WORST POPE EVER? FRANCIS’ ASSAULT ON ORTHODOXY FROM A TO Z

First of all let me say I do see that 'things have changed' under this pontificate. Secondly, the unity of which I spoke was a unity of the heart, or to put it in another way 'unity in love'.

The concept of 'unity in truth' is a more difficult concept because of the difficulty in defining truth. And yes, it is in this area that 'things have changed'. You have grown tired of endless debates which is understandable. What Pope Francis has done is to challenge a way of thinking that puts 'following the rules' as the most important element in religion. This inevitably upsets those who have faithfully 'followed the rules' despite all the challenges of a secular world.

You 'despair of my defence' of Pope Francis on the forum. But why? I am just one voice of defence out of a dozen who are constantly criticizing him. I think you are concerned that the faith you know and love is being undermined. I believe that the Church is undergoing a radical challenge but we differ in where the challenge is coming from.

Keep the faith and have hope and trust in God's Church which will never succumb to the devil's schemes. Love God and our neighbour above all else.

 

I agree almost totally with your paragraphs above Mario. But these changes have been taking place and increasing in intensity throughout my lifetime. I can see how you might view Francis as doing nothing to stop the changes but I don't see things that way. Pope Francis is trying to engage a world that has already lost its faith. Ultimately, only God can rescue mankind and He will do so.

 

As I thought on this before I posted, it occurred to me he looks at marriage pre-Christ era and his teachings on marriage. It appears to me that sacramental marriage is no better or worse than those living in fornication or he wouldn't say what he said. He obviously looks at marriage and family issues from a pre-Christian era and perhaps sacramental marriage is just icing on the cake so to speak.

 

What "rules" is Pope Francis speaking of? Unchangeable doctrine that comes from God or changeable disciplines that come from man? Once again, he will not clarify his ambiguity, because he can't without giving up his true agenda, the dissemination of God's moral law/natural law.

 

I am not sure where to put this but it just goes to show, we must be careful in what we believe;

be careful of rumours

'Vatican City, Jul 12, 2017 / 09:01 am (CNA/EWTN News).- Cardinal Gerhard Müller has strenuously denied media reports alleging Pope Francis asked the German prelate five pointed questions before informing him that his term as prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith was not being renewed. The claims have been widely reported on social media.

Citing an unnamed German source, who in turn claims to have received the information from another person, the US-based news site One Peter Five and Italian Vaticanista Marco Tosatti have reported that Pope Francis, when meeting Cardinal Müller June 30, allegedly asked the then-prefect five questions about his views on a range of topics, including the introduction of a female diaconate and priesthood, the abolition of clerical continence, his stance regarding Amoris laetitia, and his stance on Francis sacking three members of staff in the congregation.

According to these reports, after hearing the German cardinal's answers, Francis then informed him his mandate was ending and left the room, leaving behind a patiently waiting Cardinal Müller, who was expecting the Holy Father to be retrieving a token of gratitude, until an embarrassed Archbishop Georg Gänswein, prefect of the Papal Household, told the stumped cardinal that the meeting was in fact over.

Now Cardinal Müller has told Vaticanista Guido Horst that none of these claims are true. Writing in a guest editorial published at CNA Deutsch, Horst describes personally meeting the German clergyman the morning of July 11 in Rome. The journalist, chief correspondent of the "Tagespost" newspaper, describes showing a surprised cardinal a printout of the reports: Müller himself had not seen the reporting on the Internet (his secretary, who provides the 69-year-old with online access, is on leave).

The cardinal was "flabbergasted to read this description of his meeting with the Pope", Horst writes, quoting Cardinal Müller as stating: "This is incorrect". In fact, the whole meeting had run very differently Cardinal Müller asserted, and the claims made by the "anonymous German source" were quite false. The comments echo a brief email sent by the Director of the Holy See Press Office, to both One Peter Five and Marco Tosatti yesterday. In it, Burke states that the claimed "reconstruction is totally false" and requests that the story be updated.'





http://www.the-tidings.com/articles/cardinal-ma-ller-refutes-claims-about-conversation-with-pope

 

davidtlig, I know you believe in the messages of our Lady of Akita because you have posted the video on YouTube.
How is it that you cannot see that what Our Lady warned of is happening right before our eyes?

