Cardinal Victor Fernandez

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  1. any name you wish

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    I reverse image searched the cover, and it is indeed Cupid and Psyche. "Le Ravissement de Psych" by William Bouguereau

    https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Ravissement_de_Psyché

    https://www.arthistoryproject.com/artists/william-adolphe-bouguereau/the-abduction-of-psyche/

    Edit to add - The title of the painting is structurally similar to Amoris Laetitia...i.e. the title of the painting in Latin could be something like "Mentis Laetitia" or "Animae Laetitia". With this in the context of the Cupid and Psyche narrative I wouldn't be surprised if this was the inspiration for Amoris Laetitia's title.
     
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    I strongly believe we are living in the time of repentance. God is giving everyone the opportunity to repent before it is too late. And our opportunity is running out of time. It will be up to the Cardinal to repent, not for us to demand that he do so. There is so much evil in the world, everywhere we look. But there is good. It pains me to see people being offered the opportunity to repent and not seeing it . . .
     
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    Stop making baseless assumptions.

    Lepanto did not “go to the lengths of searching out the book.”

    It was located by Argentinians, individuals within Bergoglio’s former diocese in Argentina, who wish to remain anonymous, and who sent to a number of Catholic journalists and media outlets worldwide. The request was made to simply release the translations and background at the same time globally today.

    Cardinal Tucho was placed in charge of the DDF (formerly the CDF, the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith, or Holy Office, Cardinal Ratzinger’s position under St. PJPII), the most important and powerful office of the Roman Catholic Church second only to the papacy.

    He was placed there by Bergoglio, even though he was investigated by the former CDF for heresy and Bergoglio was well aware of this book and his heresies.

    This is a total disgrace and demonic sacrilege against Christ and His Church.

    Yet you’re obsessing over the individuals who brought this to our attention instead.

    Why?!?

    Lepanto just happens to be the ministry named in this particular thread.

    It’s headed up by Michael Hichborn, a personal friend. I’d appreciate it if you would cease attacking him and unjustly ascribing motives to him.
     
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    Don't take a break from the forum. I'm glad to read your posts. What if we just ignored all the filth, my opinion is that that would be the equivalent of witnessing Jesus get crucified and not saying/doing anything about it.
     
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    Amen! That's my belief as well. We are all being sorely tested.
     
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    Every once in a while I return to the homily below, because it confronts my tendency toward smugness in regard to the state of my soul. Fear of the Lord is a gift of the Holy Spirit. Do I truly fear offending God out of love, or am I slack because I'll be going to Confession soon. It's like forgetting it's Friday when I'm about to bite into a ham sandwich. And then I think, "Well the sandwich is already made, I hate to see it go to waste; I'll go to confession tomorrow." Behold the sin of disobedience to Church law, and then committing a sin of presumption. So easy, so flippant!

    I must pursue humility by acknowledging my frailty, by keeping my eyes upon Jesus. What does 1Peter warn us in Chapter 4:18 If the righteous man is scarcely saved, where will the impious and sinner appear?”

    Sister Lucia of Fatima who witnessed souls falling into Hell stated: "Taking into account the present development of humanity, only a limited number of the human race will be saved."

    I must love God enough so as to desire never to displease Him!

    Matthew 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.”

     
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    Our peace was disturbed by the "document" during Christmas week, and now we begin the year with this terrible scandal. :cry: It just occurred to me when Brian mentioned in his post above that the book was located by Argentinians... the recent lighting strike blowing the halo and keys off of the statue in Argentina! :eek:
     
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    Brian, I don't know why you're being so touchy about this. I didn't deliberately make baseless assumptions. What I saw at the beginning of the thread was an announcement that Lepanto were about to make a revelation that would cause the Cardinal to resign, I know now, thanks to watching Fr. Murr's duscussion with Robert Moynihan, that it wss priests in Argemtina who found the book. Thanks, also to Fr. Murr, I'm beginning to understand that modernism could be the most serious problem with the book and the Cardinal's failure to warn people against reading it. As far as I can see thus far, the Cardinal hasn't apologised but has merely said he wouldn't write it now because people might misunderstand it. If Fr. Murr is correct, then this is a far more serious issue than some priest having written a book that he's ashamed of.

    I'm not obsessed with the people who made the revelations. I'm trying to weigh up the value of the revelation to the universal Church. You maybe know a whole lot more than I about the Cardinal's background and character, but I'm just trying to make sense of breaking news.
     
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    Maybe I'm a bit thick, but what I get from the sermon is that the wheat will grow with the chaff and we shouldn't be discouraged by that. Fr. Murr says that all these issues currently plaguing the Church will be answered. I hope they're answered soon because issues about sexual morality are not new and there's no reason for the Bishops to reinvent that wheel issuing documents trying to say the same thing in different ways.

    How can the Church attract new members if our leaders give the impression that they aren't really convinced that what we profess to believe is true and how we practice our faith can be subject to change with every change of Pope?
     
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  10. Lumena

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    Let him be anathema
     
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    Frankly, there are some people on here who are in LaLa Land, and do not get how sinister this man Tucho is.
     
