Amazon Synod Working Document Released Today, and It Confirms There’s Trouble on the Horizon

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  1. Carol55

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    I'm not sure that I understand exactly what they voted for in regard to Female Diconate, just passing information to the study commission?
    Bishop Kräutler appears to think that it's a done deal and the LifeSiteNews article above states that they voted for a new position for women.:unsure: Could be that Kräutler sees this new position as one that will be very flexible almost like a female diconates in some places?
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    Oct. 26, 2019
    Three Key Paragraphs of Amazon Synod’s Final Document
    Full texts of the propositions relating to the ordination of married men, a female diaconate and an Amazonian rite, their voting numbers, plus some brief observations.
    Edward Pentin | http://www.ncregister.com/blog/edward-pentin/three-key-paragraphs-of-amazon-synods-final-document

    Here below are the texts of the three most controversial and discussed matters of the synod which wraps up on Sunday (Vatican working translation).

    Female Diaconate

    103. In the many consultations carried out in the Amazon, the fundamental role of religious and lay women in the Church of the Amazon and its communities was recognized and emphasized, given the multiple services they provide. In a large number of these consultations, the permanent diaconate for women was requested. For this reason the theme was important during the Synod. Already in 2016, Pope Francis had created a “Study Commission on the Diaconate of Women” which, as a Commission, arrived at a partial result based on what the reality of the diaconate of women was like in the early centuries of the Church and its implications for today. We would therefore like to share our experiences and reflections with the Commission and await its results.

    Passed by 137 (non placet: 30)

    Ordination of Married Men in the Amazon

    111. Many of the ecclesial communities of the Amazonian territory have enormous difficulties in accessing the Eucharist. Sometimes it takes not just months but even several years before a priest can return to a community to celebrate the Eucharist, offer the sacrament of reconciliation or anoint the sick in the community. We appreciate celibacy as a gift of God (Sacerdotalis Caelibatus, 1), to the extent that this gift enables the missionary disciple, ordained to the priesthood, to dedicate himself fully to the service of the Holy People of God. It stimulates pastoral charity and we pray that there will be many vocations living the celibate priesthood. We know that this discipline “is not required by the very nature of the priesthood… although it has many reasons of convenience with it” (PO 16). In his encyclical on priestly celibacy, St. Paul VI maintained this law and set out theological, spiritual, and pastoral motivations that sustain it. In 1992, the post-synodal exhortation of John Paul II on priestly formation confirmed this tradition in the Latin Church (PDV 29). Considering that legitimate diversity does not harm the communion and unity of the Church, but expresses and serves it (LG 13; SO 6) which testifies to the plurality of existing rites and disciplines, we proposed to establish criteria and dispositions on the part of the competent authority, within the framework of Lumen Gentium 26, to ordain priests suitable and esteemed men of the community, who have had a fruitful permanent diaconate and receive and adequate formation for the priesthood, having a legitimately constituted and stable family to sustain the life of the Christian community through the preaching of the Word and the celebration of the Sacraments in the most remote areas of the Amazon region. In this regard, some were in favor of a more universal approach to the subject.

    Passed by 128 (non placet: 41)

    Amazonian Rite

    119. The new organism of the Church in the Amazon must constitute a competent commission to study and dialogue, according to the customs and customs of the ancestral peoples, the elaboration of an Amazonian rite that expresses the liturgical, theological, disciplinary and spiritual patrimony of the Amazon, with special reference to what Lumen Gentium affirms for the Oriental Churches (cf. LG 23). This would add to the rites already present in the Church, enriching the work of evangelization, the capacity to express the faith in a proper culture, and the sense of decentralization and collegiality that the catholicity of the Church can express. It could also study and propose how to enrich ecclesial rites with the way in which these peoples care for their territory and relate to its waters.

    Passed by 140 (non placet: 19)

    Answering reporters’ questions this evening, Cardinal Michael Czerny S.J., one of the synod’s special secretaries, was asked what “more universal approach” means in proposition 111, relating to viri probati (the ordination of married men in the region).

    Cardinal Czerny replied: “What some people felt was that consulting about this in the Amazon context was not sufficient and they wanted it consulted in a broader context, whereas others felt that the existing norms of canon law of Church, practice and experience allow us to consider this within the context of a specific region, so that was what I’d say was a difference of opinion.”

    This indicates that some in the synod were pushing for a more universal acceptance of the ordination of married men, and this is why, according to sources, a push by other synod fathers for an Amazonian rite was intended to curtail that — to not let it be accepted universally, and to contain it within the Amazonian region.

