My dear friends – at this moment I can only say: pray for me, that I may learn to love the Lord more and more. Pray for me, that I may learn to love his flock more and more – in other words, you, the holy Church, each one of you and all of you together. Pray for me, that I may not flee for fear of the wolves. Let us pray for one another, that the Lord will carry us and that we will learn to carry one another. [Pope Benedict XVI, 24 April, 2005] https://wdtprs.com/2010/03/pray-for-me-that-i-may-not-flee-for-fear-of-the-wolves/
I must say in the face of the Great Evil that has overtaken Our Holy Mother the Church in these latter days the Great Temptation it seems to me is this from Satan, the Father of Lies. That we should remain Silent in the Face of these Evils. Not that we should speak against them. The greatest evil we could commit, is by way of our silence. We have the gravest, gravest duty to speak out. Silence, at this present moment, is by far, far, far the easiest path. This should give us the very gravest pause for thought. The true way is always, always the hardest way, the way of the Cross. The very hardest way at present is the way of speaking out.
I just ordered Fr. Murr's book. Looking forward to reading it. Thanks for your impressions, Lois and garabandal.
Is this a dig at me? I can't really tell and actually don't care, but just to clarify: this post is about reverence due to priests, not about silence of the truths in the Gospel and Church. The doctor of the Church wrote about reverence due to priests and this is what I shared above, not about staying silent or not proclaiming the truth of the gospel. That is not what this thread is about. Do people have a problem with reverence? How and why did this thread become about silence instead of reverence, I don't know. But I would sincerely like to read what St Catherine said about silence if you can quote the text or point me to the right books, so that I can post them here myself. I also recommend reading page 243-244 from St Catherine's book above where the dignity of the Pope is discussed To whom did He leave the keys of this Blood? To glorious Apostle Peter and to all His successors who are or shall be until the Day of Judgment, all of them having the same authority that Peter had, which is not diminished by any defect of their own, not is any defect caused thereby to the Blood or to any of the Sacraments, for, as I have already told thee, this Sun does not become defiled on any impurity on which it shines, and it does not lose its light amid the darkness of mortal sin, whether it be in the minister or in the recipient , such sin merely diminishing grace and increasing sin in the unworthy minister or recipient. Thus the Christ on earth holds the keys of the Blood as...I manifested to thee in this parable showing thee what reverence seculars ought to have for my ministers whether they be good or evil and how much irreverence towards them displeases Me.
Andree, fwiw, here's an example of reverence - silence from my own experience. (see linked article) This priest brought my husband into the Church and married us. We usually make a yearly visit to his grave. He passed away on Christmas Day a few years ago. Neither of us knew his history. It was certainly not well known. It was possible to respect his priesthood, but let me tell you it was difficult to stay silent considering someone thought it was a good idea to allow him in the seminary, let alone be ordained... A paradox, if you will.. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova...victions-not-a-secret-parish-council-1.795322
My pastor commented yesterday from the pulpit during Mass that the statement from Rome after the overturn of Roe v Wade was a nice statement but it never mentioned the name of Jesus once. He was quite stern about that. I went back to the statement and it talks about the good for humanity. Yep. Jesus is not mentioned, neither are the Ten Commandments. That to me is a strong indication of Masonic beliefs. And my priest spoke out about it to enlighten us, although he did not use the word Masonic.
The Pontifical Academy for Life has joined the U.S. Bishops Conference's statement on the Supreme Court's decision to overturn the constitutional right to abortion. In it, Archbishop Gomez and Archbishop Lori declared that “it is a time for healing wounds, repairing social divisions, and coming together to build a society and economy where every woman has the support and resources she needs to bring her child into this world in love.” The President of the Pontifical Academy for Life, Archbishop Vincenzo Paglia, said that “this act is a powerful invitation to reflect together on the serious and urgent issue of human generativity,” and that “by choosing life, our responsibility for the future of humanity is at stake.” The statement from the pontifical academy notes how the Court's decision shows how the issue of abortion continues to arouse heated debate, and demonstrates the need for adequate sexual education, accessible health care for all, and legislation to protect families and mothers. As my pastor said, the name of Jesus is not mentioned once.