"The work of the devil will infiltrate even into the Church in such a way that one will see cardinals opposing cardinals, bishops against bishops. The priests who venerate me will be scorned and opposed by their confreres...churches and altars sacked; the Church will be full of those who accept compromises and the demon will press many priests and consecrated souls to leave the service of the Lord.

"The demon will be especially implacable against souls consecrated to God. The thought of the loss of so many souls is the cause of my sadness. If sins increase in number and gravity, there will be no longer pardon for them"

 

Engaging a world that has lost its faith and telling them is okay to co-habitate and it is okay to be divorced and remarriage (without annulment) and receive the body and the blood of Jesus in not helping sinful mankind in its false mercy and will lead to God's ultimate purification of a world worse than the time of Noah and Lot. Such deception.

 

Padraig,

This is an example of where this infighting within the Church plays into the devil's hands. What I say in this post, I state regardless of my position on the issues. Satan will use false accusations to even more deeply divide the Church. Beware!

St. Michael, the Archangel, defend us in battle!

Safe in the Refuge of the Immaculate Heart!

 

Yes. My mother used to say, 'If you believe all you hear , you'll eat all you see!'

I would be particularly careful of reports that are.. let's say, 'Convenient' This one was very, very, very convenient. False news. This would I believe be a mortal sin for whoever started this. Very, very , very serious sin indeed.

Praying for them. May God forgive them. Quite evil, in fact.

 

Anyway Terry I hope you and yours are well.

Please join me in Praying for a young Redemptorist priest who has been in a coma for a year and who is dying; I have my heart set on a miracle, thank you.

 

I think the average Catholic, even a progressive liberal one, can recognize 'false accusations'. No he will use, as many prophecies have attested to, partial truth, half-truths knowing full well he can get those who are not solidly educated in the unchanging truths of God into his camp by doing so. He already has those in the world in his camp, but he is trying to get as many who are otherwise good Catholics into his grasp through partial truth laced with the word everyone loves, called mercy. Pope Francis loves to throw this word around when changing doctrine. Yet it is false mercy that speaks half-truths.

 

There can be doubt that the devil is stirring the pot. Let us not be stirred.

Come Holy Spirit, give us true eyes to see and ears to hear.

There is quite enough wickedness without folks making stuff up

 

I thought you might like this, a blast from the past

 

The balance of condemning or welcoming. Only God has that right. Pope Francis has a very difficult job.

Brother al

 

So do we.

Putting up with him.

 

Thank you for pointing this out as Fr J Martin, recently nominated as advisor to the Holy See PR office, is calling for a reversion of the Cathechism to eliminate the mentioned that homosexual inclination is 'objectivelly disordered' - and substitute it for 'differently ordered'. That would mean that acting upon those tendencies would be intrinsically disordered, and therefore would enable the church to at the very least bless gay marriages.

http://m.ncregister.com/53890/d#.WWo8ZoUpDYU

More importantly papal advisors Kasper, Marx, Spadaro, Schonbor and Paglia have also called in some way or another for such a change

 

More spinning and twisting of God's unchanging truths. It is sure to take place, I can't wait to hear the half-truths to justify this abomination

 

For God's love, St John Paul II was not a 'follower of rules' nor did make that the most important element!

This kind of manichean caricaturization of people's love for God and his Will as revealed to us through the Church, is at the very heart of the great deception. To equate reverence and obedience to the sacred doctrine of Jesus Christ to 'following rules' is simply diobolical.

 

I recall watching the whole thing on EWTN and when he came out unto the balcony I saw a somber man and the longer he stood there in what seemed like a stupor, I had a real eerie feeling that I could not understand.