    Asked by the Register for his opinion on theologians who say that a female diaconate is a dogmatic breach of Church teaching, Cardinal Czerny said that is a concern to be “shared” with the study commission that Francis set up in 2016 and that is mentioned in synod proposition 103.

    Another point of interest is the post-synodal apostolic exhortation. In his closing words of the synod, Pope Francis noted he was not obliged to write one, but said he would nevertheless “like to do it before the end of the year, in such a way that not much time passes. Everything depends on time and I have to think.”

    Cardinal Czerny had said several weeks ago that he expected the papal document on the synod not to be published until next spring. Usually such documents take a six months or so. So why could it occur so soon?

    The answer could be that it is largely already written, which many commentators have suspected (they believe the synod fathers invited, especially the ones chosen directly by the Pope, were known to be sympathetic to the propositions discussed, making the process of writing the concluding documents easier). Or it could be that Francis sees the dangers of such controversial issues left hanging without a definitive papal text. Either way, we’re likely to know what conclusions the Pope draws from this meeting in a relatively short time.

    Meanwhile the so-called mastermind of the synod, Bishop Erwin Kräutler, prelate emeritus of Xingu, Brazil, told the Register he was “happy” with the final document. “It’s what we expected, of course,” he added. Bishop Kräutler has long supported the ordination of married men, and sees a female diaconate as a welcome and possible step to ordaining women as priests, despite the possibility being ruled out by Pope St. John Paul II, and Pope Francis a few years ago.

    Here below is a video of brief comments Bishop Kräutler made to the Register this evening as he exited the synod hall:

     
  2. Glenn

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    Hmmm, " Fr. Glenn" ( Did you hear God just laugh ) :)
     
  3. Report: Pope Entrusts Study Of Amazon Rite To Arch-Conservative

    From Observatório Católico [roughly translation]:



    For those who feared that the Church might approve of an abused indigenous rite, there could be no better answer than this! Who will study and give an opinion on the Amazonian rite is Cardinal Robert Sarah Prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship.

    Born in the Republic of Guinea (Africa), Sarah is well known for his great zeal for the Church’s doctrinal and liturgical tradition. So… calm your little heart!

    Full Story here:

    https://ocnoticias.com.br/rito-amaz...-cardeal-sarah/amp/?__twitter_impression=true


    https://spiritdailyblog.com/news/report-pope-entrusts-study-of-amazon-rite-to-arch-conservative
     
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  4. Pope Appeared To Tear Upon Return Of Marian Statue To Argentina

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    Pope Francis appeared to tear up Tuesday during a ceremony celebrating the return of a statue of the Virgin Mary to his native Argentina.

    The statue had been kept in a British military cathedral following the 1982 Falklands War, in which Britain defeated Argentina. The Our Lady of Lujan statue will go back to Argentina and replicas will be sent to Britain. Following his public appearance, Francis kissed a stone plaque that honors Argentina’s war dead and wiped his eyes.

    The Our Lady of Lujan stature will go back to Argentina and replicas will be sent to Britain. Following his public appearance, Francis kissed a stone plaque that honors Argentina's war dead and wiped his eyes.

    Argentine troops brought the stature to the Falklands when it invaded the British territory in 1982. Argentina maintains the land was taken illegally in 1833.

    Following the two-month war, the statue was placed in the cathedral where it served as a focus of prayer for the dead on both sides.

    https://www.foxnews.com/world/pope-francis-virgin-mary-statue


     
  5. Dolours

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    Based on what is quoted in your post, the article suggests that Cardinal Sarah alone will study and give an opinion on the Amazonian rite. People's fears would be unfounded if that were the case. If, however, the prospect of an Amazonian rite is to be studied by the members of the Congregation for Divine Worship with Cardinal Sarah merely being one of the people involved in the study and giving an opinion, the article is misleading. I vaguely recall reading that Pope Francis has stacked the Congregation with modernists, reducing Cardinal Sarah's role to nothing more than a figurehead. What's more likely to happen is the same old, same old practice of the stacked committee issuing a report with a majority of modernists' opinions and a minority of opinions from orthodox members of the Congregation - one of which will be Cardinal Sarah's. As with just about everything else we have endured under this papacy, Pope Francis will authorise what he wanted from the outset, discarding almost all of the orthodox opinions and one or two of the most outrageous modernist opinions.
     
