Why Don't the Priests Speak out?

Discussion in 'Church Critique' started by Dolours, Aug 1, 2018.

  1. Bella

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    Which, as you know, he didn't. Calumny and Detraction. The rest of your comment is straw man. We know the teachings on hell. I don't need to answer your questions. I submit fully to the teachings of The Church.
     
  2. Dolours

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    It's neither calumny nor detraction. If you could answer my questions you would have answered them. I'm sure I'm not the first person to have asked them. Has Bishop Barron answered them?

    The Superior General of the Jesuits also declared that he submits fully to the teachings of the Church after stating publicly that Satan is not a real being but "an early Christian construct". He didn't withdraw his statement about Satan. At a time when the Faith is on life support in what once was the Christian West, the last thing we need are prominent prelates casting doubt on settled Church teaching which is that Hell exists, it's a real place, and people go there.
     
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  4. Dolours

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    He doesn't mention the homosexual culture in seminaries. I'm particularly interested in that because witnessing the carry-on of seminarians here led to someone close to me losing his faith. He wasn't a clerical student but the seminary here is part of a large university campus and when he was a student there the scandalous behaviour of the seminarians was a standing joke. I know that he wasn't the only student there who lost all respect for the Church thanks to what he witnessed. That was decades ago and we have since been assured that the seminary was cleaned up. While I don't know anyone on that campus now, there have been enough rumours down through the years to suggest that problems are ongoing.

    Now, with the stories coming out of other countries, I'm getting the impression there might well have been a co-ordinated effort to infect our seminaries and, consequently, the priesthood. While I don't know anything about Los Angeles, California does have something of a reputation for its homosexual culture. The McCarrick scandal was primarily about homosexual abuse of seminarians who are not children. I'm surprised the Bishop didn't mention anything about conducting an investigation into all seminaries.
     
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  5. AED

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    I agree Dolours. The homosexual problem is the elephant in the living room but so politically protected that only the very brave take it on like Fr Pakula and Fr Z.
     
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  6. Dolours

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    It's a huge elephant that the Pennsylvania report is being used to overshadow. The lavender brigade are also out in force rubbishing priests like Fr. Z who dare call it for what it is. Not even EWTN escapes their wrath and ridicule these days.

    There's an exchange of comments on Fr. Palka's blog between Fr. Palka and someone named Michael. It's heartbreaking. Read this and tell me that Satan hasn't been working overtime attacking the Church - with very little opposition:

    Michaellink8/5/2018 11:25:44 pm
    Dear Father Palka,
    You hit the nail on the head! In 2010 I was accepted into a religious order and began my Pre-The at St. Charles Borromeo Seminary in Philly.
    When I first visited the order, my 'Gaydar' was on high alert, a few of the Priests and brothers sent my alarm bells off. However, the Postulant master was a young good Priest and I truly felt that I was called to that community.
    I entered on August 15th 2010 and I went through unspeakable harassment. One of the brothers (who professed final vows 2 yrs ago), took a particular interest in me and my entire novitiate was a fight to keep him at bay. I spoke to my Postulant master many times on the harassment this guy was giving me, he was overtly gay and kept trying to make moves on me. My postulant master took me out on a walk one day and told me "My Hands are Tied Michael, Br. X is protected by those above me, there is nothing that I can do.. keep your head down and just ignore it". Word got back to the brother and he doubled his attacks on me.
    When I returned home in the summer of 2011 I was broken .. and yet I still wanted to persevere, I had applied to and had been accepted to the Novitiate which was in another house. While home I met with my spiritual director who was an Opus Dei Priest, he told me not to go back unless the order guaranteed me that the brother would not be allowed to make his temporary vows again and they'd kick him out.
    I told my postulant master this by phone and after a few calls he told me that yes the order was getting rid of the brother and that I could come in.
    I entered in July 2011 and after receiving my habit.. I heard the announcement that the brother had just remade his temporary vows and I realized that I had been lied to.
    I left Novitiate in Sept. 2011. I almost lost my faith when I left. Seeing first hand the Lavender Mafia, the many gay brothers and Priest hiding out in the monastery and their damage to myself and the Church as a whole was almost to much to bear.
    It was only because of 2 very holy diocesan Priests from my local Church that helped me get through the difficulties and aftermath.
    Thank you for speaking the Truth Father! I will pray for you!

