Cardinal Burke: we will make ‘formal act of correction’ if Pope doesn’t issue Amoris clarification

Even granting (and I'm not doing so) that the sin would be venial, how can one receive absolution when he refuses to stop the sin? That is impossible. An absolutely necessary part of contrition is the intent to stop the sin in question, be it venial or mortal. The sin is, here, having sex with someone to whom you are not married, a.k.a. adultery. Ergo, that must stop before absolution is given, with the firm intent never to engage in it again.

 

I don't find the adultery as painful as the Sacriligeous and repeated reception of the Blessed Sacrament. The fact that it is Church approved makes it most certainly a sin that cries out to God for vengeance. The angels must have their swords out ready to smite.

 

This is the great travesty of what is being proposed and why only those who have a firm purpose of amendment to live as brother and sister can, in certain limited cases with the approval and discernment of their priests, receive Holy Communion.

The Church is very understanding of the fact that many people have gotten themselves into difficult situations, but the fact remains you must amend your ways to be permitted to receive Our Lord.

 

Padre Pio was insistent on this. REAL CONTRITION AND A FIRM AMENDMENT OF LIFE.

GRACE IS FREE, IT ISN'T CHEAP

BOUGHT WITH THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB

 

The problem is that PF, through AL, is ignoring the fact that the sinner's ways must be amended to allow worthy reception of the Holy Eucharist. Now, the catch-phrase is 'discernment according to one's own conscience". Whether or not the conscience is properly formed according to the long-held teachings of the Catholic Church does not matter, it seems.

 

The Church has never taught that one can discern according to one's own conscience. The Church has taught that one can discern using a well-formed conscience. There is a world of difference between the two, but somehow those pushing this agenda always avoid adding the "well-formed" before saying conscience. A well-formed conscience means that one's conscience is informed by and in line with what the Church teaches. So basically do what the Church teaches, not what you want.

People are being mislead into thinking that "conscience" is "Whatever I feel God is okay with I can do". This is a lie. Many people have flawed consciences. Some people are psychopaths and feel no guilt. Their "conscience" may tell them that anything they do is okay. Some people are raised in cultures where polygamy is commonplace and so their "conscience" tells them that there is nothing wrong with it. Some people are same sex attracted and so incorrectly think "Well God made me this way so it's okay."

No, a conscience must be informed by and guided by what the Church teaches. Period. Or else it is of no better use than a broken compass.

What is being perpetrated upon the Church is a mass deception by the devil. I honestly believe that many of our leaders in the hierarchy are so confused themselves that they do not even realize that what they are doing is not Catholic. We have been poorly catechized, but so have they.

It is the blind leading the blind.

 

Most of the worst offenders in the hierarchy are dripping degrees in Philosopy, Theology, etc. They aren't confused. Misled possibly but not confused. And they do realize that what they are doing is not Catholic but they do it anyway. Like all evil doers, they want everyone else to join in to make their evil appear good. Misery loves company.

One priest on Sensus Fidelium summed up the danger of compromising on sin when he said that God isn't up in Heaven saying "let's make a deal".

 

My thoughts on that Dolours is that they are so diabolically disoriented that they truly are lost and do not see what they are doing as evil. Maybe I am being overly charitable and naive, but I don't think so. Of course it is a mixture of people so there are different levels of guilt involved.

The one thing I would guess is that to become so confused they made compromises to their faith along the way (if they ever had it) and this led them to the sad (and dangerous) state they are in. I know that is what happened to me when I lost my faith. It happened bit by bit and over time. We have been Divinely tasked with praying for them to hopefully get at least some of them out of their stupor.

You make a good point here in saying that many of them may have been trained poorly in seminary. What good is a theology degree if it is bad theology?

 

I am in agreement with you FP. I don't want to see the forum close down either. All this talk of our Holy Father is upsetting me quite a bit, but I don't want to be in the dark about it either. I do think I need to take a break from reading it though.

 

I agree, the whirlwind of chaos within the church is happening right now. I have witnessed many nominal Catholics who are very happy with the changes that are occurring with this papacy. It breaks my heart, I can only imagine what it is doing to our Lord. We must hold fast to the true Magisterium, follow our heavenly mother Mary into this battle and pray. We know what the end holds for all of us.

 

Well said

Well said Praetorian and Dolours. I think of Malachi martin’s explanation—apologizing for how simple it sounded. “They have lost their faith. It is as simple as that. If you have lost your faith do you know you have lost it? No. You think those others are medieval and superstitious. And Christ does not always call you back. He may give you a look in passing...”
I have never forgotten those chilling words. There is a great divide between those with faith and those without. And as you say Praetorian it can go in little compromises and concessions as well as in great sin. We must pray that God will take pity on them and call them back.

