Synod on synodality

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  1. Mario

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    If my memory serves me correctly, St. Patrick didn't utilize the synodal path, and most of Ireland was converted within two generations.:):coffee:
     
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    Hell is a very inclusive place.
     
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    Yes, St. Patrick didn't like witches. But the new Synod document explains that "witchcraft" is a "disability." And that we mustn't practice "rejection towards persons with disabilities." I'm not making this up. https://www.usccb.org/resources/Documento-Tappa-Continentale-EN.pdf

    36. Numerous reports point to the lack of appropriate structures and ways of accompanying persons with disabilities, and call for new ways of welcoming their contribution and promoting their participation: in spite of its own teachings, the Church is in danger of imitating the way society casts them aside. “The forms of discrimination listed – the lack of listening, the violation of the right to choose where and with whom to live, the denial of the sacraments, the accusation of witchcraft, abuse – and others, describe the culture of rejection towards persons with disabilities. They do not arise by chance, but have in common the same root: the idea that the lives of persons with disabilities are worth less than others” (Report of the special synodal consultation of persons with disabilities by the Dicastery for Laity, Family and Life)​
     
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  4. Mario

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    PNF,

    It is times like this that I wish my wife would choose to be a member; she has a great sense of humor. Your post above indicates that the Dicastery for Laity, Family and Life looks upon those practicing witchcraft as persons with a disability. When I mentioned it to Geralyn, she asked:

    Does that mean if I visit the Vatican and declare myself to be a witch, I can get a pass to use the disabled parking spots?:LOL::LOL::ROFLMAO:
     
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    The Sinod on Sinodality does not believe that sins of the flesh exist.
     
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  6. Julia

    Julia Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us.

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    If the Synod on Synodality considers witches as suffering a disability, this is pure diabolical disorientation, for three reasons that spring to mind.

    1. Witches choose to be witches, disabled people in their right mind do NOT choose to be disabled.

    2 The dark arts or whatever they are called have been condemned in the Old Testament. These practises are condemned in the New Testament as well. No doubt other members of the Forum will be able to quote from the Bible where these condemnations appear.

    3. Some if not all those who choose the dark arts are possessed or obsessed at least to some degree. One exorcist spoke of a client who had become possessed after sleeping with a warlock who had caused the client to be possessed during sexual incontinence.

    Warning, don't sleep with strangers. Sexual incontinence is condemned in the 6th Commandment of God.
     
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  7. "Quis ut Deus"

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    The Litany for the Church in Our Time

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    Let us pray for the virtue of fortitude for our Church leaders and the virtues of faith and hope, for those who are weaker in the faith.

    May God raise us some worthy leaders for us, even though we don’t deserve it. May God spare us from this chastisement, even though His chastisement is just.


    The Litany for the Church in Our Time

    Lord, have mercy.
    Christ, have mercy.

    Lord, have mercy on us.
    Christ, Divine Founder of the Church, hear us.

    Christ, Who didst warn of false prophets,
    graciously hear us.

    God, the Father of Heaven,
    have mercy on us.

    God, the Son, Redeemer of the World,
    have mercy on us.

    God, the Holy Ghost,
    have mercy on us.

    Holy Trinity, One God,
    have mercy on us.

    Holy Mary, Mother of God,
    pray for us.

    St. Joseph, Patron of the Universal Church,
    pray for us.

    St. Michael, Defender in Battle,
    pray for us.

    St. Peter, the Rock upon which Christ built His Church,
    pray for us.

    St. Paul, Protector of the Faithful Remnant,
    pray for us.

    St. Francis of Assisi, Re-builder of the Church,
    pray for us.

    St. Anthony, Hammer of Heretics,
    pray for us.

    St. Pius V,
    Restorer of the beauty of the Sacred Liturgy,
    pray for us.

    St. Pius X, Foe of Modernism,
    pray for us.

    All ye Holy Angels and Archangels,
    pray that we may resist the snares of the Devil.

    St. Catherine of Siena,
    pray that Christ’s Vicar
    may oppose the spirit of the world.

    St. John Fisher,
    pray that bishops may have
    the courage to combat heresy and irreverence.

    St, Francis Xavier,
    pray that zeal for souls
    may be re-enkindled in the clergy.

    St John Vianney,
    pray that our priests may be fortified in the true faith.

    St. Charles Borromeo,
    pray that seminaries
    may be protected from false teachings.

    St. Vincent de Paul,
    pray that seminarians may return
    to a life of prayer and meditation.

    St. Therese of the Child Jesus,
    pray that religious may rediscover
    their vocation of love and sacrifice.

    St. Thomas More,
    pray that the laity
    may not succumb to the Great Apostasy.

    St. Francis de Sales,
    pray that the Catholic press
    may again become a vehicle of Truth.

    St. John Bosco,
    pray that our children may be protected
    from immoral and heretical instruction.

    St. Pascal,
    pray that profound reverence
    for the Most Blessed Sacrament may be restored.

    St. Dominic,
    pray that we may ever treasure and pray the Holy Rosary.

    Lamb of God, Who takest away the sins of the world,
    spare us, O Lord.

    Lamb of God, Who takest away the sins of the world,
    graciously hear us.

    Lamb of God, Who takest away the sins of the world,
    have mercy on us.

    Christ, hear us.
    Christ, graciously hear us.

    Pray for us, O Holy Mother of God,
    That we may be made worthy of the promises of Christ.

    Let Us Pray.

    Jesus, our God,
    in these dark hours when Thy Mystical Body
    is undergoing its own Crucifixion,
    and when it would almost seem to be abandoned
    by God the Father,
    have mercy, we beg of Thee,
    on Thy suffering Church.
    Send down upon us the Divine Consoler,
    to enlighten our minds and strengthen our wills.

