Synod on synodality

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  1. Dave Fagan

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    Josephite, I watched more of the video and saw the reference to the other book by Fr. Yasuda, which has not been translated.
    Thanks for posting the video.
     
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    It's certainly disturbing to hear of the 'last pope' handing Christ over, in the manner of Judas, to His enemies. The words and actions of Pope Francis certainly engender suspicion. One is reminded of the prophesies of St. Malachi, which indicate that Francis would be the last pope.

    What struck me as I watched the recommended 20-35 minute segment, which dealt, among much else, with the significance of the number 101, was the repetition of the number '3'. The Akita apparition was in 1973. The book by Father Yasuda referred to by Father Mary (a very appropriate surname) was published in 2003 and Father Yasuda died, it seems with the odour of sanctity, in 2013. Probably just coincidences.
     
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    Synod Report: A Church that involves everyone and is close to world’s wounds
    The Synthesis Report at the conclusion of the 16th General Assembly of the Synod on Synodality is published. Looking ahead to the second session in 2024, the text offers reflections and proposals on topics such as the role of women and the laity, the ministry of bishops, priesthood and the diaconate, the importance of the poor and migrants, digital mission, ecumenism, and abuse.

    By Salvatore Cernuzio

    Women and the laity, diaconate, ministry and magisterium, peace and the climate, the poor and migrants, ecumenism and identity, new languages and renewed structures, old and new missions (including the “digital” mission), listening to all and probing everything more deeply, even the most 'controversial' issues. In the Synthesis Report approved and published today by the 16th General Assembly of the Synod on Synodality, there is a renewed look at the world and the Church and their demands. After four weeks of work, which began on 4 October in the Paul VI Hall, the General Assembly concluded its first session today in the Vatican.

    The document of some forty pages is the result of the work of the assembly that took place “while wars both old and new have raged in the world, with dramatic consequences that are impacting upon countless victims.” The report continues, “The cry of the poor resounded among us, of those forced to migrate and of those suffering violence and the devastating consequences of climate change. We heard their cry not only through the media, but also through the voices of many present, who were personally involved in these tragic events whether through their families or their people” (Foreword).

    To this challenge and many others, the universal Church has tried to offer a response in the Small Circles and in the interventions. Everything came together in the Synthesis Report, which is divided into a preface and three parts, and which traces the path for the work to be done in the second session in 2024.

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    Listening to all, beginning with victims of abuse
    As in the Letter to the People of God, the synod assembly reaffirms an “openness to listening and accompanying all, including those who have suffered abuse and hurt in the Church”, which “addressing the structural conditions that abetted such abuse, remains before us, and requires concrete gestures of penitence”.

    The face of a synodal Church
    Synodality is a first step. It is a term that the participants in the Synod themselves admit is “a term unfamiliar to many members of the People of God, causing some people confusion and concern” (1 f), including fears of a departure from tradition, a debasement of the hierarchical nature of the Church (1 g), a loss of power or, on the contrary, immobility and a lack of courage for change. “Synodal” and “synodality” are instead terms that “speak of a mode of being Church that integrates communion, mission, and participation”. So they indicate a way of living the Church, valuing differences and developing the active involvement of all. This begins with deacons, priests, and bishops: “A synodal Church cannot do without their voices” (1 n), we read. “We need an understanding of the reasons for resistance to synodality by some of them”.
     
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    ...and Pope Benedict's death and Pope Francis' election occurred in 2013

    God has his favorite numbers too, 3 and 13 because they represent the Holy Trinity...
     
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    Mission
    The document continues explaining that synodality goes hand in hand with mission. Hence, it is necessary that “Christian communities are to enter into solidarity with those of other religions, convictions and cultures, thus avoiding, on the one hand, the risk of self-referentiality and self-preservation, and on the other hand the risk of loss of identity” (2 e). In this new “pastoral style”, it would seem important to many to make “liturgical language more accessible to the faithful and more embodied in the diversity of cultures” (3 l).

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    The poor at the centre
    Ample space in the Report is devoted to the poor, who ask the Church for “love”, understood as “respect, acceptance, and recognition” (4 a). “For the Church, the option for the poor and those at the margins is a theological category before being a cultural, sociological, political or philosophical category” (4 b), the document reiterates, identifying the poor not only as those who are materially impoverished, but also migrants; indigenous peoples; victims of violence and abuse (especially women), or racism and trafficking; people with addictions; minorities; abandoned elderly people; and exploited workers (4 c). Among “the most vulnerable of the vulnerable, on whose behalf constant advocacy is needed, [are] the unborn and their mothers”, the document continues. “The Assembly hears the cry of the ‘new poor’, produced by wars and terrorism that plague many countries on several continents, and the assembly condemns the corrupt political and economic systems that cause such strife”.

