Papal Heresy?

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  1. Byron

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    Except Brian we have entered according to Fr Gobbi … “into the conclusive period of the great tribulation, and the hour of the great trial, of which Our Lady has been foretelling for so many years. It has arrived. It is a trial so great and painful, that you cannot even imagine it. But it is necessary for the Church and for all humanity, in order that the new era, the new world, and the reconciliation of humanity with their Lord, may come upon us. Never has peace been so threatened, because the struggle of Satan against God is becoming stronger and stronger, more insidious, continual, and universal. This is the time of the great trial, the great apostasy. The great trial comes for the Church, because it will be shaken by the lack of faith, obscured by apostasy, wounded by betrayal, abandoned by its children, divided by schisms, possessed and dominated by Freemasonry, turned into fertile soil from which will spring up the wicked tree of the man of iniquity, the Antichrist, who will bring his kingdom into its interior.” All this is happening today. I don’t know how the end of the world will come, but I do know the end of an era is close.
     
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    I can’t measure our current status on one priest’s opinion, even if that priest claimed to have received private revelations.

    I went to Gobbi cenacles for years. I also had a close friend, a devout priest, who left the priesthood at least in some small part because of Gobbi’s failed prophecy (in his opinion) that all would come about prior to the year 2,000. He personally spent years starting Gobbi cenacles all over the diocese, and we attended the cenacle with him at his parents home for many years. He feels he made a fool of himself promoting what in his view turned out to be failed prophecies.
     
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  3. padraig

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    When we say, 'Minor' , Apostasy it is often a kind of technical term. It is, 'Minor' in comparing it to the Final Apostacy at the coming of the anti Christ before the Last Judgement. The Final Battle between Good and Evil.

    Not, 'Minor' in the sense that it is little. As a glance at this map will prove.

    It is heart stopping.

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    It's unwise to stake all on prophecies that the Church teaches us are conditional. This applies even to gilt-edged ones such as Fatima and Akita. We only torture ourselves trying to second guess God.
     
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  5. DeGaulle

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    Frankly, I'm surprised that it is not a lot less. 'Absolute certainty' is a very high bar. It is also one that can have different meanings across different cultures. Pascal proposed his wager, hardly a declaration of certainty, in an era that unquestionably had more believers.

    For example, it's hard to credit that a quarter of the people in the Republic of Ireland possess such certainty. The map lacks accuracy in that the North, in reality, seems more faithful than in the South and is obviously lumped in with the UK average.

    To me, the phenomenon seems worse in those countries most effected by the Reformation and the 'Enlightenment', with France also having had to deal with the Revolution. The East is faring somewhat better than the West. Scandinavia is better than I would have expected, despite those long centuries of Protestantism.

    I'd hope there's still a sufficient bedrock to guarantee a good response to a Warning.
     
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    Russia is not doing so great either, despite what some Catholics claim about it being, 'Converted'.

    Portugal is doing quite well though.

    In line with what Our Lady said in Fatima.

    'In Portugal the Dogma of the Faith will be preserved'.

     
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    On the other hand the amount of people who continue to believe in God in the USA is quite extraordinary:

    (I would guess that Republican leaning states tend to be more inclined to Faith than Democrat)


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    If Jesus does show up too early I could volunteer to recommend to Him to read some Desmond Birch so He can properly plan His second coming according to the established timeline.

    (Yes, I’m joking.)
     
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    Unfortunately like so many the triumph of the Immaculate Heart was misunderstood. Her triumph isn’t an event of magic. It’s a continuous process of prayer, fasting, and penance that brings her Immaculate Heart to triumph. The 2,000 Jubilee was an example of her triumph. Every time we convert is a triumph for her Immaculate Heart. And through her again like it was with Christ’s birth, He will come again. Fr Gobbi’s Italian interpretation confused some. He came back with a small pamphlet to explain it more in detail. I’m sorry about your friend. Sad.
     
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    I Must read up on Birch. I think I read him years and years ago. I will have to restudy, everyone seems to be quoting him...:):)
     
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    :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
     
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    He's comprehensive and sober. There's nothing of the sensationalist about him and he keeps a balanced perspective, so far as I can see. Well worth a read or re-read, whichever is the case.
     