    Thou, O Second Person of the Most Holy Trinity,
    Who canst neither deceive nor be deceived,
    have promised to be with Thy Church
    until the end of time.
    Give us a mighty Faith
    that we may not falter;
    help us to do Thy Holy Will always,
    especially during these hours
    of grief and uncertainty.
    May Thy Most Sacred Heart, the Immaculate and Sorrowful Heart
    of Thy Holy Mother and the Chaste Heart of St Joseph be our sure refuge
    in time and in eternity.

    Amen.

    edited to add reference to this prayer
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    if the Synod does not see problems with witchcraft and the participation of false religions; Do not doubt that an abomination even greater than Pachamama will take place at the opening of the universal stage of the process in October 2023.
     
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    I opened scripture today after contemplating Pope Francis trip to Moscow ....

    Daniel 11:27

    The two kings, with their hearts bent on evil, will sit at the same table and lie to each other, but to no avail, because an end will still come at the appointed time. 28The king of the North will return to his own country with great wealth, but his heart will be set against the holy covenant. He will take action against it and then return to his own country.

    29“At the appointed time he will invade the South again, but this time the outcome will be different from what it was before. 30Ships of the western coastlands will oppose him, and he will lose heart. Then he will turn back and vent his fury against the holy covenant. He will return and show favor to those who forsake the holy covenant.

    31“His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation. 32With flattery he will corrupt those who have violated the covenant, but the people who know their God will firmly resist him.

    33“Those who are wise will instruct many, though for a time they will fall by the sword or be burned or captured or plundered. 34When they fall, they will receive a little help, and many who are not sincere will join them. 35Some of the wise will stumble, so that they may be refined, purified and made spotless until the time of the end, for it will still come at the appointed time.
     
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    Thank you Julia for your post. I just sent this to my kids. I want them to be aware that we have a WOKE problem in our Church too. My kids are economically conservative, although some are liberal on social issues. But this witch thing may shock them.
     
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    It shocks me!
     
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    Josephite,

    Thank you so much for this beautiful and powerful Litany on behalf of the Church. It's call to so many wonderful saints is precious, too. I will have to insert this somewhere into my daily routine. I pray that the tender love of Jesus may grace your heart. By the way, on the clock app on my phone, the time zone for Auckland is included so I'll know what time of day it is for you! You're 17 hours ahead of me, so it is almost Saturday noontime for you! God bless!

    Praise to the Lord Whose Love has no time constraints!:cool::ROFLMAO:
     
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    The text doesn't say that witchcraft is a disability. In some societies people with disabilities or physical abnormalities, are accused of being witches/bad medicine/cursed. Albinos, for example, get a very hard time in some African countries. Such cases are probably the reason accusations of witchcraft are mentioned.
     
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    Hi Whatever. The document is focused on "the Church" manifesting these "forms of discrimination." So, you must be saying that you think that the current Catholics in Africa are the ones making "the accusation of witchcraft" against the albino people? If so, no, you are wrong. Read the stories about albinos being targeted in Africa. The people targeting the albinos are "witch doctors," who promote the belief in their followers that the albinos body parts have magical properties.

    The Catholics in Africa are not "witch doctors." The Catholics in Africa are not the ones who are discriminating against albinos. But the Catholics, in defending the albinos, definitely make "the accusation of witchcraft" against the "witch doctors" who kill albinos for their magical body parts.

    The Catholic Church definitely teaches that "witchcraft" is a bad thing and those practicing it should be discriminated against. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the Catholic position on "witchcraft." So to associate the "accusation of witchcraft" with a "form of discrimination" is to make the traditional Catholic teaching tantamount to a human rights violation.

    The Catholic Church teaches that demonic influence can be a real thing and exorcism may be necessary to deal with such a problem. That is not "discrimination" it is charity.
     
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    Does "the Church" manifest any of the other discriminations on the list? What is meant by "the Church". Is it the Church's official stance or is it individuals or groups in the body of Christ? I'm well aware that Catholics in Africa are not witch doctors and that Catholics and other Christians defend the albinos. But are there members of the Church in Africa who profess to be Catholic yet have a lingering reservation about some disabilities?

    Outside developing regions, where are people accused of witchcraft? As far as I know, it's not prevalent in developed countries. There are plenty of people claiming to be witches but that's different that being accused of witchcraft. Maybe it has something to do with some of the strange customs in Latin America? The Church is universal. The vast majority of us are quite ignorant of the problems in areas not familiar to us. Looking at the paragraph you quoted, I'm more curious about what is meant by the violation of the right to choose where and with whom to live.
     
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    The problem in the Catholic Church is not "the accusation of witchcraft." The problem is the Catholic Church is not actively fighting the celebration of "witchcraft," that is taking over the souls of many confused people all over the world.
     
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    The problem is that the Catholic Church is not actively fighting anything that's harmful to people's eternal salvation. Witchcraft is just one item on a very long list.
     
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    From that article, and out of the horse's mouth:

    For much of the talk, and in much of the imagery surrounding the Synod, the focus was to describe the Church as “a journeying together.” Sr. Becquart repeatedly brought up the story of the disciples on the road to Emmaus as an image of the Church. She contrasted this conception of the Church with the traditional conception of the Church—describing a church that does more “listening” than “teaching,” a church that functions like an open square where all can be heard. The presentation claimed that synodality “radically reconceives the distinction between the hierarchy as ecclesia docens (the Church that teaches) and the laity as ecclesia discens (the Church that learns): ultimately the Church is always primarily learning.”​

    A complete inversion of the concept of the Church. "The World" becomes the teacher of the "listening Church." Sound like a good plan, everyone?
     
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