Cardinal Victor Fernandez

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  1. Byron

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    Praying it all ends soon.
     
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    There is also the well-known prophecy that Saint Francis of Assisi had in the 13th century. It's his 13th prophecy from the book Works of the Seraphic Father St. Francis Of Assisi, Washbourne, London, 1882, pp. 248-250, Imprimatur of the Bishop of Birmingham, William Bernard.
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    Source: https://www.saintsbooks.net/books/St. Francis of Assisi - Works of the Seraphic Father.pdf
     
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    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/breaking-vatican-official-says-st-peters-basilica-will-bless-homosexual-couples/

    BREAKING: Vatican official says St. Peter’s Basilica will bless homosexual ‘couples’
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    VATICAN CITY (LifeSiteNews) — Clergy at St. Peter’s Basilica will bless same-sex “couples.”

    According to a report in the Italian newspaperIl Messaggero today, the archpriest of Rome’s most famous church, Cardinal Mauro Gambetti, has stated that blessings of homosexual “couples” could happen there.

    “To show the world the maternal face of the Church and along the lines of what [Pope Francis] has asked for,” Gambetti reportedly said.

    However, he added that as yet nobody has asked the canons of the basilica for such a blessing.

    “It doesn’t seem to me that reports have come in,” the cardinal stated and added that they, presumably the clergy of the basilica, “will move straight along the furrow that has been cut.”

    Gambetti made the remarks during a press conference about the upcoming restoration of Bernini’s famous baldacchino.

    The possibility of such an occurrence in St. Peter’s Basilica was made almost inevitable by Pope Francis’s new declaration on blessings, Fiducia Supplicans, which holds out the possibility of “non-liturgical” blessings of couples in irregular situations and same-sex couples. Nevertheless, the psychological and spiritual impact of the blessing of such couples in Christianity’s most famous shrine will be immense.

    Fiducia Supplicans, prepared by the controversial new prefect for the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith, Cardinal Victor Fernández, has received a mixed reception from bishops, clergy, and laity since its release on December 18, 2023. The document was hailed by such LGBT activist-priests as Fr. James Martin, whose subsequent blessing of a homosexual couple was photographedby The New York Times, as well as by bishops in Germany and Belgium. It also found favor in Beijing-influenced Hong Kong. However, its novelties have been resisted by bishops in Eastern and Central Europe, Latin America and, especially, Africa. Today the president of the episcopal conferences of Africa and Madagascar declared that FiduciaSupplicans’ blessing of same-sex couples will not be implemented in his continent.

    The chief difficulty bishops, priests and laity have with Fiducia Supplicans is that it fails to make a sufficient distinction between the blessing of individuals and the blessing of their objectively sinful relationships. As the American Byzantine Catholic Bishop of Parma, Bishop Robert Pipta, observed recently,“in our society, the word ‘couple’ has come to be understood as two people who have entered a relationship that is either one of dating, engagement, or marriage. According to Church teaching, two people of the same sex cannot be in any of these types of relationships. There can never be a Church blessing for these.”

    Pipta is not alone in observing that there is a difference between blessing an individual and blessing a “couple.” The Archbishop Emeritus of Philadelphia, Charles Chaput, called Fiducia Supplicans “a doubleminded exercise in simultaneously affirming and undercutting Catholic teaching on the nature of blessings and their application to ‘irregular’ relationships.” He observed also that the document “was quickly interpreted as a significant change in Church practice” and cited Fr. Martin’s New York Times photo op.

    RELATED: Abp. Viganò rebukes Vatican official’s remarks on blessing homosexual ‘couples’ in St. Peter’s

    Pope Francis’ permission, through Fiducia Supplicans, of blessings for homosexual couples came as a shock for he had already ruled against such blessings as recently as 2021. However, it should be noted that the Prefect of the then-Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith was Cardinal Luis Ladaria Ferrer, a widely respected theologian. Ladaria was replaced in 2023 by then-Archbishop Victor Fernández, an Argentinian thought to be the ghostwriter for parts of Pope Francis’ controversial Amoris Laetitia, a document which carried a suggestion, half-hidden in a footnote, that Catholics in irregular unions should be permittedto receive Holy Communion.

    As came to light this week, Fernández was also the author of a pornographic theological work in which, among other things, he purported to describe the erotic fantasy of a teenager about Our Lord Jesus Christ. Previously, he was known for a work entitled The Art of Kissing, which he defended as a catechetical work for teens.

