Is this the end of Holy Mass.

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  1. HeavenlyHosts

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    I let God sort that out.
     
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  2. Dolours

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    You're blessed. I simply couldn't go to a Mass offered by the likes of Fr. Reese. To my mind, that would be assisting in mockery rather than worship no matter how carefully he utters the words of consecration.
     
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    Well, don’t misunderstand. I meant that if we think too far ahead, we might miss how God is guiding us through the morass.
     
  4. Dolours

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    Thanks. I'm just wondering how many Catholics in Germany and Belgium are wishing they had made contingency plans when the writing was on the wall in those countries years ago.
     
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    Same here. Its just not possible for me. At this point I am abjectly grateful for any Mass!
     
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    Agree.
     
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    Ditto here!
     
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    Just read these two articles that popped up in my inbox this morning.Thought I d share with you.

    I categorized them as.... from DESPAIR to HOPEFUL JOY !....or better yet...from the RIDICULOUS to the SUBLIME!

    Concerning the Latin Mass:
    https://www.crisismagazine.com/2021...atin-mass?mc_cid=be8ccc7a0e&mc_eid=5fd6fb13a0

    And....
    (Whatever you think of Mark Mallet ..you cant argue with his sources ( with the exception of Luisa Piccarreta)
    Also.... for many of us going thru some heavy duty suffering... maybe an end to it all.!

    https://www.markmallett.com/blog/the-coming-sabbath-rest/
     
  9. Michael Pio

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    Unfortunately this is not funny. Note the totalitarian attitude. He wants to prohibit children from attending traditional Holy Mass. It is not funny, it is very serious.
     
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    Dolours,

    I was thoroughly impressed by this clip. I understand the following about the efficacious claim. Both TLM and NO are valid and the supreme gift of the True Presence available in both. The degree of efficaciousness is founded upon the direction of our prayers. Those prayers directed toward the worship and exaltation of God are more efficacious than those directed toward the Body of Christ present. Fr. Ripperger claims that some prayers directed toward the worship of God were dropped in the Novus Ordo; prayers and liturgical decorum shifted toward the Body of Christ gathered.

    It was also interesting that due to his experience as an exorcist, language plays a part, because satan prefers the vernacular: the devil especially hates the 3 languages describing truth on the Cross: Jesus King of the Jews, written in Hebrew, Latin, and Greek. Thus the devil finds the TLM more reprehensible!

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    One of my reasons for preferring Mass in the vernacular was that people in the pews were hearing sacred Scripture in a language we understand. Many people, even regular Mass goers, never read the Bible, so with Mass in the vernacular, they hear the readings and the priest can use the homily to improve our understanding of the faith. Nowadays, there's no guarantee that homilies will have more than a vague link to the readings. Fr. Ripperger changed my mind when he said that education of the faithful is secondary to offering back to God the word of God as a sacrifice of praise. Taylor Marshall quoting "Read thou the Gospel for the living and the dead" from the old ordination rite of Deacons further convinced me. Latin being one of the three languages of the Cross is also a reminder that Mass is the re-presentation of Christ's sacrifice on Calvary.

    My dilemma now is that, apart from the inconvenience of getting to the TLM, having found a church where the NO is offered with great reverence, leaving it doesn't seem the right thing to do because faithful priests deserve all our support now. The NO can be beautiful. Thinking back to the TLMs of my youth, I know that the NO can be more reverent than a sloppily done TLM.

    Also, I did a search to find out whether an SSPX Mass is OK. Catholic Answers had an article from a few years ago saying that it is. There was something about the SSPX needing a Bishop's permission to officiate at weddings and another Sacrament (possibly Confession) but there was no mention of their needing permission to say Mass. A Canon law website dealt mostly with attending SSPX Masses during the pandemic when our own Masses are closed to the public. They were of the opinion that it is permissible to attend SSPX Masses. They quoted the relevant Canon Law which said something about a moral need to hear Mass in what they called schismatic churches. It seems to me that with TLMs being so rare, the moral need could be applicable if SSPX is the only TLM available at a reasonable time and venue. I can't recall the exact wording of that Canon law bit the word "moral" or "morally" was used.

    I know that Fr. Ripperger was repeating an old joke about the bread and wine being the only things that don't change at a Jesuit Mass, but nowadays that could very well be the case in Masses offered by priests with questionable faith.
     
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    Signed!
     
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    Attending an SSPX Mass is legitimate, even the Vatican confirmed this.
     
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    Also, the 3-yr cycle in the Novus Ordo also exposes Catholics to much more Scripture than the TLM which is a plus.

    The difficulty of older faithful Catholics returning to the TLM is that they were young (teens and children) when they did attend, and it was generally as incomprehensible back then as it is now. I'm in that age-related camp. So apart from the high Masses with great solemnity, the low TLM draw must generally be an intellectual choice, rather than related to aesthetics.

    The choice to switch must be decisive and deliberate.

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    All SSPX Masses are illicit. I have said that before. The local bishop grants permission to priests to celebrate Mass within the diocese. The SSPX priests do not receive that permission.
     
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    For me and my husband, the draw is in our heart. Even at the low Mass... What appeals to us so much is being able to rest in the silence, in the presence of God, as He is given due honor and praise by the priest who prays for us. It makes us feel like a child, trusting our father (priest) to offer our prayers to God for us. My husband likes to just be silent before God, and I like to quietly offer whatever prayers and devotions spring to mind as I observe the Mass.
     
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    I am always impressed by the reverence of TLM but in general attend NO in my country parish. That's when I can attend. As you are aware we are currently locked out. I like to hear scripture and I wish the changes that were made in V2 were to bring the reading of scripture in the vernacular into the TLM, that and no more.
     
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    WOW :cry: My head too can’t wrap itself around this. Are the mosques and synagogues open? Perhaps the Irish should buy Nazi flags and plant them around the government buildings. Or perhaps while outside the church praying add arm bands with crosses on them. It may be against charity but it would help illustrate the point.
     
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    All we have to do is to stop doing what they order s to keep doing. As Dr Martin Luther King suggested. But that takes a certain courage centered on belief that what we are doing is right and necessary.

    Mostly Our Bishops need to grow a pair.

    I'm not holding my breath.

     
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