 

It is very worrying. We must pray a lot for them because some of them probably genuinely believe that they are doing the will of God.

Looks like Malachi Martin was right all along. We had better say a few extra prayers for the Jesuits. They won't be closed down so best to pray that the Holy Spirit will set them straight. Such a shame, really, because they had given some great saints and servants to the Church. The current lot are like carpetbaggers.

Pope Francis has said a few things lately that actually sounded Catholic. And the usual attack dogs seem to have been muzzled. Do you think it possible that the Correction has already been issued but not yet made public?

 

I suspect this to be true.

 

It is true, whatever one's position on Fr. Martin are, he was extremely accurate in his understanding and explanation of what was and is going on in the Church that has led us to this point. I think if he were alive today he would say "This is it! This is the time that I have been predicting would come."

I certainly think it is very possible the Formal Correction has been issued in private or will be shortly. There is really nothing else Cardinal Burke can do at this point, unless there are things happening behind the scenes that he is waiting for that we are unaware of.

 

He darkens our minds, and gives us over to our desires so that we may suffer the consequence of our sin. It is a final act of Love. I imagine that in spite of our guilt and deserving of justice how much it must pain the Father to watch us go head first toward destruction.

It is for this reason that the message of Garabandal springs to my mind and is one of great hope. A very great possibility; to be woken to the Truth of each persons soul in the sight of God. One I am afraid also of the possibility of great sufferings, since those who yet refuse to repent after even such a Grace as this will seek with malice to destroy all things about them that are Truth and serve to remind them of their iniquity. Because we have been told that Christians will suffer incredible persecutions, even more than we currently see I surmise that this great Grace will serve as well to harden the hearts of those given over to iniquity and embolden them in their desires to attempt to destroy that which belongs to God.

I personally think that what is yet to come for the Church will be a much greater challenge to each of us individually than whatever controversy exists over Pope Francis teachings.

 

Yes, Don, those with dead consciences will do whatever it takes so as to not have them revived. That means destroying any whose lives are a clear witness to the Truth. Those of us who strive with God's grace to be faithful witnesses are making a target of ourselves. As you say, this will be even more so after the Warning.

Safe in the Refuge of the Immaculate Heart!

 

The damage is done now, correction issued or not. Priests are performing mock wedding ceremonies for homosexuals. A blind eye is being turned to adultery. An ecumenical Mass is being tried out in Italy. High profile LGBT Masses and other Church ceremonies being held in various countries. And now a Cardinal is using a substitute for Sacred Scripture at Mass. It will be almost impossible to turn that tide, which was probably the reason for the Pope ignoring the dubia - it bought them time to introduce heretical and sacrilegious practices with hardly a whimper of opposition from those whose duty it is to defend the Faith.

 

Can you believe all of this has happened in a year and a half? How far has the Church fallen so fast? Of course the groundwork was laid for a very long time, but I find it hard to comprehend how the Church is just collapsing so quickly. It reminds me of something Hitler said when he was about to attack the Soviet Union. His generals were worried because on paper the Red Army was huge, but Hitler felt that the effects of liberalism and communism had a rotting effect on people. He said "You only have to kick in the door and the whole rotten structure will come crashing down."

Of course history has proven Hitler wrong, but it seems from an earthly perspective that the same sentence could be applied to the Church today. Fortunately we do have the guarantee from Christ that it will never fully collapse, but I think we have reached the time predicted by Pope Benedict about a smaller Church. The time of the Remnant Church seems to have arrived. Perhaps soon faithful Catholics will be driven underground and by their own Church no less.

The attack we were all awaiting from outside has come from inside. The walls have been breached. A Trojan Horse has always been the quickest and most deceptive way to victory.

 

It feels like a roller-coaster ride. I think we have hit the summit of the ride about 1.5 years ago and we are on our way down quickly. The bottom of the ride will be horrible. I said to my wife last night.....I don't think anyone has an idea that we are headed for the worst time in the history of man! It truely is as Jesus said it would be, "right up until the time of Noah" and the great flood. Clueless the world is.

 

Yes. Exactly. The Trojan horse. The institutional church has rotten timbers but the Bride of Christ is eternal. The gates of Hell may acquire the buildings but buildings aren’t the faith. Look at Catholics in China. The have Mass in houses. The faith and the faithful may contract for a time. But the Mystical Body ofChrist triumphs. This new hetetodixcatholic Church theyare so busybuilding will be an empty shell by and by —a social club for SJWs and no one lays their life on the line for that. No Maccabees in that church.