Theologians & Scholars Formally Request Correction of Amoris Laetitia

I am sure this post will be dismissed as emotional crap by the clever clogs (are clogs good for the feet Brian) on this forum but here goes. It may well receive the usual abuse from certain quarters. Bring it on.

I see that in America prepping for the end times is quute popular. This prepping includes the constructions of shelters with stores of items essential for survival. Of course these people rarely consider prayer, fasting, confession, penance and communion as essential to survival.

But even these will realise after the Warning that some of the most essential items will include shoulders and arms and tissues.

As we gaze into the shocked but enlightened eyes of those who have recieved an education of their offences, a correction of conscience, for those who are confronted with truth for the first time, shoulders, even of strangers, will be essential for support, arms will be essential for hugs of comfort and reassurance, and tissues will help to wipe the rivers of tears from our eyes and the eyes of our neighbour, so that we can clearly see the path ahead and take the next right step towards a better participation in the joys of love. Amoris Laetitiae.

Remember, the Vatican knows the exact date of The Miracle. It knows that The Warning precedes it by a short time. The Pope knows we are running out if time to prepare for these events. Under these circumstances it is inconceivable that he would promulgate false teaching or confuse those who seek the truth.

The only possible conclusion for me is that those who accuse him of such things are either blind or misguided. I do not think Brian or Mac or Padraig are evil but I do see clearly the potential for evil in their gospel. As Brian so rightly says I see only good in the Gospel of Francis which is the Gospel of the Catholic Church. Again I ask What has he said that contradicts the Faith. Nothing.

May God preserve us all. Or as CD says so much better "God save all here."

 

Jesus needs no defence. Pope Francis does. To defend the Pope is to witness to faith in the Truth that is Jesus as far as I am concerned. In Garabandal we were warned that less and less importance was being given to The Eucharist. How repulsive it is that so called Catholics are implying that our Holy Father is complicit in this offence. Once again I ask you for an example of Our Holy Father contradicting Truth or desecrating Eucharistic Jesus. This you cannot provide.

 

[quote="Joe Crozier, post: 139568, member: 5067". Once again I ask you for an example of Our Holy Father contradicting Truth or desecrating Eucharistic Jesus. This you cannot provide.[/quote]

http://www.onepeterfive.com/pope-francis-contradicts-church-teaching-again/

 

I see at least one other member has asked you to remove one of your disturbing videos. They lack the Spirit of Christ.

 

http://www.onepeterfive.com/pope-francis-contradicts-church-teaching-again/[/quote]
Quote the example from Pope Francis.

 

They leave me nauseated.

 

Did you even read any of Dolours or Brians posts?

 

How about the words of a pope:

"In assessing Our duty and the situation now prevailing, We have been weighed upon by the thought that a matter of this kind [i.e. error in respect of the Faith] is so grave and so dangerous that the Roman Pontiff,who is the representative upon earth of God and our God and Lord Jesus Christ, who holds the fulness of power over peoples and kingdoms, who may judge all and be judged by none in this world, may nonetheless be contradicted if he be found to have deviated from the Faith. Remembering also that, where danger is greater, it must more fully and more diligently be counteracted, We have been concerned lest false prophets or others, even if they have only secular jurisdiction, should wretchedly ensnare the souls of the simple, and drag with them into perdition, destruction and damnation countless peoples committed to their care and rule, either in spiritual or in temporal matters; and We have been concerned also lest it may befall Us to see the abomination of desolation, which was spoken of by the prophet Daniel, in the holy place. In view of this, Our desire has been to fulfil our Pastoral duty, insofar as, with the help of God, We are able, so as to arrest the foxes who are occupying themselves in the destruction of the vineyard of the Lord and to keep the wolves from the sheepfolds, lest We seem to be dumb watchdogs that cannot bark and lest We perish with the wicked husbandman and be compared with the hireling."

- Pope Paul IV in the Apostolic Constitution Cum Ex Apostolic Officio of February 15, 1559

So the popes have taught that popes may deviate from the Faith.

Case closed.

Unless Pope Paul IV was a heretic.

;-)

 

Do you?

