Fake News

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  1. SteveD

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    This guy, Professor Tim Wilson, a Brit, speaks Russian, taught at a Moscow university for several years and has current contacts in both Russia and in the Ukraine so perhaps he can be accorded some credibility to those who regard the BBC as a wickedly partisan 'propaganda machine' acting to the same degree as the slavishly obedient Russian media. His contacts in both countries know that soft civilian amenities such as hospitals, schools and even kindergartens are being targeted by Russian troops in the Ukraine and are as appalled as anyone in the west. His contacts have the choice of keeping silent on the 'special military operation' or claiming to approve of it. The alternative is losing their jobs, risking prison time, or fleeing abroad. A bit different from the wicked west where everyone on here has the luxury of damning our politicians without any risk whatsoever.

    The professor also makes the interesting point that the letter 'Z' is not part of the Cyrillic alphabet but has been chosen as an identifier for Russian tanks and rocket launchers. At the rally Putin recently held, the posters read 'Za (which means 'forward') using the Roman letter and then the word 'Russia' in Cyrillic. The letter Z is now used as a symbol of approval for the war and is appearing on houses, cars, commercial vehicles and even hearses for those who want to 'keep on the right side' of the authorities or actually approve the slaughter because they believe Russian media propaganda. The widespread appearance of the symbol is being likened to the sudden and widespread appearance of the swastika in thirties Germany and is almost as chilling.

    A few statistics from Kyiv - YouTube
     
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    Stop exaggerating, Steve. Pointing out that a State broadcaster is not impartial and giving an example of its partiality isn't calling it a wicked propaganda machine. That one side in a war may be more evil than the other doesn't make either side good. Putin may be all of the things you and the BBC say he is but that still doesn't justify provoking a war in Ukraine to remove him.

    Totalitarianism is bad. We don't have it here yet. Not yet, but the past two years of media hype and cancel culture have shown us that it could be a lot closer than any of us would have believed. I hope you will remember this conversation when you own nothing and the BBC is telling you how happy you are. And there will be no shortage of University professors telling them how right they are.
     
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  3. SteveD

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    Well the cat appears to be out of the bag on this one. The Russian Deputy Minister of Defence, General Valery Gerasimov went on record in 2013 in a speech to the Russian Academy of Military Sciences setting out his theory of successfully waging war. The first step he said was to soften up the enemy by inserting people trained in 'psyops' to create fear and dissension within the enemy country to hopefully create internal enmity and civil war, this would eventually provide a sufficient excuse to invade. The use of disinformation, misinformation should be applied with the aim of creating a climate of fear in the general public and readiness to surrender in the armed forces. He said that a declaration of war before attack should not be made (as in the Ukraine) but assurances that no attack is envisaged should be used right up to the attack being made (Gerasimov said two weeks prior to the attack on the Ukraine that no invasion was envisaged and that it definitely would not happen!).

    His speech to the Academy included the following; 'A thriving state can, in a matter of months or weeks, be transformed into an arena of fierce internal armed conflict and be reduced into a place of chaos, humanitarian disaster and civil war.' Thus the aggressor appears to the population to be the saviour by bringing order and an end to the violence created by the aggressor.

    So, thanks presumably to the Minister's vanity and related hope that his foul theories might get him into the history books and books of military theory, he permitted his musings to be made public (some years ago) and we now know that all these theories have been applied in the Ukraine. The Russian public are also being fed misinformation on a massive scale to ensure their support and compliance.
     
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    Your sentence in bold brings more quickly to my mind thoughts of Somalia, Libya, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan and so forth, not to mention that policy document that came to light some years ago about the deliberate creation of 'failed states'. What you describe is the explication of a strategy, without sufficient evidence of its being implemented, whereas the failed states that I have mentioned are the real-world consequences of that strategy put into practice.
     
