The Third Secret of Fatima and Corruption in the Church.

Its a mystery. He wanted that council very much and it may be he was "thinking as the world thinks and not as God thinks" which is easy to do, even for Popes. ( like Peter who heard those words from Jesus) We may never know. I sometimes wonder if Pius XII was the restrainer that St Paul speaks of. When he was taken from us the world went off the rails along with the Church.

 

Funny, I always feel Pius XII is a special figure, point person in anyone's litany.

 

I read an article that says that according to the Catholic philosopher Jean Guitton, Pope John XXIII would have asked for the closing of the council while on his deathbed; I don't know how reliable this is.
https://catholicism.org/last-words-of-john-xxiii-stop-the-council.html

 

Hi ~ long time lurker here

In the small and seemingly insignificant diocese where I live, a movement was started in the early 1900's by a couple of priests. The main "leader" referred to the group he started as "Bolsheviks of a better sort", a startling fact that I've only just discovered while trying to understand the history of our area. To try to be fair, most of the people were living in horrendous circumstances. And even worse, most were immigrants who left home due to persecution only to find themselves in an even worse state. But the errors of this movement spread everywhere, especially Latin America. I sometimes wonder if this even possibly influenced the current Holy Father. Anyway, will attach a couple of articles if you are interested in reading further, and please, if so inclined, offer a prayer for us here in Cape Breton, especially our Bishop.

http://www.alu-c.com/jimmy-tompkins

https://archive.macleans.ca/article/1953/6/1/how-fx-saved-the-maritimes

https://aidhistory.ca/sharing-the-l...-between-local-and-international-development/

 

Maybe Pope John XXIII was a mason. https://vaticancatholic.com/anti-pope-john-xxiii/

 

I won't go there, but that line from one of the Lord of the Rings movies comes to mind, "And they were, all of them, deceived."

It's heart breaking, but we know where our hope is

 

Sister Lucia said that 1960 should be the year of the revelation of the secret (because its content would be clearer from this year on), if John xxiii was a Freemason, shouldn't the year of the revelation be 1958 when the conclave that elected Roncalli took place?

 

Most Holy Family Monastery is probably schismatic. I don’t believe a word they say.

 

Very interesting Lois. I have visited Cape Breton on and off for 40 years and we have some dear friends there. I had no idea of this history.

 

Where there’s smoke there’s fire. There is much truth to their version of Pope John XXIII’s life.

 

I sometimes have the impression that the promise that Portugal would always uphold the dogma of the faith was the reason John xxiii did not obey the Fatima message as he may have felt that Portugal was overshadowing the role of eternal Rome in the message.

 

Pope Pius x11 was a mystic and a Marian Saint. Which is why the Communists tried to destroy his good name by saying he did not help the Jews.

The Masons in the Church hate him like poison which is why he has never been declared a saint.

I have a very,very special love and veneration for this particular Pope.

There was a great film about the nun who looked after him from Germany. Which explains much.

He had a huge love for Germany and the German people, which I share.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascalina_Lehnert

 

I don't believe a Pope in all history was as slandered as Pope Pius xii, bless his holy name.

 

I agree. He was absolutely hated by the modernist clergy. They were just waiting to break loose. I just heard last night while relistening to the talks on Our Lady of Revelation that Pius XII worried about the terrible errors in many theologians and hierarchy. He wanted to call a council (!!!) To address the errors head on. His friends and advisors told him not to--it would open the flood gates of heresy just simmering under the surface. JXXIII called the council and it got hijacked. And now we are in the mess we are in.

Actually I think it was a talk by Fr Vincent Miceli of holy memory--a talk called The Roots of Modernism. I listened to both last night(our Lady of Revelation) and they are very similar in their analyses.

 

That's just about the way it was, I think.

Pope Pius xii, a Marian saint, mystic , was super smart and knew how to figure things out.

Pope John xiii , a very lovable saint, was smart himself , but very innocent in many ways and too drawn to the currents of the times.

Both of them were saints in different ways. But I guess Pius xii was the shrewder. Poor Pope John strode out and fell down a big bog hole , bless him. Poor man.

Pope Paul the vi , also a saint but a martyr, smart himself, lived to see the results. He always looked in torment, is it any wonder?

It reminds me of the words of Jesus.

 

St Teresa of Avila once famously said that if she had to choose between a holy Confessor and a learned Confessor she would always choose the learned one.

There's a lot to say for being smart.

Being Holy is truly wonderful.

But in a leadership position smartness comes to the fore. We Catholics have always understood this better than most.

Never underestimate shrewdness and smartness. Shrewdness especially.

You don't gain any brownie points for coming second best to these plotting devils.

Pope Francis I, who is neither shrewd nor holy, please take note.

 

Pope Paul the VI got hijacked himself for awhile I think. But then he realized what had happened but Pandora's box had opened and he couldn't put it back. He really was in torment the last years of his life. Malachi Martin said toward the end he walked the halls of the Vatican repeating over and over the Apostle's Creed. I can't imagine what he suffered. I think Padre Pio and Fr Dolindo knew. What sorrow!!!

 

If you want a good example of a modern leader who was both shrewd and smart, I would say President Reagan was a good example.

 

If you don't know where you are coming from , you'll never know where you are going.

I would say that was the kernel of what went wrong.

Too many Popes forgot and still forget where they came from and thus fly blind. They thought they could do better than the lessons of the last 2,000 years and fly off on the own.

Foolish.

Apart form Pope Francis, I would say they were all saints.

But they weren't all wise.

Not at all.

 

Pope Benedict and Pope John Paul were both wise and Holy. But they didn't know how to put the boot in.

They would have done well to shown a hard ruthlessness to evil.

To the likes of McCarrick for instance...and all pervert and child abusing clergy, to heretics, the corrupt and what have you.

Once having the power, they should have used it with abandon.

They were the Vicars of Christ.

Well then, Vicar.

Beat all round them.

Total, total, total ruthlessness