 

I suspect the only thing that is closed is your mind Brian. You call me a papal positivist. Are you a papal negativist? Pope Francis has not been found to have deviated from the faith in his teaching. You have already admitted that. That case is definitely closed.

 

Gang! ... Ya Know!! ..... considering the World Situation ... Islamic Terrorism, unpayable Public/Private Debt, Drugs, Crime, Iran, China, Abortion, Christendom dissolving ............ and, very likely ...soon, the sad fact that many/all here might be more concerned with "putting bread on the table" and defending themselves/theirs from "Barbarians from the East" .... perhaps it might be "Time" to concentrate on Clear & Present Dangers within, say, 50 miles of where you live and spend a lot less time & energy on matters of which you have limited knowledge, no control and will have NO impact on you/yours near term life... Survival .....and .....Salvation .....Eh!!??

GOD SAVE ALL HERE!!

 

Answer me this Joe... When the Pope was Elected.

Why did he refuse to wear the red shoes?

- The red shoes symbolize the Popes willingness to lead his people into martyrdom.

Why did he refuse to wear the red shoulder cape over white cassock?

- This has been worn by the Popes for over the last 1000 years. It symbolizes the Supremacy of the spiritual sphere over the temporal. Only the Pope can wear this as it also symbolizes Imperial Authority and Martyrdom. Its a highly symbolic act of the Pope assuming the full authority of his office. By Pope Francis refusing to accept the red coat its a symbolic denial of an aspect of Papal Authority.

Why did the Pope make a point of getting an Argentinian Passport after being elected in Rome?

- He is the Sovereign ruler of the Vatican State. This is a symbolic and actual denial of Papal Authority, and an act of submission to another state.

And More Recently...

Why did he tuck the cross away when he met with Rabbis in Israel on 05/26/2014?

- The Vicar of Christ should not be hiding the Cross.

Why did he accept and wear a sickle and hammer with the body of Our Lord on it?

- the errors of Russia being accepted by the Pope himself

Why did the Pope tell Confessors that they can absolve penitents who do not actually confess their sins?

- this goes against the council of Trent and is a sacrilege

Why did the Pope say that contraception could be an option in Serious Matters?

- He said condoms and contraceptives could be used to prevent pregnancy in light of the zika virus scare. This goes against Humanae Vitae, and every instance of the use of contraceptives is evil.

Why has Pope Francis given 10 invalid reasons for Annulment such as the Marriage broke up quickly?

Why is the Pope encouraging those living common law and remarried to take part in the Blessed Sacrament when clearly they are in mortal sin?



I recommend you listen to this from the start, but if your impatient start at 10 minutes in.

If it were only one or two things the Pope said that were controversial I might understand. But the Pope does it on a weekly basis, and the gross sum of his comments that are not in line with the CDF concern me greatly. Not to mention the fact that he refuses to clarify his statements. I did not even make a complete list of the controversial comments he has made so far. Perhaps I should do this.

 

I did and I am amazed at the knowledge of both Brian and Dolours. They bring up excellent points that I fact checked. The same points you have been unable to offer a rebuttal to.

 

You can't rebut that which you studiously avoid seeing.

 

Why does your posts entertain al...not only true but very wise

 

Hi Crew Dog

Here I am sitting in an Italian restaurant with traditional accordian playing and defending Papa. I have just had a look at a car with 730 horsepower that I took out out for a test drive. Now that's power.

It was red - cardinal red almost. The Cardinals are too old to handle that power. The Power in them is the real deal but how they deal with it depends on the state of their souls. Just like the fast car, if not properly maintained, it becomes a death trap.

We have always been taught that there can be no virtue without obedience. It astounds me how some members here confer more authority on themselves than Christ conferred on Peter.

My wee sister has sent me photos of her and her husband Jim climbing the hills of Scotland. They call them the Arrochar Alps. That's cause they love them. Just as I love Pope Francis and put him high above the poor opinion he suffers here on MOG.