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    Relying on liars for the demonstration of truth is not a successful tactic. Once one's good name crashes and burns, it's a very, very long road to restore it. It's certainly not going to be restored without complete repentance, yet the Western media continue to blatantly lie to our faces over just about everything and don't apologise or even seem embarrassed when they are found out. It is not insignificant that Our Lord's definition of the devil was of a 'liar and a murderer'. Both qualities are related-lies kill the perception of truth and trust, stone dead. You might well be right in what you say, Steve, but it's going to take a lot more than the verification of the Western media to convince me. A lot more.
     
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  6. SteveD

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    I recommended the BBC as a fairly reliable conduit of news only to be dismissed as a dupe. I recall that the BBC made a documentary about the Spanish Inquisition at some cost and trouble involving a close examination of the archives by expert historians, this explodes the myth of an hysterical tribunal condemning millions to death and instead the Inquisition is commended as a model of justice for its time. Dismissing every BBC reporter and producer as a knowing liar was, of course, detraction at best. They do have some investigative journalists of world class who I do not believe would be involved in some vast conspiracy involving every western journalist, which is of course both outrageous and grossly improbable.

    Watch this it is very good and example of worthy and expert investigation. If you read their latest reports on the mass murders by retreating Russian troops, it might give some pause for thought.

    spanish inquisition documentary bbc - YouTube
     
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    If “vast conspiracies” had men as their sole author, I might agree with you.

    But when 95% of un-deplatformed western journalists are blatantly agnostic or atheistic progressives, then Satan himself is the author of these vast conspiracies, not mankind.

    Because Satan fills the hole in the soul not filled by God.

    So no matter how well meaning this 95% of western journalists may be, if they’re not in the state of grace, they are under preternatural influence, even if not manipulated by a dark cabal of men brooding over a boardroom table somewhere.

    And THAT preternatural influence can and does coordinate the ultimate vast conspiracy, the destruction of mankind and the loss of souls to hell.
     
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    Bingo! This is what I have suspected for years now. Thank you SteveD wonderful post(s)!!!
     
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  9. SteveD

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    So, when the BBC made their masterful exposure of the whole 'Spanish Inquisition' myth, Satan for some reason suspended his influence over their staff and experts? You don't believe that. The staff of the BBC are not ALL being totally and mindlessly misled in tandem. When a Russian journalist stands up and says that the country is being misled, they are risking 15 years in prison (in spite of this some have been brave enough to do so) but not one journalist of the major media outlets in the west has stood up and said the same. You do realise that your thesis (that the western press is providing misinformation and that Putin's is giving us the truth) is shared by the remnants of the Communist parties both in Russia and the West. The former KGB thugs now running Russia just took over and pretended to be 'normal politicians' - they are committed Communists looking to recreate the USSR and to take over the world bit by bit.
     
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    The BBC first did their Spanish Inquisition documentary in 1994, the research for which would have been in the year or years prior to it.

    2022 is 28 years later, almost one and a half generations.

    So no, one simply cannot base the relative objectivity or lack thereof, of the present BBC, on what it produced one and a half generations ago.
     
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    The BBC have a morning show here in the North of Ireland, called 'the Nolan Show'. The biggest show in the country, they tell us (everyday).
    This show (like the BBC generally) recurrently led the way in pushing abortion on Northern Ireland. It did the same with gay marriage. And also with its endless push for those vaccines, lockdowns etc.
    It didn't ever discuss vaccine injuries, or ever offer a balanced view on how those vaccines may not work. It wouldn't have stopped - but for war in Ukraine. And it now, funnily enough,pushes unfettered immigration from Ukraine upon us.
    It never mentioned the Canadian truckers until the end of their protest - and only then did so fleetingly. And painted them as whimsical and fringe.
    It has attacked the Catholic church almost daily.
    So no Steve, the BBC is not impartial.
    Please, take it from people who listen to it every day.
    The BBC (like many institutions these days) is as biased as they come!
     
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  12. SteveD

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    No, it isn't. Russian media is 'as biased as they come'. The difference between journalists who can resign with impunity and scream that they don't agree with the party line and those (in Russia and other countries) who face imprisonment and possibly death for contradicting their government's line is as different as they come. We are supposedly the servants of the living Truth as Catholics and we live in a culture that is deadly BUT people like you, STILL for all that, can say what you will (as you just have) without any penalty whatever. In Russia, you would be waiting for a knock at the door. Appreciate what you have, little though you might consider it.
     