    Michaellink8/6/2018 07:59:05 am
    Hey Father Palka,
    I wanted to add something to my post from last night on my time in the monastery in Philly. You mentioned blackmail and why men are silent, I experienced this first hand myself. After I left in 2011, I was very angry about what I went through, I had a blog and I wrote 2 blogs that didn't name any names or the monastic community, but anyone that knew me would know whom I was talking about.
    The order got wind of my posts and they formed a council against me, I didn't know about this until a year later when one of the brothers that I stayed friends with told me.
    I was systematically cut off from everyone in the community, everyone that I had been friends with were told not to contact me or reply to any of my emails. I was banished from any connections to the community. But something more serious happened, in 2014 I felt called back to the Priesthood. I met with several Priests who recommended that I meet with my Diocesan Vocation Director. I indeed set up a meeting and it went ok, the Vocation Director asked that I reach out to my community and ask them to send over my file to the Diocese.
    I was really hesitant because I knew how awful these guys were. I called up the chancery and asked to speak with the Vicar Provincial. The first time I called they hung up on me, the second time they finally got the Provincial on the phone. This was a guy that was a Priest at the time in another country, he had never met me. He got on the phone and listened as I asked for them to send over my file and paperwork to the Diocese.
    Then he spoke and he told me that I had brought great harm to the order and that I had a simple choice, right then.. right there. He told me that if I apologized to him and begged his forgiveness on the phone, that he'd send over a good recommendation, however if I didn't, the paper work they were going to send would be so atrocious, no one would ever accept me to religious life or the Seminary again.
    I was flabbergasted.. I was being blackmailed. I paused and I could hear his deep breathing on the phone. And then I apologized. He told me that it was good that I did that and he's forward my apology to the members of the order and the other houses in the US and to the Motherhouse in Rome.
    I felt relieved and yet at the same time I didn't trust him and I was soon to find out.. for good reason.
    Two months later I again met with the Vocation Director and he absolutely ripped me a new one, it was like I was meeting with someone else. The Priest told me that it was the worst report he had ever seen from a religious community, that they said that I should never ever be allowed into a religious house or Seminary again and all sorts of awful things.
    I was devastated. They won. I never should have apologized. It was all a ruse.
    At the end of that meeting with the vocation director, I asked him if he felt that I had a vocation and he said yes, but not to his diocese.. to go somewhere else and he wished me good luck with the file that the community has one me.
    So when you tell people about the blackmail, it is absolutely correct, I have experienced this myself. If I had just kept silent in 2011, not written those blogs, I would very likely if it was indeed Gods will, I'd be in a Seminary right now (if I persevered and again on Gods will).
    The lavender mafia is real and they are very very powerful!

    Father Palka8/6/2018 11:02:14 am
    Michael,
    Nobody of Faith can help but hurt deeply when hearing of stories such as this. I am truly sorry you had to experience such evil. I have been receiving many calls and messages from others with similar stories. Nobody in the past knew who to approach to get any action. Today that is still the case except that everyone can go public with it. Your blogs from years past would have been much easier to avoid then than now. I have hope that steam is picking up as one after another seminarian,priest and bishop, those active and those who were removed or left starts speaking up loudly and publicly. The [expletive] can pick us off one by one and people will believe their lies but when the overwhelming evidence that they have been doing this for years comes to light from so many multiple sources, the tide finally starts turning!
    Through the grace of God you didn't lose the Faith. Many were not able to hold on and their very salvation is at risk due to the demoniacs among the clergy. May God be merciful and may the Blessed Mother continue to pour upon her lost sons whatever graces they need for a complete return and healing.
    Don't keep your story just here in the comments of a small parish's web site. Tell it as publicly as you can as many places as you can and invite/encourage others to speak up, too. God be with you.
    Note that Fr. Palka is encouraging Michael to tell his story as publicly as he can in as many places as possible, so there's no reason for us to feel guilty for spreading the word. They need as much support as they can get because they are up against some very powerful forces.
     