    The Catholic Church has always taught, as did the law of Moses before it, that same-sex sexual acts are gravely sinful. This has been expressed more or less vociferously in the Church’s history. The 1992 Catechism of the Catholic Church states the following:

    2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. It psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity (Cf. Genesis 19:1-29; Romans 1:24-27; 1 Corinthians 6:10; 1 Timothy 1:10), tradition has always declared that “homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.” (Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Persona humana, 8). They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

    2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. They do not choose their homosexual condition; for most of them it is a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

    2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them their inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

    RELATED: Bishops will not offer blessings of homosexual ‘couples’ anywhere in Africa


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    It's been said already here and worth repeating, 'fasten your seat belts' God will not be mocked.
     
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    We don’t have much time. And what I mean by this is it will get worse. Homosexual activists will consider this a victory. How many more of our young people will get confused? How many will end up in hell? Praying for the Warning to come this year. It won’t be easy when it comes, but at least there will be conversions.
     
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    Exactly. Fasten your seat belts for sure!!
     
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    "I will not delude you with prospects of peace and consolations; on the contrary, prepare for Great Battles. Know that you are now on a Great Stage where all Heaven and Earth are watching you. Fight like a Knight, so that I can reward you. Do not be unduly fearful, because you are not alone" (Diary of St. Faustina, 1760).
     
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    Pachamama in the Vatican brought us the pandemic subsequent to Sister Agnes Sasagawa's appeal for penance and conversion. Now it is about the legitimization of sodomy in the Mother and Teacher of Truth Church. Does anyone expect anything much worse than a respiratory virus? I thought of something truly terrible of biblical proportions that will be affecting primarily the inhabitants of Rome.
     
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    Yes it crossed my mind. Fr Charles Murr said on Robert Moynihan's podcast that as bad as this egregious new directive is he feels Pachamama was a direct insulting blasphemy and idolatry right in God's face.
     
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    "When Rome falls so will the world".
     
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    I think that we do have good priests and bishops who speak out. The trouble is that they are cancelled. Getting themselves cancelled leaves a clearer field for the likes of Fr. Martin and Cardinal Fernandez. On top of that, they have to contend with "Catholic" rags or "nothing to see here" YouTubers doing hit pieces on them. It's probably easier for African Bishops because depravity in the Catholic community there is unlikely to be as widespread as it is in our countries. Bishops and priests who don't promote sodomy and adultery are less likely to be lone voices in the African Church. Maybe the reason there are fewer lukewarm Bishops in Africa is down to Catholics there being willing to walk for days to attend Mass.

    We have to be careful not to fall into the sin of detraction. At the same time, based on Amoris Laetitia and the Fiducia Whatsit blessings, it looks like we can expect more documents from the Vatican saying, in essence, "This is Church teaching, and this is how doctrinal development permits us to contradict the teaching in pastoral practice". Is it detraction to state the obvious? I don't know.

    I like Fr. Kirby. He manages to get the message across calmly and without being disrespectful.

     
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    There's always hope, Mario, but it looks like we have a way to go before we turn this corner. Cardinal Fernandez is to visit Germany. At least one of his fans believes that the purpose of the visit is to get them back in line. I think it more likely that he's going there to plead with the Germans to wait a while before they move on to "we won't call it marriage" ceremonies or installing deaconesses. Now that the door is wide open, I expect he'll tell them that the doctrine will be "developed" further by the next Pope provided the right person is elected. Didn't the Pope ask them previously to wait until the Church catches up with them, or words to that effect? If he can persuade them to hold off, he can be portrayed as having faced down the Germans and saved the Church from schism.

    As for the Cardinal, I think it's kind of voyeuristic for a priest to discuss the details of orgasms with parishioners. I hope, for everyone's sake, that he knows that's not appropriate behaviour for a priest. Pope Francis actually appointed him head of a university in Buenos Aires.
     
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    From what Raymond Arroyo reports here, the Cardinal's work is worse than one can imagine. It's blasphemous; see 11:09. :cry::cry:


     
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    Basically, he is into Sex Majick, along the lines of Aleister Crowley.
     
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    What is happening now with the latest directive from the Vatican reminds me of when the Bishops in Canada said it was ok for women to use the contraceptive pill, in spite of Pope Paul VI issuing the Humanae Vitae condemning artificial contraception.

