In Defense of Perverts.

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  1. HeavenlyHosts

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    Just read it
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    Archbishop Viganò has cleared his conscience
     
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    Just turned on channel 4 in DC and the news has broken from lifesite onto the local DC affiliate with NBC this morning at 7 am
     
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    Praise God for doing this work and exposing all this filth.

    But I do wonder how these people can live with themselves? Especially how does Poep Francis live with himself? How does he look at himself in the mirror in the mornings?

    But the turth of the matter, as Scripture teaches us is that the very first victim of an evil person is their conscience. They kill this first. Covering up for pervers is evil and the people who do it are evil; it is as simple as that. Plus on the list of evil things a person can do in this life anything to do with this kind of perversion is just about the most evil, diabolical in fact.

    So we have could grounds for suspecting certain Cardinals and even the Pope Francis himslef may be diabolically possessed. It would not surprise me in the least.

    He is one of the spookiest looking guys I ever saw. Especially those scarey dead eyes. But I wonder why the Caridnals, Bishops and priests who enocunter him every day not see this?

    Oh well thank God and Our Blessed Lady for dragging all this filth way out in the open.

    Thank you Jesus.

    Thank you Mary.

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    Explosive is an understatement.
     
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    I not only LIKE this post, I LOVE it:love:
     
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    Yes thank Jesus, this is a real miracle. How wonderful to see heaven in action like this at first hand. It is better than watchiing the best Hollywood movie ever. Talk about being caught with your pants down.:):):)

    I can;t wait to here Raymond Arroyo and the rest. I am so happy.
     
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    I certainly wouldn't call this a happy event but a very necessary one. Many of us practicing Catholics currently so lucky to just be able to check in the internet for the latest on the scandal could soon find our churches ransacked and priests attacked. The true persecution of the church has barely begun and neither has the true testing of our faith.
     
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    Well I must admit it is like Christmas come early for me. I always used to love the part of the movie the bad guys got their deserts. I am totally delighted in fact. Bring it on. :D:D

    Have a listen to this.

    https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/episcopal-sodomy-pope-francis-must-resign

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    Thanks Padraig. Please excuse my caution. The devil is bound to have more tricks up his smoking sleeve. May Our Lady's heel give it to him into his smouldering neck.

    It is certainly good that left-wing outlets sympathetic to what Pope Francis has come to stand for, such as the Guardian and the paedophile-sympathetic Huffington Post, are beginning to turn on him. Not because of any moral reasons, of course, but they might be beginning to perceive that he is of no further use to their machinations.
     
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    I think there is more to come Padraig. If Pope Francis is the Pope Fr Roux’s spoke of, then PF is preparing for the coming Antichrist. It’s not the end of the world, but the end of an era. Most of the Garabandal predictions have arrived. Let’s see what happens after the October 3 to 28 Synod. Satan is not done yet.
     
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    Michael Voris mentioned the following in his video above,

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    'As your shepherd I find them to be credible,' Bishop Joseph Strickland wrote.
    Texas bishop urges ‘thorough investigation’ of allegations against Pope Francis
    by Patrick B. Craine | https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/t...vestigation-of-allegations-against-pope-franc
    TYLER, Texas, August 26, 2018 (LifeSiteNews) – After the release last night of an explosive letter by the Vatican’s former nuncio to the United States, a Texas bishop said he found the allegations against the Pope and other senior cardinals to be “credible,” and called for a “thorough investigation.”

    Bishop Joseph E. Strickland of Tyler, Texas told priests to “include this notice in the masses on August 26, and post it on their websites and other social media immediately.”

    The principal charge in the eleven-page letter by Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano is that Pope Francis knew about sexual abuse of seminarians by former Cardinal Theodore McCarrick, and nonetheless removed sanctions that had been imposed against the cardinal by Pope Benedict XVI.

    Read the full text of Archbishop Viganò's explosive letter here.

    Archbishop Viganò, who served as apostolic nuncio in Washington D.C. from 2011-2016, alleges that after his election, Pope Francis made McCarrick “his trusted counselor” and that he took his advice in several key liberal appointments in the U.S., including Cardinal Blase Cupich in Chicago, Cardinal Joseph Tobin in Newark, and Bishop Robert McElroy in San Diego.

