Cardinal Pell

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  1. padraig

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    I am convinced the poor guy is innocent.

    More than that that he was set up by people within the Vatican and elsewhere for the good work he was doing. A Martyr for the Church. I can;t begin to comprehend what he is going through. But he cheers me up so much ; a Holy Good Man suffering for the Truth, after seeing all the wicked Cardinals.

    Praying for him tonight. Poor, poor man, my heart goes out to him.

     
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    Amen.
     
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    Isn't it so weird that the wicked always seem to come out on top while the good, the honest, the holy wind up in prison or dead? Jesus didn't end up hung on a Cross by accident.

    I hear the Vatican Finances are worse than ever with wicked people pillaging the Church's money left right and centre. It reminds me of Judas, the first person to mind the treasures of the Church.

    Wolves love money.

    John 12:6

    Mary Anoints Jesus
    …5“Why wasn’t this perfume sold for three hundred denarii and the money given to the poor?” 6Judas did not say this because he cared about the poor, but because he was a thief. As keeper of the money bag, he used to take from what was put into it. 7“Leave her alone,” Jesus replied. “She was intended to keep this perfume to prepare for the day of My burial.…


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    Great to hear back from Cardinal Pell that the prayer is helping him. Lets keep praying for him.
     
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    https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/...n-the-church-cannot-allow-any-confusion-22640

    Cardinal Pell: ‘Amazon or no Amazon, the Church cannot allow any confusion’

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    CNA).- Cardinal George Pell has written a letter thanking supporters for their prayers and saying he is “disturbed” by the preparations for the forthcoming synod on the Amazon.

    The text of the two-page, handwritten letter - images of which were shared with CNA and confirmed by sources close to Pell - has been circulated amongst a group of Pell’s closest supporters in Australia.

    In the letter, dated from Melbourne Assessment Prison on August 1, the cardinal also says that he has been sustained in his incarceration by his faith and by the prayers of the faithful, and that he is offering his suffering in prison for the good of the Church.

    “The knowledge that my small suffering can be used for good purposes through being joined to Jesus’ suffering gives me purpose and direction,” Pell writes in the letter. “Challenges and problems in Church life should be confronted in a similar spirit of faith.”

    Pell goes on to say that “we have reason to be disturbed by the Instrumentum Laboris of the Amazonian Synod,” which was published in June ahead of the October meeting.

    That document, which has been the source of considerable discussion and commentary, included discussion on the subject of ordaining so-called viri probati, or “proven men” who are married, to answer a shortage of priestly vocations.



    The working document, which calls for “a Church with an indigenous face,” further recommends that the synod identify “an official ministry that can be conferred upon women, taking into account the central role they play in the Amazonian church.”

    “This is not the first low-quality document the Synod secretariat has produced,” Pell writes.

    The cardinal, apparently in reference to the considerable debate and criticism sparked by the synod’s proposed agenda - which has also included some calls for changes to the matter used to celebrate the Mass - also notes that “Cardinal G. Müller, formerly of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, has written an excellent critique.”

    “I am no expert on the region,” Pell says, though noting he has travelled to parts of the region, but cautions that “as in the Amazon, a lot of water has yet to run before the Synod.”

    “One point is fundamental, the Apostolic Tradition, the teaching of Jesus and the Apostles, taken from the New Testament and taught by Popes and Councils, by the Magisterium, is the only criterion doctrinally for all teaching on doctrine and practice.”

    “Amazon or no Amazon, in every land, the Church cannot allow any confusion, much less any contrary teaching, to damage the Apostolic Tradition,” he said.

    The cardinal emphasized the need for unity in the essentials of Christ’s teaching, while also calling for charity in all things.

    “We must always remember that the Church is one, not just in the sense that good families stick together, whatever their differences, but because the Church of Christ is based in the Catholic Church, which is the body of Christ.”

    Following his conviction in the County Court of Victoria on five counts of child sexual abuse in December last year, Pell was sentenced in March to six years in prison, of which he must serve at least three years and eight months.