  6. Need someone to translate the original article. I only posted what was on Spirit Daily's portion that was translated. What should follow, by any good journalist, would be an interview with the good Cardinal to see just how much influence he was assigned, if any. Other than that one could also assume that Sarah might be playing the same role as Mueller did on the Russia hoax investigation of Trump......a so called "republican" face that eventually came to be seen as a rather doddering puppet used by the team of Trump haters who demonstrated, in the end, that he was unaware of even the phony basis used for the whole thing.
     
  7. Dolours

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    The article was posted on a vlog run by lay Catholics in Brazil, so it's not the work of a professional journalist. Maybe there's some wishful thinking by the author that Cardinal Sarah is a one-man Congregation for Divine Worship.

    Here's a Google translation:

    "Amazon Rite: Pope entrusts Cardinal Sarah with study

    A few days ago the Amazon Synod in Rome ended. For those who are floating more than bloated pufferfish, check out our video analysis on the Synod Final Report.

    Among the Synod's proposals that are causing more doubt and concern among conservative Catholics is the so-called " Amazonian rite ."

    In the final report of the Synod, the Synod Bishops ask the Pope to elaborate an inculturated rite that expresses the worldview and ancestral customs of the Amazonian peoples.

    This request is based on the right concept of inculturation , whereby the Catholic Church, since its inception, has selected positive aspects of pagan culture, purified them and integrated them into Christianity.

    In response to the call for the creation of the Amazonian rite, Pope Francis said:

    “There has been talk of ritual reform, openness to rites, that is within the competence of the Congregation for Divine Worship, and you can do it according to the criteria and I know you can do it very well, and make the necessary proposals. that inculturation requires. But one must look straight ahead, always beyond. Not just ritual organization, but also organizations of other kinds that the Lord inspires. Of the 23 churches with their rite that were mentioned in the document, or at least in the pre-document, I believe that at least 18, perhaps 19, are sui iuris churches and started from scratch, creating traditions as far as the Lord leads us, not to be afraid of organizations that preserve a special life. Always with the help of the Holy Mother Church, Mother of all, who guides us on this path so as not to be separated. Do not be afraid of them.

    For those who feared that the church might approve of an abused indigenous rite, there could be no better answer than this! Who will study and give an opinion on the Amazonian rite is Cardinal Robert Sarah , Prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship.

    Born in the Republic of Guinea (Africa), Sarah is well known for her great zeal for the church's doctrinal and liturgical tradition. So… calm your little heart!

    If an Amazonian rite is actually approved, believe it: it will be good for the Church, and in accordance with the dignity that the royalty of Our Lord Jesus Christ deserves. The Church will not accept the insertion of aesthetic and folkloric elements that do not communicate sacredness and transcendence .

    Catholics who have a love for the sacredness of the mass have a backlash about these things, because there are people who commit certain liturgical abuses and say that they are inculturating. Like… Fathers entering Mass over ox cart, priest playing loudly at Mass, priest consecrating the Holy Host beside a barbecue skewer, altar adorned as if it were a marble table, faithful dancing and spinning as if they were in a church yard. candomblé…

    But “Do not be afraid of them”: we should not be afraid of certain changes . It is worth remembering that the first church council (St. Paul's meeting with the elders in Jerusalem) gave victory to the "progressive" proposals, not to "conservatism." And that was good!

    Specifically regarding the diversity of liturgical traditions, it is interesting to know the history of the Syro-Malabar rite of the Church in India . In the seventeenth century, out of stupidity and utter disregard for local traditions, the missionaries sent by Rome wanted to ban the Syro-Malabar rite and impose the Roman rite.

    Result: The climate of tension culminated in a schism!

    This was in 1663. Only in 1930, almost three centuries later, part of the Syro-Malabar Church returned to full communion with Rome. And this inculturated rite was approved by the Pope as perfectly Catholic.

    As for the Amazon Synod… Is the suggestion of an Amazonian rite fair? We do not know. Amid so many problematic and unorthodox ideas in the final report, it is understood that conservatives distrust everything. But remember that the issue will be well judged and in great hands!

    The catechist."
     
  8. Raceli

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    The solution is simply to send more missionaries to the Amazon region, im sure the jesuits would love to oblige. Thats only a small portion of latin america, cant even compare it to what the early church had to go through. If pope francis falls for that ploy... then hes in on it. Its so obvious these german clergy or whoever authored the amazon synod are pushing some kind of agenda that is not catholic.

    I only pray that the pope remember the reason why he joined the jesuits in the first place, before he had his lung removed.
     
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