    Vigano implicates numerous other cardinals in the cover-up, including Cardinals Sodano, Bertone, and Parolin. He insists that Cardinal Wuerl, the current archbishop of Washington, D.C. was well aware of McCarrick’s misdeeds, contrary to Wuerl’s own assertions.

    “Let us be clear that they are still allegations but as your shepherd I find them to be credible,” Bishop Strickland wrote. “Using this standard the response must be a thorough investigation similar to those conducted any time allegations are deemed to be credible.”

    “I do not have the authority to launch such an investigation but I will lend my voice in whatever way necessary to call for this investigation and urge that it’s findings demand accountability of all found to be culpable even at the highest levels of the Church,” he added.

    In comments to LifeSite today, Cardinal Raymond Burke insisted Vigano’s charges must be taken seriously and also called for a thorough investigation of every allegation.

    “The corruption and filth which have entered into the life of the Church must be purified at their roots,” Burke said.

    “The declarations made by a prelate of the authority of Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò must be totally taken to heart by those responsible in the Church. Each declaration must be subject to investigation, according to the Church’s time-tried procedural law.”

    Read Cardinal Burke’s full response to Archbishop Vigano’s letter here.

    Bishop Strickland’s full letter to the faithful:

    Dear Priests, Deacons, Religious and all Holy Faithful of the Diocese of Tyler,

    A letter (see below) by Archbishop Vigano, former Nuncio to the United States, raises grave allegations and calls for the resignation of numerous high ranking prelates including Pope Francis.

    Let us be clear that they are still allegations but as your shepherd I find them to be credible. Using this standard the response must be a thorough investigation similar to those conducted any time allegations are deemed to be credible. I do not have the authority to launch such an investigation but I will lend my voice in whatever way necessary to call for this investigation and urge that it’s findings demand accountability of all found to be culpable even at the highest levels of the Church.

    As this unfolds I urge all in the Diocese of Tyler to pray fervently for Holy Mother Church and beg the Intercession of Our Blessed Mother. We are the flock of Jesus Christ. He is Lord of His Church and His Holy Spirit will guide us through this darkness.

    Almighty God Father, Son and Spirit have mercy on your Church and cleanse her in the fires of your Love.

    Blessed Virgin Mary, Pray for us
    All Sainted Popes & Bishops in Heaven, Pray for us
    All Holy Men and Women, Pray for us

    I direct all priests to include this notice in the masses on August 26, and post it on their websites and other social media immediately.

    Most Reverend Joseph E. Strickland
    Bishop of Tyler
     
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    The following article references an official letter that Pope Francis wrote on August 20th to address the sexual abuse crisis in the Church. I thought some here may be interested in this letter along with this article which discusses the letter a little bit and the crisis in the Church. Although Pope Francis's letter and this article were both written before Archbishop Vigano's letter was made public, I think it may be useful to read both.
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    Editorial | Aug. 24, 2018 | http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/dublin-reflects-the-wages-of-the-abuse-crisis-writ-large
    Dublin Reflects the Wages of the Abuse Crisis Writ Large
    EDITORIAL: The pain of the still-unfolding scandal won’t be healed quickly.
    The Editors
    The 2018 World Meeting of Families (WMOF) scheduled in Dublin this week was supposed to be a shot in the arm for a demoralized local Church and a global celebration of Catholicism’s countercultural vision of marriage and family life.

    No doubt, Ireland’s sharp decline in church attendance and priestly vocations, coupled with its recent legalization of abortion and same-sex “marriage,” surely confirmed the need for evangelization and spiritual renewal in what was once thought of as the West’s main bulwark of vital Catholicism.

    But it is unlikely that the World Meeting of Families will produce the desired outcome, and that is because the Church’s cascading sexual-abuse crisis has rightly grabbed most of the headlines.

    From Santiago, Chile, to Washington, D.C., new revelations involving the sexual misconduct of cardinals, bishops, priests and seminarians (including minors and adults) — and their cover-up — have pulled attention away from the primary focus of the Dublin meeting.

    Francis issued a somber “Letter to the People of God” that pledged to undertake a thorough housecleaning. [emphasis added. My comment: This is the link to Pope Francis' official letter that I referenced above.]

