Cardinal Victor Fernandez

I didn't see that part, though what I did read was bad enough. I guess I'm naive, and that's fine. I don't want to hear anymore of this for a while. It's breaking my heart. It's too much.

 

I'm sorry too, if I discouraged you.. I'm trying so hard to give the benefit of the doubt, to not become jaded and miserable, to not condemn the person instead of the action... It's my own struggle too. I need to step away because when I begin losing my peace over these things I know that I'm not trusting God enough. And that will grow with more prayer and less talking.

 

Cardinal Fernandez attempts to explain himself in this interview:

https://cruxnow.com/vatican/2024/01...an-doctrinal-czar-surfaces-on-god-and-orgasms

Speaking to Crux, Fernández said “Mystical Passion” is a book he wrote while still young and is one “that I certainly would not write now.”

“Long after that book I wrote much more serious ones like, ‘The Healing Force of Mysticism,’ and ‘The Transforming Force of Mysticism,’” he said.

Fernández said he cancelled “Mystical Passion” not long after it was published, and “never allowed it to be reprinted.”

He said the book made sense at the time after having a conversation with young couples “who wanted to better understand the spiritual meaning of their relationships,” but that soon after it came out he feared the book “could be misinterpreted.”

“That’s why I don’t think it’s a good thing to spread it now. In fact, I have not authorized it and it is contrary to my will,” he said.

 

I haven't read any of the chapters. I couldn't face reading something so offensive. I see he says he wouldn't write it now. If he is truly repentant he should step down and retreat to prayer. The church needs leaders of integrity. I do believe it needed to be exposed. We need to know who is at the helm. I agree we need to pray more for our beloved church.

 

I am with you. Like others, I never went looking for this today, but there it is causing unimaginable grief for everyone; especially those who have suffered abuse. It seems at this point that would include all of us, be it spiritual, emotional, mental or physical. Lent is starting early this year; I for one will be offering my own suffering and doing what penance I am able in reparation for my own sins and for all those who have suffered any kind of abuse over these past few decades.......praying they find their way back to Christ, our High King.

To all those happily skipping along singing "let us build the city of God...." I pray Our Mother of Sorrows touches your hearts with a Holy Sorrow......as St. Peter says "Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins."

 

Interesting that you bring up St. Hildegard von Bingen. Here is her description of the Antichrist:

Description of the Antichrist in St. Hildegard von Bingen (1173 AD)

The Antichrist will indeed be infused by the devil when he opens his mouth to teach perversity, as described above. He will destroy all that God established with the ancient and the new law, and he will assert that sexual immorality and other like things are not sins at all. For he will claim that it is not a sin if flesh heats up flesh, just as it is not a sin if a person warms himself by the fire. He will also assert that all commandments concerning chastity were made in ignorance, for since one person may be hot but another cold, they ought to moderate one another with their heat and cold.

And again he will say to the faithful,

“Your law of sexual restraint was established contrary to the way of nature. Is a person not supposed to be hot, when his very breath is a fire that kindles his whole body? How could he keep his cool when it’s against his nature? Conversely, what reason could a person have to refuse to offer warmth to another’s flesh? For that man who you say is your master gave you a law that goes beyond measure when he bid you to live in such a way. But I say, embrace these two paths of hot and cold, and keep each other in your warm embrace! Consider that the man just mentioned gave you unjust commands, for despite his order that people not embrace one another with such warmth, they still maintained the nature of their flesh. So see here and do not be misled any longer by an unjust teaching, for with me you get to do whatever you want or not. Your master did not set before you correct propositions; he wanted you to be like a spirit that is unbound by the flesh and cannot physically do anything. But that’s not how naturally-born human flesh was created; rather its flooded and formed by fire, because if human children weren’t created in that way, they wouldn’t be capable of physical action. So know then what you really are! For your first teacher deceived you and didn’t help you in anything. But I inspire you really to learn about yourselves and to know what you are, for I created you, and I am completely in all things. In assigning all his works to another, meanwhile, that one spoke nothing on his own because he couldn’t do anything on his own. But I speak for myself, and I can do all things by myself.”

With these words and others like them, that wretched son of perdition will mislead people, teaching them to live according to the flesh’s fiery appetite and to achieve their flesh’s every want--despite the fact that both the old and the new law encourage humans to chastity in such a way that chastity does not surpass its proper measure.

The Fathers of the Church, Mediaeval Continuation, Volume 18. St. Hildegard Von Bingen, The Book of Divine Works. Pages 466-467, Part III, Vision 5, Chapter 30 (in part).
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Sounds similar to Fernandez, no? But I don't think Fernandez is the Antichrist. No, his boss, the one in white, is going to go farther than Fernandez would dare to go. Fernandez is just his mouthpiece.

 

Even after everything I've seen during Francis' sinister papacy and with regard to Tucho Fernandez in particular, I admit that I was quite shocked by this book after reading some parts of it. And I'm afraid that many people still don't realize the seriousness of the situation...