    The most vulnerable of the vulnerable, for whom constant advocacy is needed, are the children in the womb and their mothers," reads the text of the Assembly, which says it is "aware of the cry of the 'new poor' produced by wars and terrorism also caused by 'corrupt political and economic systems'.

    Commitment of believers in the field of politics and for the common good
    In this sense, the Church is urged to be committed both to the “public denunciation of the injustices” perpetrated by individuals, governments, and companies; and to active engagement in politics, associations, trade unions, popular movements (4f and 4g). At the same time, the consolidated action of the Church in the fields of education, health, and social assistance, “without any discrimination or the exclusion of anyone”, must not be neglected (4 k).

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    Migrants
    There is also a focus on migrants and refugees, “many of whom bear the wounds of uprooting, war and violence”. They “often become a source of renewal and enrichment for the communities that welcome them and an opportunity to establish direct links with geographically distant churches” (5 d). Faced with increasingly hostile attitudes towards them, the General Assembly says, “We are called to practice an open welcome, to accompany them in the construction of a new life and to build a true intercultural communion among peoples”. Fundamental in this sense is “respect for the liturgical traditions and religious practices of migrants” as well as respect for their own language. For example, a word like “mission”, in contexts where “the proclamation of the Gospel was associated with colonization, even genocide”, is laden with “painful historical memories” and “hinders communion today” (5 e). “Evangelising in these contexts requires acknowledging mistakes made, learning a new sensitivity to these issues”, the document states.

    Combating racism and xenophobia
    Equal commitment and care is required of the Church “to engage decisively in education, in the culture of dialogue and encounter, combating racism and xenophobia, especially through pastoral formation” (5 p). It is also urgent to identify “systems within the Church that create or maintain racial injustice” (5 q).

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    Eastern Churches
    Remaining on the subject of migration, the Report looks to Eastern Europe and the recent conflicts that have caused the flow of numerous faithful from the Catholic East into territories with a Latin majority. It is necessary, the Assembly says, “for the local Latin-rite Churches, in the name of synodality, to help the Eastern faithful who have emigrated to preserve their identity and cultivate their specific heritage, without undergoing processes of assimilation is the request of the Fathers” (6c).

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    On the road to Christian unity
    With regard to ecumenism, the Report speaks of a “spiritual renewal” that requires “processes of repentance and healing of the memory” (7c). It goes on to quote Pope Francis’ expression about an “ecumenism of the blood”; that is “Christians of different affiliations who give their lives for faith in Jesus Christ” (7d), and it mentions the proposal for an ecumenical martyrology (7o). The Report also reiterates that “collaboration among all Christians” is a resource “for healing the culture of hatred, division and war that pits groups, peoples and nations against each other”. It does not forget the issue of so-called mixed marriages, which are realities in which “it is possible to evangelize each other” (7 f).

    Laity and families (Part II)
    “Laymen and laywomen, those in consecrated life, and ordained ministers have equal dignity” (8b): this conviction is forcefully reiterated in the Synthesis Report, which recalls how the lay faithful are “increasingly present and active in service within Christian communities” (8e). Educators in the faith, theologians, formators, spiritual animators, and catechists, active in safeguarding and administration: their contributions are “indispensable to the mission of the Church” (8 e). The different charisms must therefore be “called forth, recognized and fully appreciated” (8 f), and not be ignored, underutilized, or “clericalised” (8 f).

    Women in the life and mission of the Church
    There is, then, a call for a strong commitment on the part of the Church to accompany and understand women in all aspects of their lives, including pastoral and sacramental ones. Women, it says, “cry out for justice in societies still marked by sexual violence, economic inequality and the tendency to treat them as objects” (9 c), adding “Pastoral accompaniment and vigorous advocacy for women should go hand in hand”.

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    Clericalism
    Many women present at the Synod “expressed deep gratitude for the work of priests and bishops”, but “also spoke of a Church that wounds" (9 f). “Clericalism, a chauvinist mentality, and inappropriate expressions of authority continue to scar the face of the Church and damage its communion”. A “profound spiritual conversion is needed as the foundation for any effective structural change”; and the General Assembly noted that “we desire to promote a Church in which men and women dialogue together… without subordination, exclusion, and competition” (9h).

    Opening the diaconate to women?
    Various opinions on opening the diaconate to women were acknowledged (9 j): for some, it is “unacceptable because they consider it a discontinuity with Tradition”; for others, it would restore a practice of the early Church; still others see it as “an appropriate and necessary response to the signs of the times … that would find an echo in the hearts of many who seek new energy and vitality in the Church”. Then there are those who are concerned that opening the diaconate to women would involve “a worrying anthropological confusion, which, if granted, would marry the Church to the spirit of the age”. Fathers and mothers of the Synod ask to continue “Theological and pastoral research on the access of women to the diaconate”, making use of the results of the commissions specially set up by the Pope, as well as the theological, historical and exegetical research already carried out: “If possible”, they say, “the results of this research should be presented at the next Session of the Assembly” (9 n).