    “No effort must be spared to create a culture able to prevent such situations from happening, but also to prevent the possibility of their being covered up and perpetuated,” read his Aug. 20 letter. The Pope’s words signaled that the unfolding abuse crisis was not only a problem for a handful of local Churches, but a source of shame for the entire Church and an impediment to its global mission to save souls.

    Among the first scheduled events of the Pope’s Dublin trip this weekend is a visit to St. Mary’s Pro-Cathedral, where he will pray silently in the Blessed Sacrament chapel. There, a single candle burns in remembrance of the young survivors violated by clerical predators, a terrible and lengthy scourge that came to light during Ireland’s 2009-2010 abuse crisis, which led to the resignation of two bishops. The Pope will also tackle the scandals in at least one speech and is expected to meet privately with victim-survivors.

    These steps are essential, as the Church continues to reach out to offer support and seek the forgiveness of those who have lived with deep wounds since childhood.

    Yet the Pope’s formal gestures remind us of what else has been lost in the wake of this self-inflicted tragedy: the solace and security of a united community of faith and the moral credibility of the Church. Today, the drumbeat of abuse or cover-up revelations has left Ireland’s bishops thoroughly marginalized.

    And so when the country debated the legalization of abortion earlier this year, some pro-life activists, fearing the Church would tarnish their cause, directed bishops and pastors to limit their comments to the pulpit rather than a public campaign.

    Likewise, in the months leading up to the World Meeting of Families, an aggressive effort by activists to influence the agenda — and present same-sex unions as equivalent to marriage as a union of one man and one woman — offered further evidence of the weakened moral authority of Ireland’s Catholic shepherds. Cardinal Kevin Farrell, the Irish-born prefect for the Dicastery for Laity, Family and Life and the Vatican’s point man for the Dublin event, said the pastoral congress was designed to accommodate shifting social currents and that families that didn’t fit the traditional mold would be welcomed, including same-sex couples. The change in policy offered an olive branch to “LGBT” advocates within and outside of the Church: Irish Prime Minister Leo Varadkar, who is openly homosexual, had vowed to challenge Catholic teaching on same-sex “marriage” during his meeting with the Pope.

    But the overtures from WMOF leadership to the “LGBT” community are unlikely to satisfy anybody, and the Pope has already been criticized for sending a confusing message to Catholics.

    Truth be told, the unfolding spectacle in Dublin magnified the various ways the clergy-abuse crisis has contributed to the decline of the faith in the United States, as well as to the struggles of practicing Catholics who feel betrayed and under siege, fearful that loved ones will turn away in disgust from the Church.

    As the parade of lurid headlines in the United States and elsewhere continues, Catholics question the ability of the bishops and the rest of the Church hierarchy to respond adequately to the problem. The faithful are sickened by the abuse that has been revealed, as well as by the cover-up, and their anger and disillusionment is palpable.

    The steady flow of new reports of sexual-abuse allegations, homosexual misconduct and immorality among the clergy signal that the crisis will likely touch many U.S. dioceses. Some responses, like the decision by Cardinal Seán O’Malley of Boston and Archbishop Charles Chaput of Philadelphia to investigate accusations of homosexual scandal at their diocesan seminaries, have been rapid. And the U.S. bishops have promptly endorsed plans for “an investigation into the questions surrounding Archbishop McCarrick; an opening of new and confidential channels for reporting complaints against bishops; and advocacy for more effective resolution of future complaints,” according to an Aug. 16 letter from Cardinal Daniel DiNardo of Galveston-Houston, the president of the U.S. bishops’ conference.

    But the pain of the still-unfolding scandal won’t be healed quickly. And the entrenched problems that have produced this crisis remain the subject of intense debate at the highest levels of the Church, with some prelates refusing to even acknowledge the impact of homosexual conduct in seminaries and the priesthood.

    The rejection of basic facts and the tone deafness on display as bishops defend their flawed legacies suggest that many Church leaders have not grasped the lessons of Ireland: A culture can change very rapidly, and in frightening ways, when shepherds fail to protect their flocks and lose all credibility.

    Lay Catholics, for their part, must brace themselves for a long journey toward restoration with their eyes fixed on the cross.

    “The floodgates have opened,” Ralph Martin, professor of theology at Sacred Heart Major Seminary in Detroit, told the Register. “It won’t be a quick fix.”

