"Francis has been totally orthodox..can only be faulted by faulty reading"

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  1. Praetorian

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    It is very sad reading this thread :(
    It is also sad to see the "slowly boiling frog" in effect.

    Before the synods, just about everyone on the forum said there was no way that the Church would ever allow the civilly divorced and remarried without an annulment to receive Holy Communion.

    Now that it is actually happening and people are becoming accustomed to the idea many are supporting it.

    Can't everyone see the problem here?
    Come on people this is Catholicism 101.

    Very sad indeed :(
     
  2. janet Walton

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    Alberta Bishops of Canada.

    In a new document that cuts through the sophistries and mental gymnastics of those who wish to use Amoris Laetitia as an instrument to undermine Church teaching, the Alberta and Northwest Territory Bishops issued Guidelines For the Pastoral Accompaniment of Christ’s Faithful Who Are Divorced and Remarried Without a Decree of Nullity. It’s a brilliant and simple stroke of clarity. It embraces both the important vision of Pope Francis to become vessels of God’s mercy to our broken generation, while showing them the only path forward: the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

    Below, I link to the entire document, which is brief. However, I will quote the most lucid and critical passages, which should form a working document for colleges of bishops throughout the world.

    It may happen that, through media, friends, or family, couples have been led to understand that there has been a change in practice by the Church, such that now the reception of Holy Communion at Mass by persons who are divorced and civilly remarried is possible if they simply have a conversation with a priest. This view is erroneous. Couples who express it should be welcomed to meet with a priest so that they hear proposed anew “God’s plan [pertaining to marriage] in all its grandeur” (Amoris Laetitia, 307) and thus be helped to understand the correct path to follow toward full reconciliation with the Church.

    …The gentle and clear guidance of the pastor as he helps the couple to form a right conscience will assist them greatly to live in accordance with their objective situation. Should the tribunal process result in a declaration of nullity, they will understand the need to proceed toward the celebration of the Sacrament of Matrimony. In the case where the tribunal upholds the validity of the first union, obedience in faith to the indissolubility of marriage as revealed by Christ will make clear to them the actions that must follow. They are bound to live with the consequences of that truth as part of their witness to Christ and his teaching on marriage. This may be difficult. If, for example, they are unable to separate for the sake of the care of children, they will need to refrain from sexual intimacy and live in chastity “as brother and sister” (cf. Familiaris Consortio, 84). Such a firm resolution to live in accordance with the teaching of Christ, relying always on the help of his grace, opens to them the possibility of celebrating the sacrament of Penance, which in turn may lead to the reception of Holy Communion at Mass. —from Guidelines For the Pastoral Accompaniment of Christ’s Faithful Who Are Divorced and Remarried Without a Decree of Nullity, September 14, 2016, Feast of the Exaltation of the Holy Cross

    http://www.markmallett.com/blog/on-the-divorced-and-remarried/
     
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  3. BrianK

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    The Pharisees of Jesus' time defended divorce. Today the Pharisees defend Communion for those in irregular unions. And in a collossal act of projection and damnable hypocrisy, accuse those of defending the 2000 year teaching of Christ on the matter of being "Pharisaical."

    Get lost.

    http://motheofgod.com/threads/catholics-face-a-choice.9674/#post-145988
     
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  4. picadillo

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    Angela admits a big mistake, when will the pope and other catholic leaders admit they were dead wrong?





    September 19, 2016 4:29 pm

    Merkel admits she would turn back the clock on refugee policy
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    A contrite Angerla Merkel said 'we have learnt from history. Nobody, including me, wants a repeat of this situation'

    Angela Merkel on Monday admitted she would turn back the clock, if she could, on her refugee policy after her Christian Democrat party suffered a historic defeat in the Berlin regional elections.

    As she made a rare public expression of regret over her most contentious policy, the chancellor abandoned the calm self-confidence she has radiated since extending a fateful welcome last summer to thousands of mainly Middle Eastern refugees.

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    “If I could, I would rewind time by many, many years so that I could better prepare myself and the whole government and all those in positions of responsibility for the situation that caught us unprepared in the late summer of 2015,” Ms Merkel said.

    The chancellor also distanced herself from her phrase — “Wir schaffen das — we can do it” — which captured Germans’ belief last summer in their capacity to integrate the newly arrived refugees. She said it had become “a simple slogan, almost an empty formula” that underestimated the scale of the integration challenge.

    The admission was aimed at winning back voters who have flocked to the rightwing, populist Alternative for Germany party, which has made big inroads this year by criticising Ms Merkel’s open-door approach to refugees. She was also responding to the growing ranks of conservative critics in her ruling CDU/CSU bloc, who have urged her to complement recent moves to tighten refugee policy with a more self-critical tone.

    “The government has been on the right track with its policies for some time now. But our communication must be better,” said one CDU MP. “The chancellor seems now to have accepted this.”

    After months of resisting her critics, Ms Merkel was forced to change tack after the AfD grabbed 14.2 per cent of the vote in Sunday’s regional election. It took support from the conservative CDU, which fell to its lowest level in the capital, and from the Social Democrats, Ms Merkel’s coalition partner.

    It was the latest in a string of regional election successes that now leave the AfD well placed to become the first rightwing party in the German parliament since the second world war in next year’s Bundestag election. Earlier this month, the party stunned the CDU by beating it into third place in rural Mecklenburg Vorpommern,Ms Merkel’s home turf.

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    At a post-election press conference on Monday, Ms Merkel denied that it had been a mistake to offer such a warm welcome to refugees — a gesture that eventually helped attract more than 1m migrants to the country. She argued that the decision had been “absolutely right” but that it had come after years of ineffective responses to the continent’s migration challenges, with Germany and the EU leaving the Mediterranean countries to shoulder the burden.

    As a result, Germany “for a long time had insufficient control [of its borders]”, she said. “We have learnt from history. Nobody, including me, wants a repeat of this situation.”

    While some of her comments were nuanced — notably, her defence of keeping the country’s borders open last year — the message was widely accepted as a mea culpain Germany. “The chancellor confesses to mistakes in refugee policy,” said Bild, the top-selling newspaper in an online headline. “Merkel reaches her hand out to her critics,” said Spiegel, the news magazine.

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    Andreas Busch, politics professor at Göttingen University, said: “She has changed her language, that’s very wise.”

    Ms Merkel now has some breathing space before the next three regional elections in the spring, which will be a critical test before the autumn Bundestag vote. Still, she is under pressure to announce she will stand for the chancellorship for a fourth time, despite the discontent generated by her refugee policies. Ms Merkel is expected to declare her hand by the CDU’s annual conference in December.

    Some CDU sceptics would like her replaced but have so far struggled to put forward an alternative. One of the more frequently mentioned options is Wolfgang Schäuble, the finance minister who is one of Europe’s most powerful politicians. But at 74 he is considered too old to be more than a stopgap measure.

    The hawkish finance minister has backed Ms Merkel over refugees while subtly signalling support for tougher policies. He said in a television interview last week: “She cannot only take people’s concerns seriously but she must also find good answers.”

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