Pope makes complete overhaul of Vatican liturgical congregation

I've been thinking about the third secret of Fatima and the vision of the Pope standing at the base of a cross on a hill in a city half in ruins littered with the bodies of the martyred and I couldn't help but think that God might be preparing to chastise Rome with earthquakes and an assault by ISIS.

 

Well Rome is definitely supposed to be hit with a major Chastisement as far as approved prophecy goes. Earthquakes almost certainly. Approved prophecy also tells us that the Muslims will invade Europe. I am still wondering whether that "invasion" is an actual military invasion or what is happening now through immigration. We know the Russian will get to Rome. Perhaps they team up somehow with Isis but I don't really see how that could come to pass. Who knows. At this point anything is possible.

 

I just ordered this book earlier today. After hearing so many forum members speak so highly of it, I can't wait read it.

 

I stayed with a wonderful old Italian lady in Rome a few years back. She seemed to me to be very Holy, her family devout Catholics were persecuted by Mussolini during the Second World War and imprisoned. We got on like a house on fire. Anyway I used to go to mass in St Paul's outside the walls first thing every morning. Is caled 'Outside the Walls', because..guess...it is oustide the ancient wall of Rome. It is one of the ancients Basillicas of Rome. I loved it there. In the little Chapel in the Basillica at mass there were the most marvellous frecoes of angels. which I would guess, were painted in the 1920's. I used to walk from St Paul's down to the Vatican every day.

Anyway the Basillica is really gorgoeus, like so many of the Churches in Rome, I loved it there..it became my home away from home. I actually attended mass there siad by a number of African Bishops there in Rome for an Ad Limina visit. I found it touching:

 

Thank you. It's still an appalling scene as described in the book. And to think it is all 'faction', not fictional at all.

I bought a copy of the book the other day, as it had been referred to on a recent thread, perhaps this one. Impatient to read it, I then downloaded a copy from the site you linked to. There are quite a few textual errors on the version I'm reading but nothing insurmountable.

 

I'm sorry but I don't buy Windswept House. I read it some while ago and while it is very readable I was not convinced by it. It is one thing to talk about the 'smoke of Satan' entering into the heart of the Vatican, and another to claim that a black mass was 'definitely' said there complete with animal sacrifice and child rape. We have only Fr Martin's word for it and no proof. I'm not even sure how he could have got to the heart of such darkness as it would inevitably have been secret. That the evil one targets the church and our priests especially is not in doubt.

WH is also very dismissive about 'the Slavic Pope' who collects pictures of Our Lady but is inept and incapable of action.

I'm more interested in prophetic words, but the problem with prophecy is that it can only be proved correct after the event. So in the end we just have to pray, hope and not worry (too much), and take the next right step of course.

I do worry about the church - without the need for Fr Martin's melodrama. it's clear that things are getting to a point where only the Immaculate Heart can rescue us. Time to consecrate to our Lady and fight under her banner. I don't see another way.

Sorry if I offend about Fr Martin - this is my opinion and I don't expect everyone to agree with me.

 

I read somewhere, possibly in comments about the book, that there was a Black Mass but it happened earlier than the timeframe of Fr. Martin's book. I haven't read very far into the book so can't really be sure, but I think it possible that the dreadful satanic ritual and rape happened in the US and Fr. Martin took some poetic licence in describing a parallel event in the Vatican. Commenters have said that the young girl gave an account of the dreadful happenings when she grew up.

I'm getting the impression that Fr. Martin was of the opinion that the reason Our Lady didn't want the thrid secret to be revealed until 1960 was that the Pope would better understand the reasoning once the EU was up and running. The Treaty of Rome which was the start of the European Union came into effect around that time. That makes sense to me when I look at how the EU has evolved. (I shouldn't really be giving opinions about a book that I haven't finished reading).

 

I can say the ritual happened in Charleston,SC and the woman, then 8 years old, passed two lie detector tests and her testimony was/is in good hands.

 

I absolutely believe that the ritual happened in the US. One of the reasons it's taking me so long to read the book is that I am doing a search on each of the characters as their are introduced, using the list of real names that Brian supplied. (Another reason is that the online version is hard on the eyes). I'm coming across all sorts of information as I search for each name, and some of it is very disconcerting if that list is accurate. There may well have been some kind of black mass held in the Vatican but perhaps not coinciding with the happenings in the US. Since Fr. Martin wasn't present at either ritual, his accounts can only be second hand at best. The Church has had its share of shady characters over the years so I suppose anything is possible. A few exorcisms in the Vatican wouldn't do any harm.

 

I'm sure that many of the things Fr Martin puts in his book are true or nearly true but the big danger of this book and similar type 'faction/fiction' books is the mixing of what is true with what is not.

Fr Martin spoke a fair bit about the Third Secret of Fatima and he probably did see the 'missing' document associated with the third secret but he also went further than anyone else in suggesting it included date(s) for when events would occur. I simply don't believe he saw any document that mentioned a date. I believe he just assumed that they would have occurred by the time of the Fatima anniversary in 2017.