    Legal experts and commentators have discussed the weight of evidence produced against Pell during the trial, noting that the conviction rests solely on the testimony of one of Pell’s alleged victims.



    Attention has also been drawn to the plausibility of Pell’s apparent crimes, in which he is supposed to have sexually abused two teenage boys simultaneously in the Melbourne cathedral sacristy after Mass, at a time when the space would have been both crowded with people and exposed to view.

    The verdict was immediately appealed by Pell’s legal team and the cardinal has remained in prison since that time.

    On June 5-6, judges at the Supreme Court of Victoria heard Pell’s appeal against the jury’s decision. After extensive arguments from both sides, prosecutors appeared to falter under questioning by the judges.

    Led by court president Justice Chris Maxwell, the lead counsel for the prosecution struggled to account for what the judge called the “wildly improbable” circumstances of Pell’s alleged crimes.

    The judges have been considering their decision since the June hearing. Sources close to the case told CNA that a decision is expected within the next two weeks.

    In the letter, Pell says that he has received between 1500-2000 messages of support during his time in prison, and that he intends to answer all of them.

    The prayers and letters of the faithful, he said, “bring immense consolation, humanly and spiritually.”

    “My faith in the Lord, like yours, is a source of strength.”
     
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    I agree, SgCatholic. I hope Our Lady is comforting him.
     
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    Is that the end or is there a higher court he could appeal to? Does Australia have a Supreme Court, or is Australia party to some kind of international Court similar to the European Court?
     
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    He is deciding on a Higher Appeal.

    Heart breaking. The Government there can't afford him to win. The fix will be put in.

    Prayers.
     
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    Yes. He is suffering for the Church.
     
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  12. And this Pope urged the good Cardinal to not take diplomatic immunity while seeming to rush to protect the known and obviously guilty perps. Usually he seems to haul them to the Vatican for protection and cover.
     
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    Yes. I was thinking of this myself.

    The proof of the pudding will be in the eating. What will Pope Francis do now?
     
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    How aful but then the servant is not greater than the master. Remember God wins.
    Cardinal Pell will be a witness to the crucifixion of the truth in this time. I will continue to pray for him.
     
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    I was praying for Cardinal Pell and all those who are lied about or slandered. In front of the Blessed Sacrament at the Adoration chapel after Mass. I asked the Holy Spirit give me a way to pray on this. Bingo! Psalm 64 came forcefully to mind. I opened the Bible. The psalm speaks of an innocent man slandered by evil forces begging God to vindicate him. It was powerful in deed. I prayed it for Cardinal Pell and Donald Trump and all those working with him to bring back justice and the rule of law to the US and the world. I really believe the Holy Spirit gave me that psalm.
     
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    Thank you, AED. My heart is heavy and troubled about poor Cardinal Pell.
     
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    Well you know on the bright side Prison is a wonderful place to pray. I know I've been there:)

    You know if I had to pick a future Pope it would be Cardinal Pell

    Why? Because he has been in prison and had time to pray.:)

    I recommend a good dose of Prison for all Catholics; it does wonders for the soul. What Is Purgatory after all but a prison?

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  18. Having so far let the poor man swing in the biased wind is this only an effort to seem somewhat concerned after urging the man not to use his diplomatic immunity in the first place? And there is reason to believe that this will just add to the good Cardinal's pain while the Vatican stands, again, in solidarity with the world in that similar "quasi" approach being offered here? I pray not.

    Pope Francis breaks his silence on George Pell's failed appeal with a cryptic tweet saying it takes 'more strength to repair than rebuild' - as Cardinal faces ANOTHER trial at the Vatican


    • Catholic Church head broke his silence on Pell's failed Supreme Court challenge
    • Pope Francis wrote in Twitter post 'it takes more strength to repair than to build'
    • The Vatican reserves right to try priests accused of crimes under church laws
    • The church said they would wait until a High Court appeal before taking action


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...lls-failed-bid-freedom.html?ito=rss-flipboard
     
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    We must keep praying for poor Cardinal Pell. This cryptic tweet and the waiting seem like a ghastly cop out.
     
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    Weird Pope makes weird Tweet.
     
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