Exactly.. The notion: Don't Speak about Serious Sins of the Leaders? Is Satanic! It's a serious form of COVERUP! IN THE FACE OF Receiving Reports of Priests (and in some cases bishops) Homo-Sexually, Etc., Victimizing some (including underage) Laity (including Seminarians) ? The SILENCE / COVERUPPING of the Bishops and Priests? Is perhaps a greater Sin - than the Sexual Abuses... That alone became a major 'win' for Satan - as in an indelible broadside against the ship Church; a win which set the visible Church into a continuous downward spiral. THE CHURCH? The Mystical Body of Christ? GOD's one and only True TEMPLE? -- Shall never be overcome by SATAN's AntiChrist and his minions! Strive to be within - i.e., a member of - this Spiritual Church! Via Obedience to God! Via Obedience to His Door Jesus' Gospel Teachings! If any are not very strong in Faith? Pray to God - Ask Him for Help! +
I tend to lean on the side of reverencing the priest. I am not comfortable in directly criticizing any priest. I used to be very free with such criticisms in my outrage against the scandals but now I keep silent and pray. I think criticizing or relating reported abuses about a priest is not my job. If I know for a fact a priest is acting in decently then yes I must take steps. To stay silent is plain wrong. But in the general way of things I take very much to heart the words Jesus spoke to St Catherine of Siena. Its way way above my pay grade to do otherwise.
Devastating for you to find this out. I have certainly had to face some shocking revelations about priests that I thought were good priests. I remember when the truth about Fr Ritter ftom Covenant House came out I refused to believe it until the proof was so glaringly clear I had no choice. A priest I liked very much when I was in college as a spiritual advisor recently turned up on a "list" of accused priests from the Diocese of Buffalo. That was a shock. There have been others since. I don't know what to say about any of it. I have no words.
Sounds a bit like waffle words. "On the one hand this...on the other hand that..."et your yes be yes and your no be no.
Yes, I adored Fr Ritter.. I am still not over this. I don't know. Prayers. The same deal with Fr Corapi.
Avoiding irreverence is not the same as silence in the face of evil. Avoiding calumny, detraction, slander etc. is demanded by the Catholic Church's teaching. Catechism of the Catholic Church: 2477 Respect for the reputation of persons forbids every attitude and word likely to cause them unjust injury. He becomes guilty: - of rash judgment who, even tacitly, assumes as true, without sufficient foundation, the moral fault of a neighbor; - of detraction who, without objectively valid reason, discloses another's faults and failings to persons who did not know them; - of calumny who, by remarks contrary to the truth, harms the reputation of others and gives occasion for false judgments concerning them. 2478 To avoid rash judgment, everyone should be careful to interpret insofar as possible his neighbor's thoughts, words, and deeds in a favorable way: Every good Christian ought to be more ready to give a favorable interpretation to another's statement than to condemn it. But if he cannot do so, let him ask how the other understands it. And if the latter understands it badly, let the former correct him with love. If that does not suffice, let the Christian try all suitable ways to bring the other to a correct interpretation so that he may be saved.280 2479 Detraction and calumny destroy the reputation and honor of one's neighbor. Honor is the social witness given to human dignity, and everyone enjoys a natural right to the honor of his name and reputation and to respect. Thus, detraction and calumny offend against the virtues of justice and charity.
Galatians 1:8 - Douay Rheims Bible (DRB 1899) But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema.
Not sure what you are saying... Do you believe the Catechism of the Catholic Church is in opposition to the Gospel?
Proper and Allowable Discernment of Sin re: Works of Mercy (Admonish the sinner) - especially wrt False Teachings - is by definition, not Rash Judgement.