    Discrimination and abuse
    In the meantime, the urgency of ensuring “that women can participate in decision-making processes and assume roles of responsibility in pastoral care and ministry” is reiterated, noting that canon law should be adapted accordingly (9m). Cases of employment discrimination and unfair remuneration must also be addressed, including those in the Church where consecrated women are often considered “cheap labour” (9 o). Similarly, women’s access to theological education and training programmes must be expanded (9 p), including promoting the use of inclusive language in liturgical texts and Church documents (9 q).

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    Consecrated Life
    Looking at the richness and variety of the different forms of consecrated life, the Report warns against the “persistence of an authoritarian style, which makes no room for dialogue”. The Report notes, too, that “cases of abuse of various kinds experienced by those in religious life and members of lay associations, especially of women, signal a problem in the exercise of authority and demand decisive and appropriate interventions” (10 d).

    Deacons and formation
    The Assembly then expresses gratitude to ordained ministers, who are “called to live their service to the People of God in a disposition of proximity to people, welcoming and listening to all, while cultivating a deep personal spirituality and a life of prayer” (11b). The Report warns against clericalism, a “distortion of the priestly vocation” that “needs to be challenged from the earliest stages of formation” by ensuring “close contact” with the people and those in need (11 c). The request is also expressed, along these lines, that seminaries or other courses of formation of candidates for the ministry be linked to the daily life of communities (11 e), in order“to avoid the risks of formalism and ideology that lead to authoritarian attitudes, and impede genuine vocational growth”.

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    Celibacy
    Mention was made of the theme of celibacy, which received different evaluations during the assembly.” Its value is appreciated by all as richly prophetic and a profound witness to Christ”; the Report says, while noting that some ask “whether its appropriateness, theologically, for priestly ministry should necessarily translate into a disciplinary obligation in the Latin Church, above all in ecclesial and cultural contexts that make it more difficult. This discussion is not new but requires further consideration”.

    Bishops
    There is ample reflection on the figure and role of the bishop, who is called to be “an example of synodality” (12 c) by exercising “co-responsibility”, understood as the involvement of other actors within the diocese and the clergy, so as to lighten the burden of “administrative and legal commitments” which can hinder his mission (12 e). Coupled with this, the bishop does not always find the human and spiritual support he needs, while “a certain sense of loneliness is not uncommon” (12 e).

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    Abuses
    On the question of abuse, which “places many bishops in the difficult situation of having to reconcile the role of father with that of judge” (12 i), the Report supports the exploration of the “appropriateness of assigning the judicial task to another body, to be specified canonically” (12 i).

    Formation (Part III)
    A “synodal approach” is then requested for formation, with the recommendation that work be undertaken “on relationship and sexual education, to accompany young people as they mature in their personal and sexual identities and to support the maturation of those called to celibacy and consecrated chastity” (14 g). The Report emphasizes the importance of deepening “the dialogue between the human sciences” (14 h) so as to enable “careful consideration of matters that are controversial within the Church” (15 b) – that is, among other issues, matters “such as those relating to matters of identity and sexuality, the end of life, complicated marital situations, and ethical issues related to artificial intelligence”. Issues such as these are controversial precisely “because they pose new questions” in society and in the Church (15 g). “It is important to take the time required for this reflection and to invest our best energies in it, without giving in to simplistic judgments that hurt individuals and the Body of the Church”, the Report says, while recalling that “Church teaching already provides a sense of direction on many of these matters, but this teaching evidently still requires translation into pastoral practice”.

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    Listening
    With the same concern, the Report renews the invitation to hear and accompany “people who feel marginalized or excluded from the Church because of their marriage status, identity or sexuality”. “There was a deep sense of love, mercy and compassion felt in the Assembly for those who are or feel hurt or neglected by the Church, who want a place to call ‘home’ where they can feel safe, be heard and respected, without fear of feeling judged”, the document says, while insisting that “Christians must always show respect for the dignity of every person” (16 h).

    Polygamy
    In light of the experiences reported in the Synod hall by some members of the Synod from Africa, SECAM (Symposium of Episcopal Conferences of Africa and Madagascar) is encouraged to promote “a theological and pastoral discernment” on the topic of polygamy and the accompaniment of people in polygamous unions who are coming to faith” (16 q)

    Digital culture
    Finally, the Synthesis Report speaks of the digital environment: “It is up to us to reach today's culture in all spaces where people seek meaning and love, including the spaces they enter through their cell phones and tablets” (17 c), bearing in mind that the internet “can also cause harm and injury, such as through intimidation, disinformation, sexual exploitation, and addiction”. The Report adds, “There is an urgent need to consider how the Christian community can support families in ensuring that the online space is not only safe but also spiritually life-giving” (17 f).