 

I was aware that the sacrilegious black mass had happened, but it is one thing to move the location from the US to, say, another European country, and another to the heart of the Vatican. Likewise I'm also not convinced that Fr Martin saw any secret documents pertaining to Fatima. In what circumstances would he be let anywhere near them? Most senior churchmen had not seen them. We know that Cardinal Ratzinger had read the Third Secret by the end of the 1980s, because he admitted it in The Ratzinger Report. But who would have shown it to Fr Malachi, and why?

Lovely man, great imagination, zealous lover of the Church - but with a novelist's imagination.

 

Here is a transcript of a radio interview where he explains where he heard about the secret. Separately he stated it was Cardinal Bea who had shown him the document:

Excerpts from an Art Bell Talk Show - 1998

Art Bell: "Not long ago, someone sent me what they said was the third secret of Fatima. You have read the third secret?"

Malachi Martin: "Early A.M., February 1960 - before I read it I had to take a vow not to reveal it. It would be a shock, no doubt, some would become very angry."

A.B.: (addressing his radio audience) "E-mail it to me, post haste, please, I've lost it! I've lost it. On March 14, 1998, I read it over the air - it's alleged to be the 3rd secret." (Someone in the radio audience sent it, and he reads the alleged 3rd secret which appeared in 1963 in the German newspaper, Neues Europa).

[1] M.M.: "It is not the text given to me to read in 1960. There are elements in it that belong in the text of the 3rd secret - that's the most measured response I could give to it. The real 3rd secret is much more traumatic than what you've just read. The central element is awful - it's not in what you've just read."

A.B.: -"Should it be revealed?"

[2] M.M.: "I'm one small man but I have no authority to do that. I can't make that decision... It would have such dire effects, on much more than Christians. The Cardinal who showed it to me had been present at a meeting with Pope John XXIII to outline to a certain number of Cardinals what should be done with the secret. He, John XXIII, thought it would ruin his ongoing negotiations with Khrushchev and the Kremlin.

Also, he had a different outlook on life, which two years later he echoed very succinctly, and almost contemptuous. On October 11, 1962, at the opening of Vatican II at St. Peter's, he derided most contemptuously the people who he called 'the prophets of doom,' and there was no doubt in our minds that he was talking about the prophecy of Fatima. He was against that. What is in the secret is more horrible than what you've just read: essentially, the onslaught of natural powers...terrible catastrophes, chastisements, and that's not the essence of the 3rd secret; it’s not the frightening one."

A.B.: "I understand, it would be such a shock."

[3] M.M.: "I have no authority, no angel has tapped me on the shoulder, I may be putting my foot in my mouth... Besides, it's a question of shock, of frightening people, of polarizing society. I can't do that... this will fill up the confessionals on Saturday evening. It will fill up the churches with worshippers striking their breasts."

A.B.: "How much weight do you give to the Fatima revelations?"

[4] M.M.: "I consider Fatima to be the key event in the declining fortune of the Roman Catholic organization for the near future of the Church in the third millennium, the defining event... In Rome there are men among the great... with strong wills, all their lives engaged in macro-government, not merely in religion, but in state... They would not touch this with a ten foot pole... Pope John Paul II is an ardent supporter of a one world government… He wants to bring in his brand of Christianity, of course. To the UN he said, 'I am a member of humanity.' This is no longer Pius IX and Pius X (who said) 'I am the vicar of Christ.' Completely absent is the Kingship of Christ... I imagine the person who wrote what you read to me had privy to the original text – yes – at least by word of mouth."

A.B.: “If I read the correct text, would you agree it was correct?”

[5] M.M.: "Yes, I would, I wouldn't lie."

A.B.: "So you don't recognize what I read."

[6] M.M.: Not as part of that one sheet of paper.
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http://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B391_Malachi02.html

There is an interesting 'secular' article about Malachi Martin at:
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/obituary-malachi-martin-1110905.html

 

According to that article in the Independent, Fr. Martin was laicised in 1964. I was under the impression that he died a priest in good standing. Perhaps "laicised" in his case means released from his Jesuit vows rather than being what is often called "defrocked". Does anyone know?

 

I know he was not defrocked. He died a priests in good standing. He would take trips to the Vatican etc. and met with Pope John Paul II and others there. He said he was "secularized" not laicized. He kept his vow of celibacy but not poverty and obedience as he needed to make a living for himself after he left active ministry. He was one of the great exodus of priests that left after Vatican II.

 

Such a pity that he left. He might have served the Church better had he stayed and risen through the ranks. May God rest his soul.

P.S. When I say "left" I was referring to leaving the Jesuits because I know he didn't leave the Church.

 

Yes it is a hard decision. I don't know what it is right to do in a situation like that. I don't think he could have stayed in good conscience though. He would have had to say the New Mass and he was very against it.

 

That is exactly what he told me and was confirmed by his Jesuit superior. It was only his Jesuit vow of obedience that he was released of because he had to support himself by writing books condemning things in the church.

 

Maybe his calling was to be a speaker and writer. He was a very good story teller. Maybe the Holy Spirit led him on that path.

Only God knows...but he was interesting.

Brother al

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/01/volcano-slowly-reawakening-on-romes-doorstep/