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    My Last Word on the matter:
    Reliable sources of information on the situation in the Ukraine:

    Poland

    The Polish governing party has close relations with the Church and because of various pro-Christian policies is regarded with disdain by many western governments. Poland also shares a border with Ukraine and has a highly regarded secret service. It is in no doubt as to who the ‘bad guys’ are in this war. Since the recent massacres the government is considering allowing US nuclear weapons onto its territory.

    The Ukrainian Orthodox Church (Moscow Affiliated)

    Kyiv Metropolitan (Archbishop) Onufry Berezovsky of the UOC-MP appealed to Putin for "an immediate end to the fratricidal war" accusing him of the sin of Cain. Another UOC-MP Metropolitan, Evology, from the eastern city of Sumy, told his priests to stop praying for Metropolitan Kirill of Moscow.

    The Victims

    Unless one assumes that the accounts of Russia's indiscriminate destruction of hospitals, schools, apartments etc. from the many thousands of refugees now in the west are fabricated, we can rely on their eye-witness accounts. Those who have suffered or witnessed the subsequent looting, killing and rapes will, no doubt provide accounts of their experiences to the authorities and press at some stage.

    INTERESTING QUERY
    A Russian on YT is asking the following questions and saying that other Russians are equally curious.

    1. Putin gave ONLY two reasons for intervening in the Ukraine:

    a) To ‘de-Nazify’ the government and

    b) To demilitarize the country so that it would not present a danger to Russia!

    2. These objectives are clearly unattainable without capturing the capital and seat of government, Kyiv, along with current political leaders. But the Russian government NOW says that taking Kyiv is not one of its objectives. So, what are the Russians doing there?
     
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    Exactly, instead of listening to a news story its more like so what is the underlying agenda they are pushing, better still avoid the mainstream news altogether. Less fear, worry, anxiety and hatred to be dealing with,
     
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    I see hospitals here are being encouraged by Government to ask males to confirm they are not pregnant before undergoing Medical Procedures. The Doctors and Nurses and others doing this are very, very well educated. So they are not falling into all this because they are stupid.

    Why do they follow it then?

    It is more than a little frightening because if everyone else around you goes stark staring mad, it would be very,very hard indeed to maintain your own sanity. They are going mad, quicker and quicker each passing day.

    I love the fact that God is the Ultimate Reality. The Real Truth. He is the total antidote for the insane.

    There is a huge sadness to all this. I was thinking the other day that I am so glad I am older and will not have to hang around to witness much more of this awful stuff. I have just no idea where they will end up with all of this, but it will be somewhere truly gruesome and horrible.

    Thank God there is always the, 'Off Switch'. I must keep it all switched off.

    I notice they are only asking men under 60 if they are pregnant. Since I am 67 I assume this means I can no longer have a baby.

    A bitter, bitter, blow.

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...k-men-60-pregnant-getting-medical-procedures/

    Clown World: UK Hospitals Are Now Being Encouraged to Ask ALL Men Under 60 if they are PREGNANT Before Getting Medical Procedures

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  17. Indy

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    Finally there are people I can say that this is completely nuts and they agree. Have we reached peak insanity yet.

    I hope you don't feel too bad about not being able to give birth anymore, at least the dogs won't be shocked like if you showed up with mini-Padraig,
     
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    If I am asked I am likely to be angry, very angry & I won't hold back.

    As the old saying goes - I will probably vent my spleen!
     
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    The other alternative is to say yes, tripplets!! and see how they react. Then tell them to seriously cop on!
     
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    I wonder if Hell itself is like this? A kind of Eternal Lunatic Asylum?

    I love it that our Catholic Faith is all about the heart. But I love it too that it is about using our mind and logic and philosophy. That it is so much more than this touchy feely stuff.

    At least when the Great Winds of the Chastisement Blow perhaps they will blow out the candles of this collective madness before they turn into bonfires.

    Fr Mark Goring had good things to say:

     
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