    Our faith will be tested, he said: “Jesus wants the Church to be holy, ‘without spot or wrinkle,’ and then he will present her to his Father. The Lord sends prophets, and if we don’t pay attention to them, he sends lawyers and newspapers.”

    But as the faithful continue to demand justice and accountability, and pray for and aid the victims, he said, we also “need to get up every day and do God’s will for our lives. We still need to love the people in our lives, and we still have this treasure in earthen vessels. The Catholic Church is still the place where the treasure is, where the truth is. Jesus is there, and he will lead us through this.”
     
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    It is difficult to take the words of Pope Francis at face-value in the context of the Chilean debacle and the latest revelations from Archbishop Vigano. I can't forget that, in Chile, the Pope made a long and determined effort to install his man, an abuse-facilitator at the least, against enormous opposition and more or less accused the accusers of being liars. Now, we hear he rehabilitated McCarrick and entrusted him with enormous power. Something seems very rotten in the State of Denmark.
     
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    It seems to me that Archbishop Vigano's letter may be the lightning rod that many good and holy priests have been waiting for. I wonder how many will seize this opportunity and push for an investigation of the Pope. I think that we must pray that God grant courage to all priests and religious who are considering whether to take up arms and join the good fight.

    This definitely seems like a "you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours" type of situation.
     
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    Your latter sentence seems about the most benign interpretation, at this point.
     
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    You know it sounds a crazy thing to write; but it is not these allegations about cover up and even encouragement of sexual perversion in the very highest Church that concerns me most. No it is and always has been the spread of heresy. Leading bad lives is the tree on which everything hides, but heresy is the fruit that falls off the tree.

    However in taking an ax to the tree we make sure the fevil fruits do not fall.

    How spiritually are we to take the silence of Pope Francis in the face of such allegations. Is it spriitually correct to remain silent in such cirumstances?

    Well there is the case of Christ who was silent like a Lamb in face of His accusers, certainly.

    Old Testament Prophecy Bible Reference: Isaiah 53:7





    He was oppressed and afflicted,
    yet he did not open his mouth;
    he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
    and as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
    so he did not open his mouth.





    New Covenant Fulfillment. Matthew 27:1-2


    When he was accused by the chief priests and the elders, he gave no answer. Then Pilate asked him, "Don't you hear the testimony they are bringing against you?" But Jesus made no reply, not even to a single charge—to the great amazement of the governor.


    However the case of Pope Francis here is different I believe. He is acting as Shepherd to the Flock, thus he carries the shepherds flock to protect it from harm . So he has a leading role in protecting the flock. This is not simply a finger pointed at the Pope but at the Church and the Hierarchy as a whole.

    So he has not only a right but a duty to respond one way or other. If they are false to defend the Church from them. If they are true to admit them and indicate his futre course of action (which could only be to resign).

    Silence is not an option.


    Acts 20:28-32
    "Be on guard for yourselves and for all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood. "I know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; and from among your own selves men will arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after them. read more.

    1 Thessalonians 5:12-13 But we request of you, brethren, that you appreciate those who diligently labor among you, and have charge over you in the Lord and give you instruction, and that you esteem them very highly in love because of their work. Live in peace with one another

    Acts 20:28

    Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.

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    “The floodgates have opened,” Ralph Martin, professor of theology at Sacred Heart Major Seminary in Detroit, told the Register. “It won’t be a quick fix.”

    Our faith will be tested, he said: “Jesus wants the Church to be holy, ‘without spot or wrinkle,’ and then he will present her to his Father. The Lord sends prophets, and if we don’t pay attention to them, he sends lawyers and newspapers.”


    I have had the pleasure of Ralph Martin speaking at our annual Diaconate summer gathering here in Syracuse, NY. I respect him greatly. His quote above is concise, yet speaks volumes.

    Safe in the Refuge of the Immaculate Heart!
     
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    The Pope did respond in his own way though. What indeed worries me is that he told journalist to read the report and use their professionslism and maturity, because they will “realize” by the,selves.. So he answered in an indirect way, leading journalists to suspect about the report - suspicion is the key hear - if the report is true, his answer (to make people suspect about the report and his writer) is the best strategy, instead of saying a plain “it is false,” that is what worries me even more.
     
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