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    Really intense evil
     
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    This is disturbing—beyond horrific. This must be—they must be—utterly eradicated.
     
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  9. Bella

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    It is actually both. Especially since you keep repeating it. But that is your choice.
    I'm not aware of having been asked any questions by you but feel free to ask and I'll do my best to answer. I have a bit of free time on my hands this week.
    I'm not sure. When did you ask him these "questions" ? why not take it up with his office. I'm sure they'll reply promptly.
    Oh. Very interesting. However I'm not entirely sure what that has to do with my point. It seems like another pointless rabbit-hole/straw man argument. I'm sure you aren't accusing me of being a Satanist, so I have no idea why you have made this illogical point.
    Indeed. No one is disputing that.
     
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    good questions.
    But of course nice people don't ask troublesome questions.

    Jesus did.

    Hence The Cross.

     
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    Why Don't the Priests Speak out?
    From reading the thread, it looks like any Priest or Seminarian who speaks out gets kicked out.

    I wonder why young men going to seminary are not told if anyone tries to touch them up, they could say..."Don't touch what you can't afford." Or they could be told to say "Sorry, but you are not my type." Or "Sorry, I am a born again virgin, not up for grabs." Any method we girls used to use before it became socially acceptable to report uninvited attention to the police. If all else fails give the bliters a smack in the face.

    What about someone getting a container of those flea things, I heard they are called crabs, smuggle them to the seminarians to plant in the perverts beds. That should keep them busy scratching, instead of stalking other young men who are not interested in their advances. Well, it beats having your vocation ruined, and I am sure Saint Michael would be up for this little adventure. Julia would like to start a 'go get em' web site for seminarians who are looking for ways to beat the b###ers at their own game. And keep their spirits up. I think God would want someone to kick the perverts buts.

     
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    LEST WE FORGET.

    This old thread is as true today as the first time it came to our attention, and the 4 minute video below is a stark reminder we need to Pray for our Priests and Bishops.

    Priests are silenced under obedience or sacked, if they fail to play the politically correct game. Who do you serve? The secular government or Our God. Wake up Bishops for the sake of your immortal souls.

     
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    I so admire priests who lay it on the line at the moment. It takes so much courage

    It reminds me of the words of Jesus on Divorce, 'That because you were so unteachable', Moses permitted Divorce.

    It's the same today People just won't be taught
     
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    Thanks for bringing this thread back up Julia. I am glad to see so many faithful standing for truth in these times.
    I like to read Fr Palka's pastor's bulletin from time to time. He is such a level headed no nonsense salt of the earth type of priest.
    It really makes me wonder when a bishop receives a petition such as the one delivered in the LS video what their reaction is if any. It seems that few of them respond to the laity in any meaningful way. The silence is deafening.
     
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    "Those who should speak will fall silent." (Our Lady of Good Success)
     
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    Jesus spoke of Hell being a real place of suffering and anguish.

    I'd like to believe that is NOT true, but He said it is so.
     
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    Three little children at Fatima were shown hell in 1917, and would have died of fright if Our Lady had not told them they would go to Heaven. Those children gave testimony to what they saw and heard. Hell was still going strong in 1917, and many souls were falling into it as the children watched, terrified.
     
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    Don't forget: the Novena to St. John Vianney, patron of priests, begins July 26. go to https://www.praymorenovenas.com/ and sign up for daily reminders to pray the Novena.
     
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