating a veneer of semblance? If yes, then it’s likely some novelty of its creator and, as far as I’m concerned, doesn’t hold much weight.~AN

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