Does Pope Francis have blood on his hands?

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  1. garabandal

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    We are not called to "follow the science".

    We are called to follow the Lord.
     
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    Can we criticise the clergy?

    I am reading a really great book about Saint Phillip Neri at the moment. A saint who really stands out for his gentleness, kindness, love and just being a generally loveable guy. He lived at a time of immense corruption in the Church at the time of the Protestant so called Reformation and the Counter Reformation/ Council of Trent. He was an is a kind of super Saint. By this I mean he had a whole crop of other saints who knelt at this feet (people who were his disciples while he lived) and after his death St Francis De Sales, Saint Jane Chantal and St John Bosco to name just a few. Popes , Cardinals Bishops flocked to his feet. He was known as the Apostle of Rome and almost single handed converted in a big way the city of that time.

    Really a mega saint and so much known for his charity, his love of God and others. After his death the Doctors actually cut open his heart and found he had displaced three ribs his heart had been so enlarged by love.

    But the author notes that he was known for his criticisms of the clergy of his day. One of St Phillip Neri's heroes was, for instance, Savranola who was burnt to death by enraged Clerical Authorities sick of his accusations.

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    There are a number of such sites and blogs (and individuals) like the one you are referring to and I find them wearying mainly because of the lack of charity in the way they raise issues - but not because they shine the light on things which should concern us. I believe we must do as our conscience - not as our mind and emotions - bids us. We're not all called to respond to issues in life in the same way but God calls us to a specific response in every situation and that is a path we must take as individuals, not avoid. For a long time, I tried to tell myself that just as God spoke to me and my husband about the vax, He surely and more so would have guided the Pope. But it's been almost 3 years now and we're learning more and more each day about those shots - even the non-MRNA ones, and I just cannot believe that God would have spoken to the Pope's heart that taking the vax was a moral obligation.

    That said, I love that you pray for those who do wrong and that you have the courage to hold up your own life to the Light when you encounter wrong-doing. I do so as well but of course, I can do it much more and I will.
     
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    And when he promotes the Clinton Foundation I suppose he’s not well informed either.

    Or when he calls Italys Emma Bonino a “forgotten great”, a woman who had performed 10,000 abortions, often with a bycicle pump.

    Or when he calls Joe Biden a “good Catholic”.

    Even at this very very late hour some still refuse to see the big picture.

    Amazing.
     
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    The Lord has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts— so that their eyes cannot see, and their hearts cannot understand, and they cannot turn to me and have me heal them.”

    John 12:40
     
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    I made a statement about the sin of rash judgment. That’s all I did.
    I am blessed to see the big picture. Thank God.
     
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    This is the most coherent explanation I have heard so far. It makes sense. Thank you.
     
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    Agree.
     
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    God must sort this out be it Pope or president or doctor. It is so terrifying what we experienced these last three years. In hindsight the whole thing looks nefarious. And it will come to light. It will all come to light.
     
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    Amen!
     
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    I cannot defend his actions. But why he acts this way I do not know. Only God knows.. May God intervene soon to save him.
     
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    Beautifully said Seagrace. We must all hold up our lives to the Light. I am hesitant to criticize anyone because in my life I have done such egregious things and by God's grace I have been forgiven. I don't want to be the Unjust Steward. I pray everyone--everyone everywhere receives the mercy I received. Thats my bottom line.
     
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    This is my point of view exactly.
     
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    Beautifully spoken. God is not finished with any one of us yet.
     
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    Exactly. And he above all people to encourage injecting your body with aborted fetal cells is beyond morally questionable.
     
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    True, God is prolonging His mercy for Pope Francis. We must be patient with God...
     
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    It would be wonderful if we all knew all truth , and justice could be brought, but we don’t. That has not been given to us.
     
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    Thank you Brian for putting it so well.
     
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