This book goes much, much further than an erotic book like his previous kissing manual. If this were a frivolous novel written in more explicit language, it wouldn't be as serious as this book seems to be.

A more in-depth textual and interpretative analysis is necessary, but this book follows a narrative style that combines elements of Christian Faith with sex and seems to be using expressions with double meaning in a kind of pornographic theology. This blasphemous and sacrilegious type of narrative has a truly satanic essence.

This type of blasphemous and sacrilegious narrative is a very serious offense to Our Lord. It is not just a sin, it is an aberrant sacrilege. And it doesn't seem to me that Cardinal Tucho Fernandez is strongly remorseful for his outrageous literary past against Our Lord. On the contrary, he is now trying to introduce obscenities and sacrileges into the Church and the lives of Christians, as if they were authentic teaching.

 

Heaven is weeping.

 

Perhaps unrelated or perhaps not. I was browsing MoG recently and came across a post on a thread from some years ago. I thought to myself, " that's a really immature response." I then looked at the author and realised it was myself!

 

There is no doubt and especially after Fiducia Supplicans, I would like to see Cardinal Fernandez resign. I shudder to think of him in the top position at the DDF.

I don't condone modern gender ideology in any way but I am reminded here of Jesus' reply to the question about the widow who was married to 7 brothers who died in a row. The question was, to which of them would she be married to in Heaven? Jesus informed them and us in Matthew 22:30 that, "At the ressurection they neither marry nor are given in marriage but are like the angels in heaven." "The risen body will be a new creation." (2 Cor 5:17)

This tells me that this talk about mystical passion is pure balony. Think also about the suffering's Sts. Jacinta and Francisco Marto endured to make reparation for sins of impurity.

Fr. Thaddeus Doyle today multiply criticised Cardinal Fernandez for FS (I won't delve into all those issues), including the fact that it was supposed to have regard to pastoral issues, but instead it diverted everyone away from where our hearts should have been over Christmas. So its release at that time was a sin against pastoral care itself. He held off speaking about FS until after the 7th January.

I recently became embroiled in debate about the legitimacy of Pope Francis' election. I can say that it took me away from adoring Our Lord and the baby Jesus and meditating on His Epiphany. So I am going to take a break from the Forum too. Hopefully, I can make a good Lent this year and devote myself more to prayer and Scripture. Keeping you all in my prayers.

 

I think there is no chance of this man being elected pope one day, especially with the explosion of this scandal less than a month after the publication of the Fiducia Supplicans document.

 

One of the fruits of Divine Will in my own life was of sensing the grieving of Jesus in me recounting an idiotic story to a friend of someone on YouTube who was totally unknown to either of us. Later in prayer and asking Jesus why he was grieving, he revealed he was saddened because he lives in the heart of the person we were laughing at.

 

I'm sorry, Padraig, if my post upset other members of the forum. I didn't intend to stir the pot. It's just the whole business of scouring for a copy of the book to take down a Cardinal of the Church leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

I don't think that Cardinal Fernandez is suitable for the post he holds but I don't believe that muck raking should be rewarded by success for the muck rakers. To my mind, that's just a few steps removed from blackmail. Cardinal Fernandez is already making it obvious to his brother Bishops that he wouldn't make a good pope. The CNA article said that he's a long time theological adviser to the Pope so much of the credit (blame) lies with him for Amoris Laetitia and the ridiculous non-sacramental sodomy blessings attempting to mollify heretics and apostates in the German episcopate. Surely his fellow Cardinals can see that no good fruits can come from such nonsense. Surely they must question how non-sacramental blessings can achieve what sacramental blessing have failed to achieve in Germany and in Fr. James Martin's circle. The Germans and Fr. Martin have been conferring sacramental blessings for years evidently with zero conversion from that lifestyle. The majority of Bishops can't be so blind that they cannot see that we are on a path to "we won't call it marriage" ceremonies as well as "we won't call them priestesses or deaconesses" clerical roles for women, They surely must see the harm that comes from pandering to apostates and heretics in their ranks The Cardinal electors must be aware that this papacy has fed the flames of division in the Church. They must see that, rather than bringing people into the faith, it is weakening the faithful and causing some to leave. If we can see the bad fruits, they must see them too. Muck raking is more likely to be counter productive. It could cause them to close ranks around Fernandez.

I haven't read any excerpts from the book and don't want to read it. It's enough for me to know that the Cardinal had enough shame to try to bury it. Now, thanks to the Lepanto Institute, more people will seek it out. If the book is harmful to souls, then more souls will now be exposed to that harm. The Cardinal's suitability for his position should be assessed on what he believes and what he teaches now, not on the sins or poor judgement of his youth. How long would the Church have survived if the apostles had squabbled over Peter having denied knowing Jesus or St. Thomas having doubted the Resurrection? Past sins should be left in the past. The book also should have been left in the past. Satan drags up our old, forgiven sins and tries to make us doubt absolution. I'm assuming the Cardinal has confessed and received absolution. That should be enough for us.