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    He draws from many prophecies from many Church saints which are centuries old. His timeline is the same as yours. Pray for his health. He has serious heart issues right now.
     
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    https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2022/09/bad-news-from-frejus-toulon.html?m=1

    Bad news from Fréjus-Toulon
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    Bishop Dominique Rey meets with his clergy, September 15, 2022

    As reported on Gloria-TV, Bishop Rey of Frejus-Toulon, who has been placed under curatorship, told a priests' meeting of further restrictions imposed on him by the Congregation for Bishops following the ban on ordinations scheduled for July.
    ♦ All orders and communities in the diocese must undergo a visitation by Vatican commissioners;
    ♦ Bishop Rey can no longer admit new communities to the diocese;
    ♦ All priests serving in the diocese are required to concelebrate at Chrism Masses and "if necessary" to officiate as presiders at Novus Ordo Eucharistic celebrations;
    ♦ The approval of the Council of Priests is required for the admission of new priests to the diocese.

    These orders, whose legal admissibility would have to be examined by jurists, are in any case consistently in line with Traditionis Traditores and show in an exemplary manner the means by which Rome wants to destroy the traditional liturgy after all, which has proven to be so extremely vital. While the heretics of the Synodal Way and of pseudo-marriage for same-sex couples can continue their work of destruction with the very highest wink, the adherents of the Church of two millennia are marginalized and ever more brutally forced out of the Church. In the new church of the spirit of the age, nothing shall ever again remind us of the past Church of the Holy Spirit.

    Of course, the enterprise will fail. The question is how long it will take for this insight to take hold in Rome as well. The second question is how the congregations and communities that want to preserve fidelity to the traditional doctrine and liturgy can best succeed in resisting the pressure exerted on them fr
     
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    Through the supression of the Mass less graces flow into the world - this is a form of auto-destruction -
     
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    I think this persecution of the TLM is itself a grave form of heresy IMO. From the article:

    Rome wants to destroy the traditional liturgy after all, which has proven to be so extremely vital. While the heretics of the Synodal Way and of pseudo-marriage for same-sex couples can continue their work of destruction with the very highest wink​
     
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    "We shall find out at the day of judgment that the greater number of Christians who are lost were damned because they did not know their own religion." - St. Jean-Marie Vianney

    "A priest goes to Heaven or a priest goes to Hell with a thousand people behind." - St. Jean-Marie Vianney

    'I do not speak rashly, but as I feel and think. I do not think that many bishops are saved, but that those who perish are far more numerous.’ - St. John Chrysostom, Doctor and Father of the Church

    St. Athanasius who was excommunicated by Pope Liberius became the 1st * Doctor of the Catholic Church and who was known as the Father of Orthodoxy stated:

    "The floor of hell is paved with the skulls of Bishops." – St. Athanasius, Council of Nicea, 325 A.D.
     
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    The toleration of the heretics and the suppression of the truly faithful is not a bug, but a feature. The methodology displayed against Bishop Rey seems more like the actions of stormtroopers or stasi than of men of the Church. Perhaps a foreshadowing of how the New World Church will deal with the faithful, in the future.
     
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    Stasi (the Secret Police in Communist East Germany) is exactly the correct allusion, DeGaulle. That is what is meant by "communism" by the Garabandal seers. It is THIS "communism" that is infiltrating the Catholic Church.

    The Stasi were "secret police." They were the German arm of the "Russian" communist KGB. It is the tactics of THESE "communists" that we need to be watching for, not the tactics of tanks and missiles and armies. This is how "Russia [communist infiltrators] will unexpectedly and suddenly overrun and overwhelm a great part of the free world [the Catholic faithful]." It is "unexpected" because they work in secret until they are ready to pounce. They lie and make up excuses while they are laying traps for their prey (the faithful Catholics). Like Freemasons, they don't work in the open, until they have achieved "checkmate" (in their eyes).
     
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    I’m convinced global communism IS an element of Freemasonry.
     
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