Pope tells gay man: 'God made you like this'

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  1. SgCatholic

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    Just to clarify - the correspondence happened in 1983 or 1984; but was revealed to the public in 2008.

    https://aleteia.org/2017/05/19/excl...r-lucia-wrote-to-me-is-being-fulfilled-today/
     
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    How insightful. It is like listening to Pope St John Paul himself.
     
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    The battle against the family reminds me of someone looking up at the sky in all its majesty and beauty and proudly proclaiming it to be green. It is ludicrous the levels of self delusion man will stoop to that deny the self evidence of Truth for the want of our own desires. Because no matter how many extreme examples are given of abusive and horrendous behaviors on the part of spouses as a justification for divorce the overwhelming majority of marriages end not because of these things but because of one persons desire to do what they want at the expense of all others. Truly, living by the law of one as Mr Allister Crowly so often advised. In the past extreme forms of legalism were used to prove the justification valid but these are no longer even needed in our age of secular no contest divorce. Even the threat to our own children's welfare and futures is shrugged away with barely a glancing thought. Kids are resilient we tell ourselves, they will come out of it just fine. With societies willing acceptance of the opinion on the evolution of man and our esteemed placement next to the beasts of the earth our children are now no more than simply another animal. Like a bear cub, who needs a Father around anyway?

    Except we are teaching our kids by our own actions that everyone else, even our own children come a distant second to old numero uno. Is it any wonder we have the problems we see today when we no longer teach our children by our own living example the virtues of self sacrifice and perseverance in the face of the tests which come with a lifetime of commitment let alone all the tests which life simply brings us? The many blessings which are given in a marriage which both spouses love and support one another come what may are simply discarded.

    I was thinking about the examples that Pope Francis gave back when AL was under so much fire from those of us who value tradition. I know someone who fits one of these examples perfectly. The thing which comes to mind regarding this situation and one which Pope Francis has also reminded us of in his comments regarding so many Faithful not being validly married or even understanding the Sacrament of marriage (which my experience has led me to believe is true) is that even if this person were to receive the Sacrament of the Eucharist as any other Catholic in good standing they simply would not understand the significance of this act both physically and spiritually. I don't think we can change this because it is not merely an act of understanding. It is more than that. We need to see with eyes that God has given us and no longer with the eyes of man. It is only God who can affect such a dramatic change in us.

    May God have Mercy on us all.
     
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    Padraig, from the article you attached:

    This is the battle of all battles in our midst — marriage and family. Sister Lucia dos Santos of Fatima articulated her prophetic utterance on what we would see for these times and she was correct.

    One of my instructors in the Deacon formation is a brilliant Canon Lawyer, Corbishop Faris, a Maronite priest. He went over with us the issue of marriage with a fine-toothed comb. He said the number of couples now seeking to be married in the Church who do not understand the permanence of marriage is apalling. When he sees them awash with infatuation and claiming how much they love one another, and that they'll be faithful unto death, he takes each of them aside and asks a question. If you come home a year after your marriage and find your spouse in bed with someone else, what will you do? Corbishop says virtually all when confronted by such a sobering question, answer, "It would be all over!" When he counters with, "What about that part of your vows which says, 'until death do us part?'" Each of them usually say that such a betrayal would be too much! They would divorce.

    The good priest then told us that such an attitude carried from the time of the engagement (which in essence rejects a difficult mercy or the need to work things out because of one's vow to faithfulness) is grounds for annulment in a future breakup because they have embraced the society's definition of a marital relationship, not God's nor that of the Church. If they are dead set on such an opinion, he will refuse to marry them. Corbishop says he's pretty sure they'll go find a priest who will not ask such probing questions.:(

    Safe Under Mary's Mantle!
     
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    You are blessed to be with such a wise and holy priest.
    In a human sense the hard sayings of Jesus really do same crazy as Christ Himself acknowledged, 'For nan it is impossible but with God all things are possible'.

    I think one thing helps is that life is very very very passing.
     
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    Perhaps the greatest mistake of modern man is to believe he can create heaven on Earth.
     
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    When I was young you could have gone to twenty different priests anywhere 8n the world and got the exact same sound teaching. Now you would maybe get twenty different answers.

    This would be considered creative confusion. But people entering marriage need really solid ground to stand on.
     
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    And sadly today, with the exception of Pope Francis, you could have received the same answer from all the past popes to Peter on faith and moral teaching.
     
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    Creation and confusion are two words that just don't belong together. In the Beginning was The Word, and the Word was so certain and so absolute. There is no confusion in God's Creation. Look at all the absolutes and constants that are built into it. Look at the blue print of life that is contained in the quaternary alphabet that is the genetic code, inbuilt into DNA, and only imperfected by the mutational consequences of Original Sin. Confusion creates nothing, but represents only the diabolical chaos of Hell.
     
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    Padraig, you have wisely encapsulated the human condition of modern man. APPLAUSE!
     
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    This wish to create Utopia on Earth is the Luciferian dream of the Masons and their sidekicks the Marxists. It was the same false dream that made the ancients try to create the Tower of Babel.
     
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    My brother had a row with my cousins wife about abortion, she was all for it and it became very heated. My cousin then told my brother that both his parents supported abortion , and my aunt was a daily mass goer.