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    Where's the Good News?
     
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    This is the hippie church of "what's happening now". It'll be out of date by tomorrow.
     
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    The last of the 60s hippies - frozen in Vatican II time and space.

    Oh I forgot - 'Time is Greater than Space' - Obi Wan Kenobi of Star Wars fame said that, I think, or at least he should have said it because it belongs to science fiction.
     
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    You've said it--in a nutshell.
     
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    Yes it will. Its already out of date. Popes used to fiercely warn about the danger of " novelties"---this is the synthesis of all novelties.
     
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    Once upon a time there was a new Sheriff call Frankie appoint to take care of Law and Order in a town not far from here.

    Ten years later a large deputation of citizens who were troubled , frightened and confused by what was happening in the town went to see Sheriff Frankie to ask him a few questions.

    'Sheriff Frankie', they said, 'the town is in a state of total chaos and law and order has totally broken down. Even many of your own closest deputies are breaking the law. The entire town has turned into a mad house and in some parts of the town such as the German Quarter the Mafia are running things'.

    Sheriff Frankie fixed them with a steely pair of ice blue eyes and said, '..and..?'

    The townsfolk looked at each other confused and bewildered,

    'But Sheriff Frankie aren't you going to do something about it all? That big party you're holding in the Roma Bar the Synod on synodality is full of crooks and ne'er do well and has begun to burn this town to the sticks!'

    Sheriff Frankie looked at them disdainfully, 'Well now', he drawled and lifted e a pile of papers on his desk, 'Look at all these statements and posters I 've put up saying all the right things, how can you say I'm doing nothing'.

    The townsfolk looked at each other bewildered.

    'But Sheriff shouldn't you be out on the streets fixing things and straightening things out? I mean before you came to office things was pretty peaceful round here?'

    Sheriff Frankie looked at them with even greater disdain then waved them closer and said in a hushed whisper,''I have a secret plan...'

    The audience was even more astonished before one of them blurted out,

    'What is your secret plan Sheriff?'

    The Sheriff stood and gazed at them triumphantly , 'My plan in a nutshell is to draw all the poison in this hear town way out in the open . You can't deal with them when they are all hiding'.

    More bafflement. Then a small child asked the big question.

    'Well then Sheriff, that's sure great, but when and how are you going to deal with it?'

    The Sheriff stared once again in great anger and disdain at the crowd before them,

    'That's a secret' and waved them out of his office.

    As the residents left his office amidst the sight and sound of the burning down town, amidst the screams of dying citizens and gunshots, the sights and sound of a dying, once prosperous town they stored the wise words of Sheriff Frankie in their hearts. He was going to do something , somehow, sometime.

    But somehow this was not a big comfort to them. For their town was burning down around them and if there Sheriff was bad, what hope was there for them?

    Better to believe that Sheriff Frankie did indeed have some secret plan. It felt better that way.

    Matthew 7:15-20
    You Will Know Them by Their Fruits
    15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.




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    These points caught my special attention; after all, what would be a liturgy adapted to different cultures? Regarding respect for liturgical and religious traditions, has anyone ever imagined the possibility of an ecumenical liturgy aimed at the religion of immigrants who often come from Muslim countries? Some prophecies speak of the creation of an invalid mass rite, and I think this could be the "first dish of the day" after the consolidation of the two assemblies.
     
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    Indeed. As someone else responded, if something walks and talks and looks like a duck, let's face it, the something is a duck. Nevertheless, it is true that he's exposing the huge number of influential heretics and perverts in the Church by providing them with the confidence to speak out. We know who they are and what they stand for. The masks have slipped. Was it good Bishop Schneider who said recently that we are not in a 'crisis of the Church', which is ultimately indefectible, but in a 'crisis of prelates'? They are either heretics, apostates, atheists, perverts, some combination of both, or most of those that remain Catholic wouldn't say 'boo' to a goose.
     
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    On another thread I talked of a recent post (4 hrs ago) from Mother and Refuge with Fr Elias about Sister Agnes and a book by Fr Yasuda her superior and her confessor. Fr Yasuda said that Judas ND the last pope are going to betray/ sell Jesus and nothing can be done to stop it. We must not worry but we must protect our faith and use the arms left to us: the Rosary and the "sign left by my Son"
     
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    Yes I watched that and it all adds up. We had an incidence recently at my church where the priest offered a Mass apologising for our ecological sins. As I left afterwards I met a friend who had a word for where we are at. It was 'captured'.
    Yes the church has been captured or to put it another way Jesus is being sold to the enemy.
     
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    The first Crucifixion had to be. So, it appears, must the second.

    After the Death, Resurrection.
     

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