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    Please, Brian K, you need to shut out the voices of those on here who would defend this devil incarnate. Talk about a desire to destroy ! Thats what he and Francis want, to DESTROY our Holy Mother the Church! And all of the courageous Bishops and Priests who refused to implement Tucho's detestable Blessings Document are being VINDICATED as we speak.
     
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    Please, you are absolutely on the money here, do not allow the pearl clutching defenders of this devil incarnate to upset you.
     
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    Our Lady requested the people in Medjugorje to gather on Apparition Hill with Maria on January 1st at 3pm for 3 hours of prayer. I watched from home and the rain lashed down for 3 hours on Apparition Hill until 5 minutes before Our Lady appeared to Maria. It also poured rain in Ireland for all of that time. It was an erie atmosphere. Our Lady prayed for everyone and gave us a comforting message that we would not regret this time spent in prayer, neither would our children or grandchildren. Our Lady was preparing us for all of this. We have a very hard year ahead, many scandals probably. We need to be strong in our faith and know we are not orphans. We need to be a light in the darkness for those poor souls who have strayed away and need to find their way home to the heart of Jesus. Pray
     
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  15. Lumena

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    - seems like a classic case of shooting the Messenger, doesnt it ?
     
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    I don't think it would really be possible to write anything at all at moment about what is going on in the Church without stirring pots. The Church is in a real ferment at the moment. Even if we were all saints (which of course we aren't) we would probably all be growling and hissing at each other at the minute from sharing views. It reminds of looking at an overturned ant heap, everybody running about in every what direction.:)

    It's just the way it is.

    As far Cardinal Fernandez himself is concerned, even if I were to take the most charitable view of his goings on as I could and to really , really take the most positive view of him I possibly could it all comes back to a matter of trust.

    People in positions of trust need not only to have been display integrity. People in the very highest positions of trust need not only to have but to display the very highest levels of integrity. I have to say Cardinal Fernandez having lost that trust (rightly or wrongly) needs to do the honorable thing and fall on his sword and if he does not have a sword handy to resign. In the old days people would have done this simply as a matter of course. Sadly like so many old world ideas of honour seems to be a thing of the past.

    I have to say too. Sauce for the goose , sauce for the gander. Bishop Strickland , Cardinal Burke and hundreds of others under this dictatorial, North Korean style regime were not so much asked to fall on their sword but had swords stuck right through them. So what's good for them is good for Fernandez.

    As to the Cardinal himself I am reminded of the words put on the lips of Julius Caesar regarding the conspirator Cassius:

    Caesar
    Let me have men about me that are fat,
    Sleek-headed men and such as sleep a-nights.
    Yond Cassius has a lean and hungry look,
    He thinks too much; such men are dangerous.

    Mark Antony
    Fear him not, Caesar, he's not dangerous,
    He is a noble Roman, and well given.

    Julius Caesar
    Would he were fatter! But I fear him not.
    Yet if my name were liable to fear,
    I do not know the man I should avoid
    So soon as that spare Cassius. He reads much,
    He is a great observer, and he looks
    Quite through the deeds of men. He loves no plays,
    As thou dost, Antony; he hears no music;
    Seldom he smiles, and smiles in such a sort
    As if he mock'd himself, and scorn'd his spirit
    That could be mov'd to smile at any thing.
    Such men as he be never at heart's ease
    Whiles they behold a greater than themselves,
    And therefore are they very dangerous.

    I rather tell thee what is to be fear'd
    Than what I fear; for always I am Caesar.

     
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    There is the strangest, strangest atmosphere in the air at the moment. A feeling of shadows, darkness, creeping evil everywhere. It is as though the Gates of Hell had crept suddenly open and dark figures lurk behind each black bush or tree. A grim waiting, a slothsome stillness.

    It reminds me of Doctor Faust waiting for the devil to reclaim his soul at midnight:

    “Hell hath no limits, nor is circumscribed
    In one self place, for where we are is hell,
    And where hell is must we ever be.”
    ― Christopher Marlowe, Dr. Faustus

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    Thank you. You are right. This could have been spoken here and now. A wonderful consoling reminder.
     
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    You're absolutely right about the issues of sexuality morality not being new in the Church. And you're also spot on about the "wheel inventing" Bishops. But it seems to me, and I am open to correction on this, that we are missing something, more like someone. We do not appear to have a St. Charles Borromeo, a St. Philip Neri, St. Peter Julian Aymard or a St. Catherine of Siena, St. Joan of Arc, etc, etc. to cry out about all the filth. We've lost a wonderful Pope who did his best to stem this putrid tide. Many, many individual souls have been affected by this, families have been destroyed. And we hear don't worry! All is well! We have protocols now!! And we're told to just move along, be joyful!! & oh, and by the way, there's a new "non blessing" blessing we've approved!!

    Well, I am sorry but my joy has now bottomed out. Does that mean I give up?? Certainly not! I'm staying on that threshing floor, and letting God do the sorting while I up my penance and reparations. The Immaculate Heart of Mary will triumph over this ~ So be not afraid, but sort out with the Lord what your own part is in going forward.
     
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