    Another cousins wife offered me a lift home from mass. the other week. She is a Social Worker and a Daily Mass goes and community worker. She too told me she supports abortion because she had, 'Seem too much'.

    I would not get into an argument with people over this because....well to me it like arguing with someone over say the mass murder of Jews or paedophilia was a good idea. Abortion seems to me so despicable thing I would not even argue over it. But I do find it jaw dropping that otherwise apparently 'good' , mass going Catholics should think such a thing was right.

    We have such very,very,very poor Church leadership.

    We live in such difficult times. But I would have very,very, very serious concerns about the eventual salvation of anyone whatsoever who supports abortion. In other words I would expect them to end up in hell as a matter of course.

    What a pity the Church could not tell people this clearly and simply. If you 're into this vile stuff you're in grave danger of hell.

     
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    That is the fundamental error that blossomed in all its vain glory during the Enlightenment. Medieval man and the early Christians understood very well that this world is a proving ground and a dangerous combat zone. The pagans wanted their earthly goods—seize the day—but always understanding that there was a reckoning to come. (Tantalus and Sisyphus as case in point). New pagans want la dolce vita without any threat of a possible reckoning. They have self hypnotized into believing that there is no “after” but if there is then it is heaven for everyone y’all. Family and friends operate with this delusion. It is a continuous heartbreak for those who know the truth and long for salvation for themselves and all others. What makes this time SO horrible is the fall/compromise/takeover of the one true Church. No lighthouse beaming through the storm. No rock of peter. Just raw faith. Raw allegiance to the true Church however obscured. When I was 10 years old I had a vivid and terrifying dream which I never forgot and have pondered often In The ensuing years. I was crossing a tightrope over a chasm—but as is the case of dream logic it was strung across the gym of my parochial school. Under me we’re writhing hideous creatures. I had to go forward but I didn’t see How I could make it. The Blessed Mother was on the other side reaching out her hand to me. But she didn’t come out to get me. Just encouraged me. I woke up. To my mind that dream perfectly describes our situation. We have a tightrope to cross. To fall from it is certain destruction. Our help is Mary but we must still go one step At a time. Just my 2 cents worth.
     
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    I notice in reading the lives of the Saints and Mystics that they very often have a central dream that reveals the direction, the central vocation of their lives. St John Bosco and Padre Pio were two good examples of this.

    I heard a priest at Corpus Christi on Sunday say that when we are talking we are only repeating knowledge of what we already know. But it is when listening we are learning something knew. So it is with dreams; but, sadly people are not quiet enough to listen to them. I love dreams. Its true some of them appear meaningless like watching spinning washing in a machine but many of them are sent from heaven.
     
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    How can the unrepented approval of the killing of a completely innocent unborn baby, no matter how much inconvenience and hardship is avoided by its elimination, not but render utterly hollow any amount of other meritorious acts by the individual asserting this approval? It is the diametrical negation of the Golden Rule as taught by Jesus Christ. It is the ultimate espousal of the end justifying the means. It is the epitome of Dostoevsky's 'all is permitted'.

    The sheep are being clearly separated from the goats. I can understand that some who voted to repeal the 8th were simply useful idiots frightened into doing so by lies about mothers' lives being in jeopardy and lies about pregnant women being denied cancer treatment, but those who delude themselves that abortion can be justified, well...
     
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    Interesting that your parochial school was the chasm
    Catholic school........anything “Catholic”
     
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    Abortion is utterly despicable and supporting it just as bad. I am baffled how ordinary Catholics can go down this route. I think indeed it must be a testing:

    "So that the hidden thoughts of many may be led bare'

    Luke 2:35

    The Prophecy of Simeon
    …34Then Simeon blessed them and said to His mother Mary: “Behold, this Child is appointed to cause the rise and fall of many in Israel, and to be a sign that will be spoken against, 35so that the thoughts of many hearts will be revealed —” and a sword will pierce your soul as well. 36There was also a prophetess named Anna, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Asher, who was well along in years. She had been married for seven years,…


    On the subject of being utterly despicable have a look at this:

    https://gloria.tv/article/Csq8YBHrvAPD3YSH9yqR8RF7f


    Pro-Abortion Mantra: Archbishop Martin Calls For "Safe, Rare and Legal" Abortion
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    The abortion law in Ireland should allow abortion “which is rare, which is safe, and which is legal”, said Archbishop Eamon Martin of Armagh, the Primate of Ireland, talking to the Irish RTE News (May 27).

    OnePeterFive.com (May 30) confronted Martin's press office with this unfortunate quotation. Press speaker Martin Long replied that the words “were taken out of the context”.

    But OnePeterFive.com asked back in what context the “safe, legal, and rare” mantra could make sense.

    Only then, the press speaker admitted that Martin “should not have used the quotation” which originally was uttered by the [abominable] Irish Prime Minister Leo Varadkar.

    Picture: Eamon Martin, RTE News, #newsUaeybvcdik



     
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    At the time it was a typical lovely Catholic school run by the Dominicans. I’ve pondered the images in that dream. Who remembers a dream they had when that young but it has never left me.
     

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