The Apostles 'judged'. The apostle Paul said, “Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God” (1 Co 6)
John the Baptist judged The one who prepared the way of the Lord publicly rebuked King Herod for marrying his brother’s wife contrary to the law of God.
Pope Francis has judged the Mafia. “The ’Ndrangheta is this: the adoration of evil and contempt of the common good,” Pope Francis said. “Mafiosi are excommunicated.”
"So there is a difference between judging the actions and deeds of a person. Only God can judge a person." Garabandal, the sentence above that you write is spot on. But all your other examples are examples of judging sinful behaviour or judging categories of sinners for their actions. As you have said, "only God can judge a person". Keep to that and there will be no argument.
I want to clarify what I meant. Only God can judge a person's life. If a person commits murder we can judge the act hence we can say they are a murderer. But only God can judge that person's life.
Speaking of context .... I couldn't find the name Benedict.....was it in code....or does one just assume....which leads to confusion....as in the arguments against Francis.
Anyone have a link to an actual transcript of an actual interview? So far as I can see, scrolling through 11 pages, is discussion of this topic based on a secondhand report in LifeSiteNews, which I trust just slightly more than the Huffington Post. Just days before, Pope Francis had very harsh words to say about the crime of abortion in his airline interview; now I am supposed to believe he praised an abortionist (the subtext being he praised her because she is an abortionist). That dog don't hunt.
As has been mentioned on this forum in the past, it is a Spiritual Work of Mercy to "admonish the sinner". Discernment of right and wrong does not equate with judgement. So it is our duty as Catholic Christians to acknowledge, and kindly correct, sinful acts, especially those in the public forum. It is not unkind to do so, but is actually loving because you may be the one person that inspires someone to repent and therefore, save their soul.
He also named former foreign minister Emma Bonino, ex-Italian president Giorgio Napolitano, and Lampedusa Mayor Giusi Nicolini as the country's "forgotten greats" for their selfless dedication to building bridges with Africa, to serving Italy, and to upholding the rights of refugees. http://www.ansa.it/english/news/vat...cis_5f7c9c4c-8235-4f50-9eaa-383381292550.html Yip - he praised her & two others for service to Italy. There doesn't have to be a subtext. She is well-known in Italy and throughout the world for her abortion stance. In fact here is a photo that she is rather proud of.
"He also named former foreign minister Emma Bonino, ex-Italian president Giorgio Napolitano, and Lampedusa Mayor Giusi Nicolini as the country's "forgotten greats" for their selfless dedication to building bridges with Africa, to serving Italy, and to upholding the rights of refugees." But not for aborting babies? Hmm....Seems to call into question the LSN story. Doesn't say he praised her for being an abortionist. And he praised her as one of a group of people. But I don't see headines proclaiming "Pope Francis praises defender of refugees." No clickbait there. No occasion for people to wring their hands there. Anyway, is not a transcript of the interview.
How many more times are you going to post this photo, garabandal. We know you are horrified by abortion. So are we all. So is Pope Francis. Why do we need to be reminded of its horror? Are you trying to make us feel you are more horrified than we are?
Why do we need to be reminded? The photo is a reminder of what Bonino stands for. Let me speak for that child Emma Bonino aborted. The aborted have no voice. You will not bully me or intimidate me into being quiet.
You are quick Brian, I didn't notice this. But from the message content it seems also to be referring Ultra Traditionalist Schismatics who refused to accept the Novus Ordo mass as valid.
This is a link the piece in the newspaper: http://www.corriere.it/cronache/16_...si-739bf6ee-cdf6-11e5-9bb8-c57cba20e8ac.shtml This is the Google translation of the paragraph that mentions Bonino: But in meetings at Casa Santa Marta he insists with his interlocutors that "Europe must and can change. It can and must reform itself. If it is unable to financially help the countries from which the refugees come from, you must face the problem of how to address this great challenge that is primarily humanitarian, but not only. Is an educational system is broken: that transmitting values from grandparents to grandchildren, from parents to children. It is appropriate to consider the problem of how to rebuild it. " Often, Bergoglio using a biblical metaphor. Compares the Old Continent to Sarah, Abraham's wife. Sarah is sterile, and when it has more than seventy years, according to the customs of those ancient times gives wife his slave to her husband because she gives birth to a son. But then, miraculously, he manages to get one to ninety. "Europe," he likes to say Francis, "it is like Sarah, who first gets scared but then smiles secretly." His hope, relates those who spoke to him, is that Europe 'smile secretly "to immigrants. The force can only come from the memory of the "great forgotten figures" of its recent history. Francis is an admirer of the protagonists of the European renaissance after the Second World War. He quotes the German Chancellor Konrad Adenauer, Foreign Minister of France, Robert Schuman, the Italian Alcide De Gasperi. But he sees "great forgotten" even in the chronicle of our times. "For example, the woman mayor of Lampedusa, Giusi Nicolini," for the way you are spending for refugees. And is used to quote "among the greats of today's Italy," is the Head of State emeritus, Giorgio Napolitano, the former Minister Emma Bonino. "When Napolitano accepted for the second time, at that age, and though for a limited period, to take an assignment of that weight, I called him and told him that it was an act of" heroism "patriotic." As to Bonino, to interlocutors that strabuzzano eyes feeling mention the Radical leader, he argues that "it is the person who knows better Africa. He offered the best service to Italy to learn about Africa. They say: it is people who think very differently from us. True, but never mind. We have to look at people, at what they do. " In a different online free translation, the last sentence reads like this: As for Bonino, to interlocutors who glaze over their eyes on hearing mention radical exponent, asserts that "is the person who knows most about Africa. And offered the best service to Italy to learn about Africa. Tell me: are people who think very differently from us. True, but never mind. You have to look at people, at what they do.
You joined this forum today just to bash and undercut reports by LifeSiteNews? And try to misrepresent what they reported? No one said the pope praised her because she was an abortionist. The problem is he praised her despite her history of being an unrepentant abortionist. Go elsewhere to spew your liberal nonsense.
We don't need posters here fighting for the progressive agenda and against sites like LifeSiteNews. Go elsewhere to post your falsehoods.
Brian K, I am not misrepresenting what they reported. I said I don't trust them (based on experience) and asked for a primary source. If asking for a primary source is "liberal nonsense," then you must not care about facts, only about sites that reaffirm your own preconceived thinking.
Their sources are inside the Vatican. I have yet to see them post anything untrustworthy but those with a liberal agenda seem to make that baseless charge routinely. You don't care about facts if you compare a faithful site like LSN to Huffpost. The only goal of such behavior is trolling.
Dolours actually helped me by posting a transcript of the interview in Italian. Once I can get it translated, I can make my own judgment. That's called research. I always go to primary sources. That's what I was taught to do in, you know, college and graduate school.