The lowly hills of Scotland perhaps do not deserve the lofty title of Alps. In contrast The Church has seen fit to confer the highest earthly title on Francis: Vicar of Christ. Jim and Dot's soldier son used to climb with them. Now as I think you know CD, he is being sent to Iraq. In the hills they are closer to God and their son.

In a similar way as they have given their son to serve and protect so the heavenly Father has given his Son to free and save us from sin. The scriptures this Sunday ask what father would give a snake when his son asked for a fish. Why would our Heavenly Father put a snake in charge of the House of His Son. I put this question to Brian an Co, not to you, CD. You are OK.

I dread to think of the fate that awaits those who day after day bear destructive and false witbess across the world against this good man. There are moments that stand still for all time; all past, all present, all future. Such a moment is the insult to the dead body of Christ by the lance as it pierced his side.

Poor Mary must have thought "Not this too. You have already killed my Son. Why have you added this insult to the injuries you have caused. Enough is enough." But that was not to be. It is said that he received the wound but Mary felt the pain.

It is still not enough as they tear at the beard of the visible head and spit in his face calling him blasphemer and heretic just as they did to her Son.

Jesus first made Peter the first Holy Father of The Church. Jesus made Mary the first and forever Holy Mother of His Church. And here on the Mother of God forum the Very Word of God continues to be desecrated in the treatment of His successor, the one to whom power has been given to govern and who stands falsely accused of contradicting truth. Jesus said to his Apostles, "Receive ye the Holy Spirit" and yet some here contend that the Holy Spirit is not present to conclave as a new pope is elected.

Jesus was convicted on the basis of false witness. This is the cross that Francis has accepted. And with each step, from now on I fear it will become heavier and heavier as it digs deeper into his poor old shoulders and bruises his merciful face.

Only Padraig can stop the lace jabbing again and again. But will he. Only he knows. And God.

As CD suggested let us keep our eyes firmly on Christ and the will of God and do not allow our selves to be distracted by things beyond our control. I for one will take his advice and add a little more to my garage stock of tins and toilet paper.

I need to buy a couple more gas cannisters for the bbq. My stock will only last a few months , less if I share with needy neighbours but better than nothing to help survive with the last months of the present era.

When things are at their worst, in the very near future, and we look up to see something like two stars collide in the sky and we come to know for the first time the reality of our sin, how will those who have persecuted the Holy Fsther fare.

Not well, I fear, if they are even allowed to live long enough to experience The Warning which in itself will be a great act of Mercy. Perhaps because of the way they have failed to recognise the mercy of Francis they will fail to recognise the mercy of God. And by then,for them, it will be too late.

Again I quote CD. "God save all here."

 

I agree Brian just as some studiously avoid seeing the goodness of Pope Francis.

 

It took all of eleven days for Fr. Hans Kung to get a reply to his letter to the pope http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/new...etter-on-infallibility-debate-says-hans-kung/
Reading this interview that Fr. Kung gave to Der Spiegel, http://www.spiegel.de/international...ueng-on-death-and-church-reform-a-938501.html I suspect that the meeting between him an Pope Francis will be something of a mutual admiration session. Fr. Kung believes in Heaven but he doesn't believe in an eternal hell - another cleric who believes that nobody is condemned forever. He's not big on infallibility and sees it as an obstacle to Christian unity. We may well see a change in Church teaching on infallibility after the discussions between the Pope and Fr. Kung.

Fr. Kung disagrees with the Church ban on euthanasia, because God is too merciful to expect us to stick it out to the bitter end. He has arranged for one of his students who is also a priest to be with him at the end should he opt for euthanasia because priests are forbidden to give the last rites in such circumstances. He has all his options covered. Yes, he and the Pope should have a very amicable meeting. This man is still a priest, and the rest of us are being accused of committing mortal sin for disagreeing with the personal musings of the Pope and the fuzzy wording of one of his documents?

The theologians could wait forever to get a response from the College of Cardinals. Might have been better had they followed Fr. Kung's example and directed their letter to the Pope. Then again, Fr. Kung is a big fan of Amoris Laetitia, which probably helps overcome the hurdle of his open dissent to Church teaching on a number of issues.

 

Amazed that you could check all their points so quickly.