    I knew loads of young practising Catholic women who used the pill and because of the Canadian Bishops thought is was ok. These women would find a Priest who would absolve them in Confession, and let other women know which Priest to go to; because some Priests would not give absolution unless there was a sincere decision to stop taking the contraceptive pill.

    I appreciate on this latest Vatican directive it is far more serious because it is for all intents and purposes universal. But the test is for us all to choose to serve and obey God and His Laws and precepts; His 10 Commandments.

    Because I am a sinner and need the Mercy of God at my own judgement, I can't do anything but pray for the conversion of all who have fallen to the temptation that the sin which makes God the Father vomit could possibly be approved by the Church. IMHO blessing a couple (copulation) is tantamount to approving sin.
     
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    The above sentence says it all.
     
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    yes, good comparison.

    I feel we have reached a kind of tipping point. We now have 2 very Evil men inserted in the highest places of teaching and of governing the Church. It is extraordinary and very ghastly and hard to believe, but here we are. And now I sense/ i hope that much more information will start to come out of Argentina - and we will learn all there is to learn about these 2 evil characters.

    God help us, God save us ! Virgin Most Powerful ! Save us !
     
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    Gavin Ashenden is one of my favourite Youtube speakers. He was a chaplain to the late Queen before he converted to Catholicism and is now a staunch upholder of Catholic truth. He speaks gently, in the manner of Fr Goring, and always with a smile, which is why his gentle skewering of Fernandez is so telling.



    Lumena above mentions the connection to sex magick and the arcane. Gavin goes into this in some depth (the video is only 15 minutes). I hadn't seen this mentioned before, but it appears we have a dabbler in the occult, or someone even more proficient in Ratzinger's old job. It is jaw dropping.

    Anyone with an experience of prayer will know there is no connection between deep interior consolations and the human sexual response. None. Nada. If Fernandez had a spiritual director in the seminary, and surely he would have, how come this wasn't spotted? Whoever thought this man was a candidate for the holy priesthood?

    Gavin hints that there were 'too many moustaches' in the kissing book for his comfort. I haven't read it but I take it at his word. I thought the obscene quote from the 15th century Muslim was misogynistic and wonder why it was included in a book about mystical passion? Perhaps it shows that there's no such thing outside occult phenomena where the mystical and erotic merge.

    Something that disturbed me which I've not seen mentioned elsewhere is the reference to a young nun preserving her virginity. Fernandez seems very dismissive of this and puts it down to her culture and background. HEY???!!! Is this man even Christian? Can one really expect this stuff from the pen of a supposedly lifelong celibate?

    Enough! I am finding it an offence against chastity to quote 'that book' outright, and I wish some of the commentators wouldn't seem so gleeful in the way they do it. Perhaps they are in shock at the smut and filth that has emanated from his Eminence. Anthony Stine is very careful to give a subtle paraphrase, and the CNA have done similarly.

    For a palate cleanser I recommend this:
     
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    I think the Bernini statue of St Teresa receiving the transverberation has a lot to answer for. People who have no clue about the spiritual life wrongly assume she is experiencing sexual pleasure. The transverberation, a piercing of the heart, is said to be felt physically. So what we see on her face is a mixture of spiritual joy and pain. St Pio also received this.

    It's possible that as the artist Bernini himself was responsible for the mistaken interpretations. Who knows? I'm sorry this image is so large, I cut and pasted what seemed a much smaller image.


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    This is full of good analysis. I too like Gavin Ashenden
    He is all the things you say. Knowledgeabke and charitable..

    I particularly agree with your observation of a certain gleefulness in some commentators. Its very disturbing. To read this book is to put oneself in a serious occasion of sin. More than one priest has said this. So have lay commentators.
    We are being forced to confront the mystery of iniquity these days in increasingly horrifying revelations. God is showing us the battered spit upon scouraged body of His Bride. God have mercy on us all and on all poor sinners especially those who will die today.
    Terry Barber from Virgin Most Powerful radio said an interesting thing yesterday. He knew Malachi Martin in the 80's. Talked with him several times and wrote him off as too extreme. Too "out there". He said in yesterday's podcast. " I owe Malachi Martin a huge apology. He was prophetic. He was right about all of it. I just wasn't ready to hear it."
     

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