 

He hasn't really said that he sees any of it as a sin or even wrong, just that he wouldn't write it now and didn't want it distributed.

I would guess that's because he's matured (in a bad way) to the point where the level of honesty in it is something for which he feels shame (you're expecting his motivations and behavior to be more normal - they aren't). Meaning, his viewpoints are clearly unchanged, but he's learned that he can't be this explicit, so this, in a sense, lets the cat out of the bag (and he doesn't want that).

I thought he thought this way based on the later stuff he put out, but couldn't be sure. This removes all doubt in my mind, and, for that, I'm grateful.

This is all clearly about not just normalizing homosexuality, but equating it to something sacramental.

 

That quote occurred to me as well; it's definitely something I could hear being misconstrued to support this nonsense.

 

I've just read the Crux interview. Yuck! He could have given a better response than "I wouldn't write it now". That response is troubling and makes it sound like a politician's "Never complain, never explain" attitude. I think it's weird that a priest in his late 30's would be so preoccupied with that stuff and having such conversations with couples. For his sake, I hope that preoccupation behind him.

If Lepanto felt obliged for the good of the Church to go to the lengths of searching out the book, wouldn't it have been more prudent for thrm to have communicated their concerns to members of the hierarchy? Then again, maybe they did contact Bishops and were rebuffed. I still don't believe it was right to take it to the internet.

I'm sick of this obsession with homosexuality among our clergy. I wish they'd all grow up.

 

This revelation certainly is a two-edged sword: (1) a confirmation of this cardinal's unworthiness and unsuitability for his office, but another "weapon" to be used by enemies of the Catholic Faith to attack our holy religion. So sad!

Lord have Mercy!

 

This is what's been said for years and years....ignoring things is no longer an option, imho. There's a good sermon from St. Augustine that may be of interest......

ST. AUGUSTINE ON MAINTAINING THE UNITY OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH EVEN AMIDST SCANDALS

Scandal is always hard. But it is also not new. From Judas’s betrayal, to Peter’s denial, to Corinthians acting worse than pagans, it’s been with us since the earliest days of the Church.

Christ warned us: “But I have said these things to you, that when their hour comes you may remember that I told you of them” (John 16:4).

Many Church Fathers addressed this topic.

St. Augustine addressed the necessity of maintaining Catholic unity in spite of scandal constantly, and with great theological insight. Maintaining this unity, itself, is part of our taking up the cross.

That you can read one of his 1,600 year old sermons to new converts as if it was delivered yesterday is, itself, profound—a cause for rejoicing as a Catholic.

The Church—the threshing floor—remains.

“There are those who, though called believers, are not so. There are believers in whom the sacraments of Christ are subjected to abuse; persons who live in such a way that they themselves perish, and they ruin others. They themselves perish by evil living; they destroy others, however, by giving the example of evil living. Do not wish, my dearly beloved, to be associated with such as these. Seek the good; cleave to the good; be good.

Do not be surprised at the large number of bad Christians who fill the church, who communicate at the altar…They can exist along with us in the Church of this time, but they will not be able to remain in that assembly of saints which will be after the resurrection. For the Church of this time, since it has good mixed with bad, is compared to a threshing floor where grain is mixed with chaff; but, after the judgment, it will have all good members without the evil. This threshing floor contains the harvest sown by the Apostles, watered by subsequent good teachers down to the present times, somewhat bruised by the persecution of enemies, but with the remnant not yet purged by the final sifting. Nevertheless, He will come concerning whom you recited in the Creed: ‘Then He will come to judge the living and the dead,’ and, as the Gosel says: ‘His winnowing fan is in his hand, and he will thoroughly clean out his threshing floor, and will gather his wheat into the barn; but the chaff he will burn up with unquenchable fire.’

Let the old faithful members hear what I say; let him who is the grain rejoice in the tossing; let him remain; let him not depart from the threshing floor. Let him not, following his own judgment, try to free himself from the chaff, since he will not be able to remain on the threshing floor if he wishes to separate himself now from the chaff. Furthermore, when He comes who distinguishes without error, He will not raise to the granary what He has not found on the threshing floor. Whatever grains have now withdrawn from the threshing floor will then boast in vain about their stock. The barn will be filled and closed. Fire will consume whatever has remained outside. Therefore, my dear brethren, let him who is good put up with the evil; let him who is bad imitate the good. On this threshing floor, in truth, grain can degenerate into chaff; and, on the other hand, grain can be restored from chaff. These changes take place daily, my brethren. This life is full of punishments and consolations. Daily those who seemed good do wrong and perish; and again, those who seemed evil are converted and live. For, ‘God does not will the death of the sinner, but only that he be converted from his ways and live.’

Hear me, O grains of wheat; hear me, you who conform to my desires; hear me, O grain. Do not be saddened by the intermixture of chaff; the evil will not be with you forever. To how great an extent does the chaff press upon you? Thank God that it is not heavy. Only let us remain the wheat; then, how abundant soever the chaff may be, it will not oppress us.”


St. Augustine, “Sermon 223: On the Vigil of Easter”